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Am I Doing the Right Thing?

DS is taking swim lessons. He used to love them, but lately not so much. The last two classes, he started to say "done" 10 min into the lesson. When he said done, I handed him to DH (out of the pool), but I stayed in the water, laughing and splashing with BIL and my nephew. A few minutes later, we asked if he wanted back in. When his feet hit the water, he said "no no no" so I let him sit out the rest of the lesson. The swim instructor seemed peeved that I didn't make him stay in the pool. My thinking was that if I forced him, he may develop a distaste - or even phobia - of the water. I want it to be a fun experience and want him to feel in control, meaning he can end it when he wants. I do eventually want him to go back to doing full lessons but I'm willing to be patient. I didn't get out with him and when he cried for me, DH said, "Mommy is in the pool. Do you want to swim with Mommy?" instead of me getting out. We want him to learn that his choices affect him and he cannot expect others to change what they're doing for him. WDYT of the choices I made? Was letting him out right? Was me staying in right? He's 15 mo, BTW.
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Re: Am I Doing the Right Thing?

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    It sounds reasonable to me, and you're showing him that just because he's done swimming, you aren't going to stop having fun because he's finished.  If I were the instructor I'd be more pissed if a mom was forcing her screaming kid to stay in the water than if she let him out.

    Sorry guy, not every kid is going to be completely enthralled by your lesson.   

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  • imageBFab11:

    It sounds reasonable to me, and you're showing him that just because he's done swimming, you aren't going to stop having fun because he's finished.  If I were the instructor I'd be more pissed if a mom was forcing her screaming kid to stay in the water than if she let him out.

    Sorry guy, not every kid is going to be completely enthralled by your lesson.   

    I agree totally!
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  • I think you are doing the right thing.

    Our swim instructors always seemed miffed that I wouldn't push DS1 harder.  For toddlers, I just don't see the need to do anything more than what they want.  When DS1 was 3, he started approaching any water, he had never made enough progress in the years of swimming to make me feel comfortable and I needed him to be water safe (if he showed an overall aversion, I wouldn't have been as forceful, but since he was water curious, and we have a pool, he needed to be water safe), so I enrolled him in pretty much a swimming boot camp for 2 weeks.  After that I was comfortable he could swim if he had to (go under, come up, swim to the side, etc.) and I didn't make him do any more than he wanted.  This summer he turned 5 and he has fully embraced going under, jumping in, etc.  So he is pretty much a fish now and loves the pool.  If we pushed him more early on maybe he would have been swimming like a fish sooner, idk, but his pace was fine with me and maybe pushing him sooner would have led to a fear of the water, idk.

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  • I agree with pp's - you're doing the right thing. When we were meeting with a psychologist about Ari's stranger anxiety, he was very clear that trying to push can really backfire. Gentle encouragement is okay, but insisting he stick with the whole lesson isn't really necessary. He's 15 months - what's the coach thinking?
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    imageBFab11:

    It sounds reasonable to me, and you're showing him that just because he's done swimming, you aren't going to stop having fun because he's finished.  If I were the instructor I'd be more pissed if a mom was forcing her screaming kid to stay in the water than if she let him out.

    Sorry guy, not every kid is going to be completely enthralled by your lesson.   

    I agree totally!
    I do too!
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  • I think your approach is great. Don't worry about the coach. 
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  • I pretty much agree with PP that you shouldn't worry about the coach and this sounds like you are doing the right thing showing him that you are still having fun in the pool, but this got me thinking to a similar situation with DD (and they are almost same age): When we eat dinner together she sometimes 'signs' done (by pulling her bib and saying ahh) very shortly into dinner. She has not eaten much and DH and I are still eating so I say 'no, eat a bit more'. Sometimes it goes well with her just picking at the food a bit longer or playing with her spoon, but other times she gets a fit. I am trying to find the fine line between making sure she does what she is supposed to and has freedom to do what she wants. What I am trying to say is that it depends on the activity and situation and sometimes it is important to try to convince (I don't want to use the word push) the child to continue an activity. I think as they get older they will be more commanding with the parents and we need to set limits early. Anyway, this is not a critique of your reaction, I think swimming is different from eating, but it did get me thinking :-)
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  • imageBFab11:

    It sounds reasonable to me, and you're showing him that just because he's done swimming, you aren't going to stop having fun because he's finished.  If I were the instructor I'd be more pissed if a mom was forcing her screaming kid to stay in the water than if she let him out.

