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Anyone have an article on why BabyBjorn/forward facing is bad?
Thanks. I have a FB friend who is constantly posting pics of her baby ff in a baby bjorn and I want to give her some good info.
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Re: Anyone have an article on why BabyBjorn/forward facing is bad?
thread with links: https://community.babycenter.com/post/a22506897/need_reasons_crotch_danglers_are_bad
not so much why the bjorn is bad, but why other carriers are better: https://www.becomingmamas.com/why-you-should-avoid-crotch-dangler-baby-carriers/
Here's the thread that turned into a hot mess. There are several link there: https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/56607709.aspx
ETA: I dug the linkies out.
https://www.storchenwiege.com/babycarrierresearch.htm
https://www.sleepywrap.com/2008/11/spine-development-in-an-infant/
https://www.sleepywrap.com/2008/11/the-fetal-tuck/
https://www.sleepywrap.com/2008/11/harmful-hollow-back-position-due-to-lack-of-leg-support-in-carriers/
https://www.sleepywrap.com/2008/11/flexed-abducted-seated-straddling-position-supports-legs/
https://www.babywearingschool.com/drkirkilionis.htm
https://ergoparent.com/2011/02/the-beginning/
https://didymos.com/index.php?s=nachvorn
https://www.didymos.com/index.php?s=sah&t=babys%20anatomieSorry, there's no legitimate scientific research that says the bjorn is bad. Dont believe the hype that other baby carrier manufactorers are trying to push to bring down the most mainstream name in carriers.
It's like an exersaucer. If you leave your kid in it for 12 hours a day, is it probably bad for them? Sure. Is it dangerous if you use an exersaucer for short intervals everyday? No. Same logic with the bjorn. If it were so dangerous, it wouldnt have been on the market for 40+ years and you'd hear of lawsuits left and right. It's a product that has popularity worldwide.
Any study that says that position is harmful are from cultures where they babywear all day everyday. Taking your kid for a half hour walk in a bjorn isnt going to cause permanent damage to their back, promise. The children's hospitals/doctors that support it state that the bjorn is ergonomic so the weight is distributed throughout their body.
I'd only butt in if someone were doing something that could actually harm their kid, like not using a carseat properly.
yup. Unless she asked for your opinion, do not bombard her with a bunch of links. You don't get to critique others' parenting unless there is an actual danger, which this is not.
Maybe post it in your own status as a link, saying something like "This is interesting." (not directing it to her.) I personally had never heard about any possible concerns with ff-ing & Bjorns until my last child. I didn't wear the older ones very often, so I'm sure there were no issues. But I do wish I had known like I do now with my youngest.
Just a thought.
Seriously people, as much as you all hate to be judged, you need to stop judging others. Unless you see her doing something dangerous like wearing an infant in a bag sling, or using a carrier the wrong way like forward facing in an ergo, you need to myob. She is using a Baby Bjorn the way it is intended to be used. You may not like that carrier, but that doesn't give you the right to send her crap.
It seems like these kinds of posts are becoming a regular occurance around here...
I don't think this is about judging or not judging. It's about offering unsolicited advice, which is usually a pretty bad idea.
I hope that the OP knows her friend's personality, that they have a close relationship and that she feels confident that the information will be well-received. Otherwise she'll risk annoying (or offending) her friend and coming off as a know-it-all.
I don't think it would ever be taken well, especially when you'e pushing something that's a personal opinion, not something backed by legitimate scientific research.
Message received. We get it! You are not convinced by he "evidence." Enjoy your Bjorn. Lots of people do.
Other people, however, have decided that there are other SSCs that are a better fit for their needs...for whatever reason. Among those reasons may or may not be the "research" (albeit not rock-solid, legitimate, scientific research). Even before I'd read any of that "research," I'd decided that I was much happier seeing my DD seated in an Olives & Applesauce than dangling from a Bjorn.
Nobody's gonna come to your home & try to take your Bjorn away. Here's my experience with teaching: I've helped lots of mothers with Bjorns..w/o bad-mouthing the product. However, as soon as someone says that it's uncomfortable for them or that their baby seems not to like it, I'll discuss other options...WITHOUT getting into the "research" (believe it or not).
So I don't think that's a carrier issue. It's a safety issue.
I've seen people use RSs improperly, too. Instead of the kiddo being seated in a deep pouch with the fabric spread from knee to knee, the kiddo is dangling with a bit of fabric under his butt. The kiddos are a squirm or wiggle away from slipping out.
Again, some people still feel compelled not to butt in even when there's a safety issue. Some people feel obligated to speak up.
I certainly NEVER go around telling people that their Bjorn is inherently unsafe. I do feel conflicted about speaking up when a specific situation looks unsafe...regardless of the type of carrier. I once saw a lady w/her kiddo in a bag sling (the type that's been recalled) & felt like I had to say something.
That's great that lots of people think other carriers are better than the bjorn. I don't.
I'm simply speaking of the OPs circumstance. She wants to send this "evidence" to her friend to tell her not to use the product anymore. It's stupid in this scenario and is not going to be well received. If her friend specifically asked for her advice, your links/suggestions would be great. But no one wants fake science to try to talk them out of doing something.
That's great you think you're a superb mom because your kid doesnt "dangle" in a bjorn. Do you have the ability to make a post without a dig at the bjorn? You always say "oh, it's great for people who like it", but then there has to be some little dig somewhere in your post. Quit with the passive aggressive, please. I could never take anything you say seriously because your approach is so irritating. The funny part is I end up agreeing with 90% of what you say, but then you just lose me with those little comment of yours. I hope you're not like this with the people you teach. It makes you come across very smug and condescending.
I know that was probably not your intent-that's kind of why I called you out on it. And I wasnt quoting you on this post because of your previous comments on the bjorn, I just thought you gave bad advice on this post, which you agreed.
There's something interesting I found in your post, which was your "language on this board is a little stronger because most people who post know what they're doing already." Are you assuming that because I choose the bjorn that I am unknowledgable about babywearing and other carriers? The truth of the matter is I am not. I chose to babywear before my first was even born. I got a hand me down ring sling from a friend to borrow. I had an awful time with it-I found it uncomfortable for my back (and I have back problems) and my son fussed like a madman in it. I went to a babywearing class to see if I was doing something wrong. I wasn't-it just wasnt a good fit. I did try some other carriers-I disliked the moby. I would have LOVED a beco/ergo if I could have found one at an affordable price. The ones I found online/on CL used weren't that much off the original price.
When I went to buy the bjorn, I was stuck between a mei tei and the bjorn. I was intending on buying the mei tei and tried it on first. I liked it just fine, but then DH tried it on. He hated it. He also wanted to be involved in babywearing, so I consulted him. We both tried on the bjorn and instantly loved it.
I know it's probably difficult to believe, but there are people who have tried/used other carriers but prefer the bjorn. Perhaps we are comparing apples to oranges though, since I use the upgraded model with the additional lumbar support, not the original.
Got it.
Goes to show how things on the internet are so easily misconstrued, though. Thanks for the explanation.
Ahhh the fabled Bjorn thread. A principle reason I don't visit this board often, despite following many AP principles. There is no scientific or medical evidence that the Bjorn is bad. There just isn't. There is that one link to a chiro, with no supporing evidence at all, and a billion AP posts here and elsewhere about OH NOES it's a crotch dangler!!!
Not all babies like Mobies. Not all babies like to face inward. Sam loved the shiz out of his Bjorn, and somehow miraculously doesn't have permanent damage from it.
Ugh, there is way too much group think going on here, and not nearly enough room for "huh, it works for them but not for me, that's cool."
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