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Holy effing :::insert explicative here:::
I.could.not.even.imagine if I was this mother and this was my child
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/9/11 - 34:24 - 1st race evah!
Kelly Monaghan's 5K - 5/15/11 - 3rd Place in AG
Walk the Talk 5K - 5/18/11 - 31:12 PR
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/14/12 - 1st race of the year, 32:45
Kelly Monaghan's 5K - 5/15/11 - 3rd Place in AG
Walk the Talk 5K - 5/18/11 - 31:12 PR
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/14/12 - 1st race of the year, 32:45
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Re: Holy effing :::insert explicative here:::
No kidding.
The pets board be damned, if this happened in my house I'd get the gun myself. It'd break my heart, but there are no second chances after an event like that.
I agree to an extent. I wouldn't resort to putting the animal down if I didn't have to. Rehoming is a very viable option. I had a dog that bit my sons friend completely unprovoked. I don't have that dog anymore, he now lives at my Dad's house where there are no children and is locked up when my kids are there visiting. Nuh uh, no way, will any children be around that dog again.
Kelly Monaghan's 5K - 5/15/11 - 3rd Place in AG
Walk the Talk 5K - 5/18/11 - 31:12 PR
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/14/12 - 1st race of the year, 32:45
word on the street is that she runs the local rescue for that breed, and her dogs are well trained and well loved- and still it happened (I am NOT trying to say that anything she did or didn't do led to this- no way- I think it was a horrible and tragic accident.) BUT the idea that this dog shouldn't be put down immediately blows my mind! or that it is still alive and in the house!
Im sorry- but no way would you ever convince me that there is no way this dog could do it again to someone- anyone.
one chance to maul a child to the point of 50 stitches and teeth removed, and that is all it takes to label a dog a major threat.
I agree 100%
Think it through. You'd have to fully disclose to anyone considering taking the dog on what happened. Who in all reason would take a dog like that? Someone like the OP (who runs a shelter) or someone who is actually attracted to the notion that the dog has this history. Both are bad choices.
And what do you do with the dog in the interm while looking for another home?
Putting the dog down is the right thing to do. Putting it down yourself (taking it to the vet yourself) is the kind thing to do. Not easy. Right.
ETA: I have no issues with rehoming dogs overall. The last 4 dogs we had have either been rescues or from shelters. Great dogs. But this is different. Heartbreaking.
Flame me, but I am shocked (saw this earlier) that her DH was with the dog all day and broken up about it, as was she. Sorry he's a pet and should be with her DD not the dog.
I love dogs, and I'd be upset, but there is no question that my DDs come first to everyone and everything. That the dog is still in the house with the child blows my mind.
The whole idea of it makes my stomach turn and I just feel awful for that little girl!
I am very glad I am a cat person.
eta: She follows up somewhere that her parents and her in laws have offered to take the dog. In-laws have the son of the dog and they don't get along (son and biter dog) and her parents just want the dog away from their grand-daughter not sure why it wasn't out on the next train though...
Oh, don't get me wrong, if rehoming wasn't an option i.e. can't find a home willing to take the animal, you can bet your azz that I would be putting that dog down.
What blows my mind is that in follow up post people are referring to it as a "bite", it was a MAULING and worse, that dog is still in the same house as that poor child and the father has spent all day in the room with the DOG crying. WTH
Kelly Monaghan's 5K - 5/15/11 - 3rd Place in AG
Walk the Talk 5K - 5/18/11 - 31:12 PR
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/14/12 - 1st race of the year, 32:45
I have to hope that the dad is in the room crying because he knows he must face his own "Old Yeller" moment. I mean, if it's anything else...WTF?
HOW has the pets board not gotten ahold of this??
I was just wondering the same thing. Especially because the OP used to (still does?) post on there a lot. I went over to see what their thoughts are and was shocked that it wasn't even so much as mentioned on the board.
Kelly Monaghan's 5K - 5/15/11 - 3rd Place in AG
Walk the Talk 5K - 5/18/11 - 31:12 PR
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/14/12 - 1st race of the year, 32:45
They know. It's discussed (although not in depth) in a "what's new" post on their board. I think many are posting on 12-24 in Seastar's posts.
ahh...
