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May 2011 Moms
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Anyone going to CIO at 4 months?
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We are having to do "fuss it out" since we are doing away with the swaddle and trying not to jump up and replace the paci every time it falls out. It's so hard! We are only doing five minutes, then going in, five minutes again...but she always falls asleep in the second five minutes anyway. I hope I don't have to do any serious CIO, ever. It will break my heart.
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Re: Anyone going to CIO at 4 months?
DS1 Born Apr 29 2011
DS2 Born Nov 5 2013
Pregnant with #3 Dec 24 2014, MMC found at 10w, D&C Feb 10th 2015
Cautious BFP May 25th 2015 EDD Feb 6 2016
Oh my gosh, I don't know how I would manage with two. You deserve a medal.
I'm not sure what we're going to do. I want B to start being able to sooth himself to sleep, but I'm not sure it'll look like CIO. He's starting to self sooth with naps (but still in the swing) so he's making a bit of progress. I wonder if I just wait until five months if he'll be more prepared or capable of putting himself down, or if we should start a similar 'fuss it out' thing now.
He's only getting up once a night, which I'm ok with, so we wouldn't do it for STTN reasons.
I just don't think fuss it out will work well.. he's very used being rocked to sleep at night, until he's dead weight.
So in short, I'm a scaredy cat, and I don't know
We also will be getting rid of the swaddle in the next few weeks. B is VERY close to rolling back to tummy.
ETA: DH is very on board with CIO. He does bedtime every night and is tired of putting in 45 minutes min. each night. I would much rather try fussing it out, or a much more modified version of CIO.
We are talking about it.
DD HATES to sleep on her back. I mean literally wakes up within 5 minutes of laying her down every.single.time. Unless she's in our bed. So DH and I use half the bed and she gets the other half. We won't let her sleep on her tummy until she can roll back to belly. She just turned 4 months old on Monday, and we've considered letting her CIO to sleep in her own bed, but figure once she gets to sleep after crying she'll just wake herself up like always and I'm not sure I can handle letting her CIO pretty much all night long. We'll probably just wait until she can roll (hopefully any day) to move her to her own bed. At that point, if we have to let her CIO, we will, but I think sleeping on her belly will fix it all.
Canuck - we're not doing it for STTN since she only wakes up once or twice, if she wakes up at all. It's solely to get rid of the swaddle. She puts herself to sleep for both naps and bedtime, I think that's super important (for me and DH). I do love rocking her, but she actually won't fall asleep now until she's in her bed. With her newfound freedom of rolling over and no swaddle, it's taking her some fussing, which she didn't used to do. I'm hoping it will only last a few nights.
Even with Dr. Ferber's CIO, it starts at only 5 minutes, which I am OK with....I think! I'm hoping we don't have to get to the wailing and crying, but I'm sure most parents have to do it at some point.
I think at four months, our LOs are definitely capable of putting themselves down, but if they are not in the habit of doing it, it will take some kind of sleep training. I don't think we can magically expect four months, five months, or six months, to be a magical moment when we can just put them down and they put themselves to sleep. Just my opinion though.
The good thing is, I've heard it only takes 3-4 nights for the "I'm freeeee!" to sink in and they'll start sleeping better.
I guess I am the minority that never swaddled my LO. Lately though, he has learned to roll from back to tummy. When he does this, he wakes himself up until I roll him to his side. Ugh.
I do let him fuss it out. Once he starts actually crying, I pick him up.
I am thinking about trying Pickup/Putdown soon.
I would let him be on his tummy...he'll adjust over time. My LO hated her belly for about 3-4 days/nights. Some fussing combined with PU/PD and now she's a happy tummy sleeper.
This is exactly what my pedi said yesterday. She said that LO might even learn to roll tummy to back faster if she's just left there to fuss a bit. Her exact words were, "I'll be she will learn to flip herself right back over since she hates it so much!"
Should have saved myself the phone call and just emailed LisaFrank.