    Sorry guy, not every kid is going to be completely enthralled by your lesson.   

    This made me giggle because sometimes I think the "lesson" is a bit lax. It often seems like the instructor is, forgive the pun, "treading water" until it's over.
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    I think you are doing the right thing.

    Our swim instructors always seemed miffed that I wouldn't push DS1 harder.  For toddlers, I just don't see the need to do anything more than what they want.  When DS1 was 3, he started approaching any water, he had never made enough progress in the years of swimming to make me feel comfortable and I needed him to be water safe (if he showed an overall aversion, I wouldn't have been as forceful, but since he was water curious, and we have a pool, he needed to be water safe), so I enrolled him in pretty much a swimming boot camp for 2 weeks.  After that I was comfortable he could swim if he had to (go under, come up, swim to the side, etc.) and I didn't make him do any more than he wanted.  This summer he turned 5 and he has fully embraced going under, jumping in, etc.  So he is pretty much a fish now and loves the pool.  If we pushed him more early on maybe he would have been swimming like a fish sooner, idk, but his pace was fine with me and maybe pushing him sooner would have led to a fear of the water, idk.

    Oh wow. DS's class goes up to 2yo and we aren't doing anything close to that. I can't wait for summer pool parties and canon balls and diving for quarters. I love to swim and hope DS does, too!
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  • At his age I think your approach is perfect.  I wouldn't worry about the coach. 

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    I agree with pp's - you're doing the right thing. When we were meeting with a psychologist about Ari's stranger anxiety, he was very clear that trying to push can really backfire. Gentle encouragement is okay, but insisting he stick with the whole lesson isn't really necessary. He's 15 months - what's the coach thinking?
    This is what I was thinking. In Positive Discipline, Nelsen asks "why would we think we could make kids do better by making them feel worse?". This sounds like an applicable philosophy in both of our situations.
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  • imageamatistajoy:
    I think your approach is great. Don't worry about the coach. 
    Thanks. :) Plus, I'm the one paying, so the instructor shouldn't care, right?
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  • imageLouiseB2001:
    I pretty much agree with PP that you shouldn't worry about the coach and this sounds like you are doing the right thing showing him that you are still having fun in the pool, but this got me thinking to a similar situation with DD (and they are almost same age): When we eat dinner together she sometimes 'signs' done (by pulling her bib and saying ahh) very shortly into dinner. She has not eaten much and DH and I are still eating so I say 'no, eat a bit more'. Sometimes it goes well with her just picking at the food a bit longer or playing with her spoon, but other times she gets a fit. I am trying to find the fine line between making sure she does what she is supposed to and has freedom to do what she wants. What I am trying to say is that it depends on the activity and situation and sometimes it is important to try to convince (I don't want to use the word push) the child to continue an activity. I think as they get older they will be more commanding with the parents and we need to set limits early. Anyway, this is not a critique of your reaction, I think swimming is different from eating, but it did get me thinking :-)
    I didn't take it as a critique at all and, in fact, I'm going through the same thing with dinner time. I'm trying something new. I can't say if it works yet or not, but when he says/signs "done," I say OK, take his food and hand him a book or toy and say, "please wait for your family and we'll all go play together." Today, he wasn't having it. He just went from "done" to "DONE!". Lol. I'm going to keep trying though. I read somewhere that at this age, 5-10 min is about all you can really expect attention-wise!
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  • imageBFab11:

    It sounds reasonable to me, and you're showing him that just because he's done swimming, you aren't going to stop having fun because he's finished.  If I were the instructor I'd be more pissed if a mom was forcing her screaming kid to stay in the water than if she let him out.