I thought maybe they don't eat their own..
From the sidelines it's very easy for me to say that the dog would be out of my house that very minute, but in the heat of the moment I might be paralyzed on just how to handle it. Once the shock wore off you'd better believe that dog would be gone without a second thought, but I could see being so shocked that I would not react appropriately on the spot and in later days would shake my head at how I handled it.
Kelly Monaghan's 5K - 5/15/11 - 3rd Place in AG
Walk the Talk 5K - 5/18/11 - 31:12 PR
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/14/12 - 1st race of the year, 32:45
I understand from the original posts that the dog is a beloveded fur baby but seriously, SERIOUSLY why is that dog still there? I love my dog and I trust him as far as anyone can trust an animal but if he mauled my child I would have him removed from my home. 3 Teeth and 50 stitches is enough of wake up call that the dog can no longer be trusted.
I do not believe in killing a living creature (dog) for one instance of bad behavior. It is still a living creature, with a right to live.
That being said, any dog that did this to my child would NEVER have the opportunity to be around another child again...EVER. He would be re-homed to a place where children were NOT a factor and any new owner would be clearly warned about the incident.
In fact, I have SEVERAL friends/family members who are dog friendly homes (and many of them do not have children. Our dog passed away last month, but if this had ever happened with him, he wouldn't even be in my house when we returned from the ER, one of our friends would have come and got the dog so that DD wouldn't ever have to be exposed to him again.
It seems like her story may be MUD/a HUGE embellishment according to a few posters. I just find it odd that after her daughter was "mauled" that the dog wasn't taken by animal control? The dog is allowed to be quarantined in there house with the child for 10 days?
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Given that she's a former regular on the Pets board, I doubt that it's MUD, but IDK.
Anyway, I'm not sure why she posted this on the bump. What kind of reaction did she think she'd get? I can't say what I'd do in this situation, because it's always easy to say "I'd never" in either direction.
I would never judge her in this situation. I feel so horrible for all involved, including the dog. Yes, INCLUDING the dog! I have some experience that lends itself to my knowing what *I* would do in this situation -- but because of that experience, I also know that it would not be taken lightly. And would be a HUGE struggle for me. And I'm not sure I wouldn't be reacting EXACTLY the same way she is.
as far as rehoming goes, I just don't see how you can gaurantee that the dog will never do this to anyone ever again- I mean- a bite is one thing, but a straight up mauling?!
if the dog gets out- or decides to attack an adult (who's to say it only mauls children, and only when they bug it in its sleep- just because that was the first major instance?
with dangerous animals (timebomb with teeth, this one) there's really no excuse for just hoping it won't happen again.
I think rehoming is about as idealist (and about as non-realistic) as saying "let's never allow abortions again. Adoption for everyone!" I mean, in all seriousness, rehoming a dog that has bit is HARD, if not near impossible (in most cases). Sounds like she has two options available to her (her parents and his parents) so in this case, it might be a possibility. Of course, a possibility that comes with its own set of complications.
But yea, all this "just rehome it instead of kill it" talk has me rolling my eyes. If only it were that simple, right?!
I'd be willing to bet that rehoming is only a viable course of action in less than 5-10% cases of dog bites. I was fortunate that when my dog bit someone (and it was just a bite, that required no stitches, not a freaking mauling) he was out the door and fortunately my Dad was in a position to take him. That said, I'd bet my paycheck that she ends up keeping the dog, especially with this follow up post where she is already downgrading the incident and calling it a "bite". Yeah, 50 stitches and 3 lost teeth and it was only a "bite" SMH
Follow up here
Kelly Monaghan's 5K - 5/15/11 - 3rd Place in AG
Walk the Talk 5K - 5/18/11 - 31:12 PR
Ridley Run 3.1 - 4/14/12 - 1st race of the year, 32:45
I agree w/ Jodi.
The thing is, you're talking about a poster who, from what I understand, runs a dog rescue for the breed she has. I think she can be trusted to make the right decision.
Also, she has Vizslas right? One dog bite, no matter the harm =/= a mauling either. Obviously the damage from the bite is serious, but that does not make it a mauling. There's a huge difference.