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The last few mornings, I guess I've been doing an unintentional "fuss it out". We hit the 4 month wakeful hard (well, it hit us, I guess) and I've been so tired when DS fusses in the morning that instead of jumping right up I doze off a little after looking at him (he sleeps in his swing in our room). Normally his crying would wake me up, but instead of crying he's been falling asleep himself for an additional hour. It felt like 5 minutes to me, but then I checked the clock and realized what had happened!
We're going to try to transition him to his crib soon, and it's nice to know that he's getting to a point where he's learning how to settle himself a little.
How's it going Iris? What method are you using?
Yes. It seems to just get my LO fired up when I put her back down. Just leaving her in her bed and patting, talking softly to her worked better for us.
I don't know if it is CIO if DS2 is really not crazy crying but basically, I've stopped going in. He cries on and off for 5, 10 or maybe 20 minutes. Sometimes, he does crazy crying and just as I'm heading up the stairs, he stops. Anyway, the point is just don't go in. I personally think that going in every 5 minutes or doing pick up put down makes it worse and more confusing for them (they don't understand why you keep coming and going) and keeps the fussing going. In Healthy Sleep Habits they seemed to have convinced me that if I go in at a certain time DS2 will become conditioned to crying/fussing that amount of time so now, I just don't go in but have gotten lucky in that he rarely fusses or cries. After doing this for 3 days, he now just sucks his finger and talks to himself and then falls asleep. It has been glorious.
I was over the long drawn out bouncing on the ball to put him to sleep hence the whole sleep training.
This is how it is for us as well.
BFP #1 9/7/10, EDD 5/14/11, Violet born 5/27/11.
BFP #2 4/9/12, EDD 12/16/12, M/C Rory 4/24/12.
BFP #3 10/6/12, EDD 6/16/12., Matilda born 6/17/13.
If anything I would do it for naps, more than bedtime.
She has no probably putting herself to sleep in the crib (we rarely swaddled her). Usually she cuddles her lamb for about 5-10 minutes before she falls asleep. In the middle of the night, she may wake up once or twice for the pacifier, but if you put it back in, she falls asleep instantly until about 6:30am.
Naps are a COMPLETELY different story--the problem is that during the week there are 3 different people watching her--my mom, my MIL and my husband. Plus me on the weekends, so consistency is going to be hard.
But honestly I would rather her be a good night time sleeper, than worry about how her naps go during the day.
This is so true for a lot of babies. My DS needed the consoling. He was a rage crier. LOL I'd leave the room and he would freak, so PU/PD worked for him.
My DD? I'm finding it doesn't work at all for her. She gets more worked up, and more alert by my presence. It doesn't calm her. She's a lot like your DS. She will fuss, I'll get up, make a bottle, walk up the stairs and then....quiet. So, we stopped going in to her in the last week. I also turned the monitor off in the MOTN because she's right next door. I can hear her if she's rage crying, and I don't need to hear her random wimpers/rearrangements through the monitor.
So, to go along with this, read your baby. If they are better fussing it out on their own, let them. Maybe do a shsssshhh pat for a second and leave the room? If neither help, let them be.
And know, this too shall pass. 
My daughter has my husband wrapped around his finger. we tried the crib again tonight and let her talk/fuss by herself and he lasted about 20 minutes and had to gopick herup/rock her,dance with her.. and now she is sitting in her swing staring at us. I WANT TO SLEEEP. haha.
Yeah, I'm not sure what will work for my baby. Unfortunately he's a crier. He can go rage cry for 20 full minutes in the car - so I think he's going to need some consoling. Otherwise I could see him crying at bedtime for hours, and I'm not prepared to do that. But the times I've tried just rubbing his hair and shushing him for naps hasnt' worked either. Ugh.
We decided on Dr. Ferber's "progressive waiting" for us. Not going in at all might work for some, and it may even work for my LO, but *I* cannot do it. I can't stand to hear her cry without trying to at least go in and comfort her. It's just what we decided would work best for us...and what I could handle.
Tonight is DH's night for duty. She did less than five minutes of fussing and fell back asleep when she woke up. If she's this good for both of his nights and then a mess on Sunday I am going to be pissed!
Good luck everyone, can't wait to hear how it goes.
Thanks hun. Things have improved but I am still having issues with the early morning, like 3 am on. I hope he starts sleeping better, it's killing me!