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How do you feel about this?

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https://www.care2.com/causes/2844620.html

A FB friend just put this up and I am curious to know how other women TTGP feel about it. 

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  • blindvictoryblindvictory member
    Wow, that's an odd situation. On the one hand, her cocaine use during pregnancy makes me want to punch her teeth out. On the other hand, (and this may be a stretch) you could make the argument that her causing the death of her unborn child isn't any more criminal than elective abortion. (Like I said, that's probably a stretch.) I do think that regardless, a life sentence is overkill. She needs drug treatment and some serious counselling.
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    If they knowingly did things that could harm their unborn child, and it's been proven,  then I agree that they need to be prosecuted.  BUT if it was just an unfortunate un explained thing it needs to be left alone.


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  • PenelopePondPenelopePond member
    If this is wrong then how is abortion not?  In abortions the mothers are choosing to end the life.  And sure the fetus isn't nearly as developed, but it will be.  I can see getting in trouble for using drugs or even for the attempted suicide.  The girl who had the down syndrome baby, though, that's nuts.  And a life sentence is way too extreme.  Murderers don't always get that much time.
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  • Mother MeghanMother Meghan member

    I've known younger girls who got pregnant and ended up giving birth to a still born child. I can't imagine those girls having to serve a life sentence because of a terrible situation that really, no one can prevent.

    However, the fact that this particular lady was doing drugs while pregnant makes me completely sick. I agree with blind, girls like this need rehab and counseling. I think in her case a criminal charge is appropriate but it shouldn't apply to all still births.

    Gah, I just can't even imagine :(

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    imageblindvictory:
    Wow, that's an odd situation. On the one hand, her cocaine use during pregnancy makes me want to punch her teeth out. On the other hand, (and this may be a stretch) you could make the argument that her causing the death of her unborn child isn't any more criminal than elective abortion. (Like I said, that's probably a stretch.) I do think that regardless, a life sentence is overkill. She needs drug treatment and some serious counselling.

    I have to say I agree. If a woman is going to be accused of murder in this situation, shouldn't women who abort be accused as well? I do not know all of the details of the case, but although she intentionally used cocaine, she may not have been doing it to kill her baby. Ya, she should have known that it would, but people don't think of that when they have an addiction. People knowling abort their babies, and this woman gets sentenced to life? That makes no sense to me and is a bit extreme. There are just so many problems with this democracy.

    ETA: Either way, it pisses me off that people would do one or the other. I agree with the pp's. That lady needs counseling and treatment.

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    imageblindvictory:
    Wow, that's an odd situation. On the one hand, her cocaine use during pregnancy makes me want to punch her teeth out. On the other hand, (and this may be a stretch) you could make the argument that her causing the death of her unborn child isn't any more criminal than elective abortion. (Like I said, that's probably a stretch.) I do think that regardless, a life sentence is overkill. She needs drug treatment and some serious counselling.

     I don't think that it's a stretch at all. I agree completely with that statement!

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  • MySweetBabooMySweetBaboo member

    Hmmm, not sure what I think about this. I mean, Drunk Driver's who kill people get off for less than this and IMO those laws need to be a lot tougher. I'll have to think about this for awhile. Was she doing cocaine while she was pregnant? The article doesn't make that clear.

    OTOH, women who smoke while pregnant whose offspring have some kind of respiratory ailment aren't charged with abuse or child endangerment.  I don't know, what a can of worms.

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  • stellelinds25stellelinds25
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    If they knowingly did things that could harm their unborn child, and it's been proven,  then I agree that they need to be prosecuted.  BUT if it was just an unfortunate un explained thing it needs to be left alone.


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  • annerz22annerz22 member

    While it is unethical to do drugs, drink, anything to harm your child while you are pregnant I feel like this is a very fine line. I mean, what happens if you cause a car crash and your unborn child is killed? Will you be charged with put in jail?  Obviously that is different than taking drugs and knowing it is going to harm your fetus, but you did involuntarrily harmed your unborn child. Yes it's an extreme example, but that is how far these laws could be taken if someone really wanted to.

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    While it is unethical to do drugs, drink, anything to harm your child while you are pregnant I feel like this is a very fine line. I mean, what happens if you cause a car crash and your unborn child is killed? Will you be charged with put in jail?  Obviously that is different than taking drugs and knowing it is going to harm your fetus, but you did involuntarrily harmed your unborn child. Yes it's an extreme example, but that is how far these laws could be taken if someone really wanted to.

    So true.

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  • clarisa_bclarisa_b member
    Wow, this is unbelievable. I do not condone what these women did obviously, and I do think they should be punished/treated for their crimes, but to also punish them for the harm done to their unborn children seem like such a huge step backwards. These laws started out as a way to protect woman and their children when they were attacked by someone else.
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  • lycihlycih member

    A good friend of mine is in clinical psychology, and part of her internship (it's not called that... but it's not called residency like MDs call it either... ) hours for her PhD, she spent a whole year counseling in a women's treatment center for mostly homeless and drug addicted women.  And she was astounded at the number of women who would get pregnant over and over and over, and attempt (attempt being the key word) to terminate their pregnancies through drug and alcohol use.  They generally said things like "if it doesn't kill them, then God wanted them to live, and he will take care of them"

    She said, hands down, that was the hardest set of hours she ever completed.  



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