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Behavior Modification for Kindergarten...the teachers approach.

We had open house last night at my DS (NT) school and his teacher has noted what she does for behavior modification.  I kind of like it and want to get your thoughts on it.  So far she said the class has been great.  All the children have a "fish swimming in the fish pond".  If a child breaks a classroom rule their fish moves to the bridge-- the consequence is 5 min lost from recess.  If they break a second rule, they move to the grass-- consequence is no recess.  Children have teh ability to move back to the water if they show good behavior.  Comments, thought?  Thanks!

Re: Behavior Modification for Kindergarten...the teachers approach.

  • Please note that why I posted this here is because I do hav a SN child too and I love hearing all your advice so I figured to post about my NT child :)  Thanks!
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  • OP and Auntie, wow, this sounds like some thing I could relate to my DD, she does not do well with neg-consequences, but does much better with pos-re-enforcement. She has made it to 5th grade with some modifications and extra finess from her teacher. Her step mom is a teacher in our district so she is able to know which teacher will be a good match for DD and we request that particular person very early on. But to some degree despite all the modifications and extra tender care, we are still barely passing, if she is tested one on one with individual areas she is very smart but functioning daily in a classroom pulls her grades down tramendiously. She told us this year she wanted to switch to a "special" class, that even if no one there had her specific issues, they would all be different like her, this broke my heart, she said it is too difficult being the only "different" person in her class. We don't know if this is something that will help her socially but not accademically or if it would be great for her all around. Negative here is that in our small town, if she moves to these classes, working her back into a regular class later on is nearly impossible, we have struggled every year to prevent them from removing her from an open class room, she is smart and we want what is best for her education, just don't know what that is.

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  • I could see how this would be a good model for a typically developing child, but I know for my kindergarten son (Asperger syndrome) he would not benefit from it.

    Like Auntie mentioned, he really struggles when we try to use a consequence based discipline system.  We have made great strides in his behaviors since we started using a positive reinforcement system.  

    In his kindergarten class now, they use a green, yellow, red system.  If a child has one misbehavior, they flip the card to yellow and after two it flips to red.   Yesterday they had a surprise fire drill in the afternoon.  After the fire drill, he threw a pebble he found on the floor at a teacher instead of throwing it in the garbage like she asked.  At this point, I imagine he was in overload from the fire drill as 1) it was a surprise that he wasn't prepared for; and 2) he has pretty significant auditory sensory issues. 

    When we went over his daily note home last night, all he could talk about was that he was on yellow.  He was totally consumed by the negative consequence and not able to move on from that.  

    I am already in touch with his case manager to get the whole story and try talking about a more positive approach to discipline for him. (which is already written into his IEP, but I digress)

    Anyhow, I think having a visual is great, but often time I don't imagine this working for a kid on the spectrum and perhaps some typically developing children at the very least.  

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  • I should add, I am totally not condoning his behavior because he has ASD. Throwing a pebble and disobeying are still not OK in our book.  However, if he had a positive reinforcement plan (like he is supposed to) in place and was given a star for listening on the first request, he probably would have gone and thrown the pebble in the garbage. 
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  • Hmm, I think it has a positive component...like OP said, the child can earn their recess back for good behavior. I'm assuming the fish goes back in the pond when that happens...? In this case, I think it is a sound system....it provides a visual and lets kids know exactly where they stand with their behavior.

    My son's class does the traffic light approach. When you're on the green for however long, you get to pick something from a treasure box. However, if you slip into yellow and then red, you do get certain privileges taken away.

    DS likes it. He's visually oriented and he also likes to know where he stands. It's not overly distracting to him, but it does matter to him to be in the green, so it's a huge motivator for him.

  • So what happens when one misbehaves?
  • I agree with all your points for a child who is on spectrum.  All the children is DS class are NT (now for my SN son who is only 3, not sure how this would works as his class is intergrated) and they do not do this system right now as they are too young.  For my DS I see this working because he does well with positive behavior but works much better when something he cherishes in taken away and awarded back with good behavior.  I should note that his teacher does hand out little prizes every now and then for good behavior or the entire class gets a special treat.  I think I'm sticking wiht "I like this approach" for now anyway but thanks for all your feedback :)
  • My nephews teacher did something along the same lines last year (he has sever ADHD/OCD) but the entire class received the punishment based on the actions of an individual child. He was beat up one during recess and once after school by kids in his class. The teacher retired at the end of the year, thank goodness.
  • I am a Kindergarten teacher and I'd say that although it may seem like a good idea to remove recess for a child that is not behaving appropriately, I often feel that the children that have some behaviour issues need recess even more. Children need time to run off some of their energy, stretch and work their large muscle groups, and to interact with their peers in a supervised but not rigidly structured environment.
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    So what happens when one misbehaves?

    The same one person who would have sat with the child who lost 5 minutes or all of recess sits with the perp after those allowed to get "extra" recess have left.

    Most products of American-style negative consequences (that would be us) are so used to punishment they have trouble wrapping their minds around what positive discipline looks like.

    Ha, auntie....it's actually the Eastern-European style in my case....where we beat our kids to a pulp! Lol - no really....I guess I still don't understand what we do with kids who disrupt the class and don't listen, if we have no negative consequences. What does a positive discipline look like in that situation? Am I understanding it right that if the kids who behave nicely get more of the "good", then the kids who misbehave, see the rewards and get jealous and it motivates them to be good, so they get the same great rewards?

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