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lacideshae51 · September 2011

This is completely my opinion and I understand if you don';t agree but I can't stand when people put their newborn in a carseat without the base. I just feel like the base is so much more safe. I feel like the carseat can move too much with just the seatbelt around it. It seriously pisses me off! Ok I'm done!

Hindermeier · September 2011

i agree with you.

That is totally irresponsible. In Ontario, i'm pretty sure its illegal to do this...

lacideshae51 · September 2011

uggh i wish it was. again just my opinion. the only people iknow that do it here are young inexperienced moms. and im only 21 this is my frist child but ive been around babies my whole life so ive always seen people with bases. i jokingly told my cousin"just use the carseat without the base" one time and she almost beat me up for even suggesting it! we dont go anywhere without our bases i even got my mom one for when my son gets here!

Muffin0 · September 2011

I agree that it feels safer, but as long as you lock off the seat belt (pull it all the way out and then when it retracts get it as tight as possible) it really can be a safe install.

We had to do it a few times. H's old car (1999 infiniti) didn't have LATCH. We got a tighter install with just the seat than we did with the base using the seat belt.

3rdCopelandBaby · September 2011

I agree. I also want to share a situation about a young inexperienced girl (SIL). She was in an accident a couple weeks ago and had her 5 month old baby in the back. The impact was bad enough that it crushed one side of the vehicle, and everyone was taken to the er for precautions and to check out the baby. After being told to dispose of the carseat (that was given to her, God forbid her buy anything for her own child) to this day she still uses it. I told her yesterday to trash it and buy another one because its not safe now and she refuses.

Also, her wrecked car is in the shop and she left the base in it. So shes using just the carrier part without the base, and put the baby in the back seat of a rental car they are using. She, once again had to slam on the brakes for some reason (last week) and the baby (in the carseat) flew to the front of the vehicle between the 2 front seats! I was pissed when I heard MIL tell us this....and of course they think it was just an accident and *** happens....laugh it off kinda deal! Umm NO! How many times does that baby have to be thrown around a vehicle due to irresponsibility???

Ugh, my kids will never (have never thank God!) go with my ILs! Ever.

Muffin0 · September 2011

3rdCopelandBaby:
I agree. I also want to share a situation about a young inexperienced girl (SIL). She was in an accident a couple weeks ago and had her 5 month old baby in the back. The impact was bad enough that it crushed one side of the vehicle, and everyone was taken to the er for precautions and to check out the baby. After being told to dispose of the carseat (that was given to her, God forbid her buy anything for her own child) to this day she still uses it. I told her yesterday to trash it and buy another one because its not safe now and she refuses.
Insurance should cover a new one.

Also, her wrecked car is in the shop and she left the base in it. So shes using just the carrier part without the base, and put the baby in the back seat of a rental car they are using. She, once again had to slam on the brakes for some reason (last week) and the baby (in the carseat) flew to the front of the vehicle between the 2 front seats! I was pissed when I heard MIL tell us this....and of course they think it was just an accident and *** happens....laugh it off kinda deal! Umm NO! How many times does that baby have to be thrown around a vehicle due to irresponsibility???
She obviously didn't have the car seat strapped in correctly (if at all) Her having to slam on the breaks has nothing to do with the previous accident.
I think it's stupid to not replace the car seat (we're on seat number five for DD - thanks to stupid people rear ending me and upgrading from a infant seat to a convertible. But I have never replaced the car seat that day, and have had to use a "busted" seat for a day or two until I was able to get to the store/order a new one.

But unless the seat was broken it shouldn't have flown through the car ONLY because the base wasn't used. Infant seats have the little hooks that the seat belt feeds through and it should have stopped the seat from flying.
Like I said I think it's stupid she's not replacing the seat, and it sucks that she is super irresponsible with her child. Not using the base is not the problem here. It's her not installing it correctly.

Ugh, my kids will never (have never thank God!) go with my ILs! Ever.

JhawkCE · September 2011

You may "feel" like it's not as safe, but you would be wrong and there is no evidence supporting your argument. The latch system and the base are there for convenience sake not for safety.

I am in a family of trama surgeons and engineers (including my husband and myself). We have all studied the literature and if you install the car seat correctly (EVERY TIME), the base does not make for a safer installation.

When I travel (and I do frequently) I leave the base at home. I install the car seat per the manufacturer's recommendations in a car with the appropriate restraint system. It takes some muscle and if you are not strong enough to do this on your own I can see how you would be concerned, but there is NO valid evidence to suggest that one way is more correct or safe than the other if they are both installed correctly. They would not be able to sell it or provide installation instructions for both if one were more were more safe or if one did not meet safety standards.

It is more difficult and time consuming without the base, but it is no less safe.

JhawkCE · September 2011

3rdCopelandBaby:
I agree. I also want to share a situation about a young inexperienced girl (SIL). She was in an accident a couple weeks ago and had her 5 month old baby in the back. The impact was bad enough that it crushed one side of the vehicle, and everyone was taken to the er for precautions and to check out the baby. After being told to dispose of the carseat (that was given to her, God forbid her buy anything for her own child) to this day she still uses it. I told her yesterday to trash it and buy another one because its not safe now and she refuses.