I feel for her and her husband - I can't imagine. I cried when I read her OP, but I do not judge her at all for keeping her dog.
Annie has nipped at Jackson, and I would not be surprised if she bit one of the kids at some point. We do our best to keep it from happening, but she is an animal, and when she gets startled, she could bite. Sh*t happens and we do our best to avoid it.
I wonder if you'd think it reasonable to keep a dog who turned scarlett into scar face?
while I DO agree that if ANYONE could look out for that dog- it would probably be her- even SHE couldn't stop this from happening.
and she can't stop it from happening again if she keeps the dog. or if anyone does.
and what kind of life is the stupid thing going to have if its being contained militantly and kept away from the family at all times?
the dog has proven it can't be predictable, and in a home with humans who also are unpredictable, it just wouldn't be responsible to risk.
it's sad, though.
Don't know if anyone is still discussing this but here are my thoughts anyway.
Flame me to hell if you want but I am judging the heck out of her for still having the dog in her house. I don't buy her BS that it was one bite, one bite would not nearly have caused the damage she described. Also I suspect she has downplayed it for Animal control.
She runs a rescue (for weimeriners?). Most dogs given up for rescue have behavior issues. Who is to say this dog hasn't done this before? Why exactly was it a rescue dog?
And in the end it is a DOG. I love dogs, have had many as pets. They are not children, they are DOGS. In many countries in the world they are food. Sorry, in my world this dog would be gone. Most likely humanely put to sleep. Even with rehoming there is no way to be sure this wouldn't happen again.
I don't really disagree w/ a lot of what you wrote, EBB.
I also don't know what I'd do in that situation. My guess is we wouldn't keep the dog, but we also don't run a rescue for dogs. We love dogs, and love ours to a point of ridiculousness, but I don't consider myself an expert by any means. Nor do I have extensive experience training dogs. For us, I don't think it'd be reasonable to keep the dog.
Like I said, I don't think we'd keep a dog that did it. I don't think we're equipped to deal with it, and I'm not sure I could still care/love an animal that did that to my kids. I'm a dog lover, but I don't think I'm anywhere near that poster in terms of dog love.
I also think that the decision rests solely with them...because they are both the dog owner and the child's parent. I think the it's a bit trickier if you aren't the guardian of both b/c if your dog did that to someone else's child, there could be fallout and demands about putting the dog down.
But mostly, my point is - I think it's their decision and they are equipped to make that decision. If they keep the dog, I'm not going to judge. Would I do it? Probably not. I also think you have a good point about what kind of life the dog will have, which would weigh into my decision as well. I just think she's capable of making the decision and I don't think I will judge her decision in the end since I'm not feeling very judgy towards her right now.
FWIW - Last week, I had to put down my 17-year-old dog that I've had since high schools. She was always wonderful with the kids even when she was old and hurting and couldn't see or hear. She was just too sick and too old and it was time. I cried for hours. We still have our 7-year-old lab mix, who is wonderful with the kids. They have tea parties with him, tuck him in with their blankets, feed him, throw the ball for him (including DS) and walk him (with help). He's about 100 lbs and the sweetest dog ever. I'm not against dogs with kids and these kinds of accidents can happen out of the blue, but at the end of the day, you've got to do what's safest and right for your family. I adore our dog but if he ever even showed a hint of aggression towards the kids or anyone, he'd be out of our house faster than you can blink...and maybe then I'd have a chance at rehoming when we didn't before. I hope it never comes to that again and it killed me last time but I couldn't live with the what ifs... (and yes, i know life comes with a lot of what ifs and i don't pretend I can control or foresee all of them).
ciarrai - I think what you are describing and what happened here are two different things. And IMO, because of that difference, the end result would be different.
An aggressive dog that shows aggression from day one that has been through training and STILL shows aggression is completely different, IMO, than a normally well behaved, well trained dog that has never shown aggression and acts out once. I know I know -- not everyone agrees with that. But to me, it's like comparing someone who is a serial killer and has been mentally unstable their whole lives with someone who flips the eff out after seeing their husband cheating on them and stabs them and kills them in the heat of the moment. Apples and oranges. And while I'm not sure I would put the dog down in this situation, I WOULD put the dog down in the situation you described.