    Sorry guy, not every kid is going to be completely enthralled by your lesson.   

    agreed!  and my kid is 2.5 and we still deal with this issue, even in a baby gym class that she's been going to for 2 years... she doesn't want to wait for the cirlce time to end, she just wants to play.  i dont think the teachers really want my screaming hysterical kid being forced to sit down, it would ruin the time for all the other kids!  so i hold her slightly behind the circle and encourage her to participate, but explain she cannot play on the toys until circle time is over.

    it's a thin line to walk sometimes with encouraging them to participate while also not interrupting everyone's class with your tantruming kid.  :)

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    imageBFab11:

    It sounds reasonable to me, and you're showing him that just because he's done swimming, you aren't going to stop having fun because he's finished.  If I were the instructor I'd be more pissed if a mom was forcing her screaming kid to stay in the water than if she let him out.

    Sorry guy, not every kid is going to be completely enthralled by your lesson.   

    agreed!  and my kid is 2.5 and we still deal with this issue, even in a baby gym class that she's been going to for 2 years... she doesn't want to wait for the cirlce time to end, she just wants to play.  i dont think the teachers really want my screaming hysterical kid being forced to sit down, it would ruin the time for all the other kids!  so i hold her slightly behind the circle and encourage her to participate, but explain she cannot play on the toys until circle time is over.

    it's a thin line to walk sometimes with encouraging them to participate while also not interrupting everyone's class with your tantruming kid.  :)

    ITA. While I rarely let "image" or other people's convenience affect my parenting decisions, in this matter it's a no-brainer. A screaming toddler is my only getting nothing from the lesson, he's scaring himself and everyone else in the pool.
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  • Yup, I think you're decision is right on.  Smart mama.
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  • imageStrawberryAlarmClock:
    Oh wow. DS's class goes up to 2yo and we aren't doing anything close to that. I can't wait for summer pool parties and canon balls and diving for quarters. I love to swim and hope DS does, too!
     Well, like I said, DS1 is now 5, he wouldn't even go under at 2 (he hated his ears getting water in them).  Look for the height of swim love around age 5 or 6.  All of DS's friends seem to love the pool too... and I think that was the age I really started to love to go swimming all the time too.  In the meantime, you have plenty of time to take things at Dez's pace =)
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  • A friend of mine is going through the same thing right now (my daughter is too young for any kind of lessons lol). Her son loved swimming at first, but after a month wanted to go to his lessons less and less. She didn't push it, and now (after about another month) is back to loving swimming. *shrug*

    I think hobbies are things kids shouldn't be pushed into continuing, at least not at such a young age. Maybe when they are old enough to understand that when you make a commitment you should do your best to see it through- but that's something I think comes muuuuch later in life. :)

    Plus, it's like you said, you're paying. The instructor shouldn't be too upset- he's making money, but has one less pupil to watch over, sounds like a sweet setup to me tbh.

  • Like pps said, your approach seems completely reasonable. The only thing I might be concerned about is if DS getting out of the pool suddenly inspired a wave of other toddlers wanting to get out of the pool in the middle of the lesson. In that case, I may let DS know he has a certain amount of time to get back in the water if he chooses to or else you both have to leave the area so as not to distract the other kids. It doesn't sound like this is an issue, though...
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  • Like PPs have said, I think you're doing the right thing.  We're doing swim lessons with DS also right now.  Our instructor told us that the goal was to expose the water and to hopefully help the kiddos like the water and have fun, while encouraging/introducing some safety at the same time.  We've pushed a little with going under, "jumping in", etc.  Luckily DS has loved most of it.  But if he hadn't, I wouldn't push him or make him stay in the water.

     

    FWIW, I do the same thing at meals.  We struggle at meals to get DS to eat.  When he's finished, I let him be finished, but I'm usually still trying to finish my meal, so I tell him "I understand you're finished eating, but mommy still has to eat her dinner/lunch/etc" and then I continue to eat.  It works better some times than others.  But, I want him to learn that meals are family time and that it's rude to just get up whenever you're finished if others are still eating.  Now if I can just teach DH the same thing..... 

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