Also, her wrecked car is in the shop and she left the base in it. So shes using just the carrier part without the base, and put the baby in the back seat of a rental car they are using. She, once again had to slam on the brakes for some reason (last week) and the baby (in the carseat) flew to the front of the vehicle between the 2 front seats! I was pissed when I heard MIL tell us this....and of course they think it was just an accident and *** happens....laugh it off kinda deal! Umm NO! How many times does that baby have to be thrown around a vehicle due to irresponsibility???

Ugh, my kids will never (have never thank God!) go with my ILs! Ever.

She obviously didn't install it correctly. This also happens if you have a base and you don't connect the car seat to the base correctly.

Muffin0 · September 2011

JhawkCE:
You may "feel" like it's not as safe, but you would be wrong and there is no evidence supporting your argument. The latch system and the base are there for convenience sake not for safety.
I am in a family of trama surgeons and engineers (including my husband and myself). We have all studied the literature and if you install the car seat correctly (EVERY TIME), the base does not make for a safer installation.
When I travel (and I do frequently) I leave the base at home. I install the car seat per the manufacturer's recommendations in a car with the appropriate restraint system. It takes some muscle and if you are not strong enough to do this on your own I can see how you would be concerned, but there is NO valid evidence to suggest that one way is more correct or safe than the other if they are both installed correctly. They would not be able to sell it or provide installation instructions for both if one were more were more safe or if one did not meet safety standards.
It is more difficult and time consuming without the base, but it is no less safe.

*claps*

You said it a lot better than I did.

StephCripps · September 2011

Really??

I can't see someone really doing that...

i mean isn't all the safety stuff in the base anyways?

JhawkCE · September 2011

StephCripps:
Really??

I can't see someone really doing that...

i mean isn't all the safety stuff in the base anyways?

No, not all car seats need a base to be safely installed. If your car seat instructions tell you that it can not be installed without the base then yes, you need the base. Most are capable of, and have instructions for, safely installing the seat without the base. Those seats meet or exceed all federal safety standards either way if installed correctly.

TwinCitiesGirl · September 2011

JhawkCE:

You may "feel" like it's not as safe, but you would be wrong and there is no evidence supporting your argument. The latch system and the base are there for convenience sake not for safety.

I am in a family of trama surgeons and engineers (including my husband and myself). We have all studied the literature and if you install the car seat correctly (EVERY TIME), the base does not make for a safer installation.

When I travel (and I do frequently) I leave the base at home. I install the car seat per the manufacturer's recommendations in a car with the appropriate restraint system. It takes some muscle and if you are not strong enough to do this on your own I can see how you would be concerned, but there is NO valid evidence to suggest that one way is more correct or safe than the other if they are both installed correctly. They would not be able to sell it or provide installation instructions for both if one were more were more safe or if one did not meet safety standards.

It is more difficult and time consuming without the base, but it is no less safe.

Well said. There is a REASON that they have manufacturer instructions on how to install without the base.

We have multiple bases for convenience, not safety.

Waiting4myJulyBaby · September 2011

I've used my son's infant seat several times without the base, when we travel and in other people's cars- including my husbands. I feel that it actually feels just as if not more secure then when using the base. I'm sure it's easy to feel like you're an expert on things before you actually have a child but I'm sure your opinions on things will change.

3rdCopelandBaby · September 2011

I agree with you, I know she didnt have him strapped in the second time. I didnt mean that it was because of her not using the base. I just meant her stupidity caused her child to get tossed to the front.

thumperbrat2669 · September 2011

The way my seats were in my 2 previous cars, I would have to put a towel under the base for it to sit correctly. Before my DS was even born I took the car and car seat (carrier and base) to the PD and they told me to just put the base in the seat and strap it in. This was safer for my DS then the angel the base would have put the car seat at. I will have to do the same with this DC. The andel of the back seat will not allow it to sit correctly without harming the DC.

lacideshae51 · September 2011

i can totally understand doing it without the base on certain occasians and if you know how to do it correctly by all means do it how u feel is safest but the few times i have seen it down it wasnt very tight and u could completely move the carseat around. that is the thing that bothers me. and i by no means think im an expert i just obviously know more than some of those girls. theyre just dumb in general. its mainly 2 girls im talking about and theyre both just idiots to begin with lol

nekillo · September 2011

JhawkCE:
You may "feel" like it's not as safe, but you would be wrong and there is no evidence supporting your argument. The latch system and the base are there for convenience sake not for safety.
I am in a family of trama surgeons and engineers (including my husband and myself). We have all studied the literature and if you install the car seat correctly (EVERY TIME), the base does not make for a safer installation.
When I travel (and I do frequently) I leave the base at home. I install the car seat per the manufacturer's recommendations in a car with the appropriate restraint system. It takes some muscle and if you are not strong enough to do this on your own I can see how you would be concerned, but there is NO valid evidence to suggest that one way is more correct or safe than the other if they are both installed correctly. They would not be able to sell it or provide installation instructions for both if one were more were more safe or if one did not meet safety standards.
It is more difficult and time consuming without the base, but it is no less safe.

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