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PhoebeJones3
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Vaccine dabate
PhoebeJones3
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To vaccinate? Or to selectively vaccinate?I figured those who are on this board already have children, and have had to make this decision. I wanted to hear opinions and thoughts on this very touchy subject. Keeping in mind that EVERY mother is doing what she thinks is BEST for her child. I don't want hostility. You can disagree with a view, but please, no personal attacks. I've been trying to read up on what vaccinations are 'needed' but it seems like the list is endless - do we really NEED to pump our babies full of all of that crap?Does anyone know the actual effectiveness of vaccines? Even the 'medical experts' say that a vaccine is not 100% effective. I'm leaning towards selectively vaccinating, and doing it on a more spaced out schedule. I want my child(ren) to be protected, but it just seems like they have added 'new' vaccines all the time.
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Re: Vaccine dabate
Something like this is what I'm talking about -
and yes - crap - aluminum?! If its harmful in deodorants, than it must do some harm when combined in a vaccine.
Dr. Sears
"The main difference in my suggested alternative vaccine schedule is it spreads the infant vaccines out over the first few years of life, instead of bunching them all up in the first 18 months. It gives fewer vaccines at a time, gives the most important vaccines first, and slightly delays the less important vaccines. But ultimately the end result is the same - a fully vaccinated child. What are the benefits of my alternative schedule compared to the standard one?
By only giving two vaccines at a time (instead of as many as 6), I decrease the chance of chemical overload from grouping so many vaccines chemicals all together at once. This allows a baby's body to better detoxify the chemicals one or two at a time.I give only 1 aluminum-containing vaccine at a time (instead of the recommended 4). Overloading on this metal can be particularly toxic to the brain (See Resources, page ___ of The Vaccine Book to view the research on this).I give only one live-virus vaccine component at a time to allow the body's immune system to better handle the live viruses in these vaccines.Giving fewer shots at a time may decrease the side effects, in my experience.Giving fewer shots at a time also makes it easier to figure out which vaccine a child is reacting to if a severe reaction occurs."Both of my children have received all the vaccines. I have no issues with spreading them out as long as they are getting them. There have been countries that thought vaccinating was unnecessary so after years of not vaccinating the children, all those horrible diseases/viruses came back in full swing disforming and even killing many children when it could of been avoided and they had to start vaccinating again. It is especially important for people who like to travel outside the U.S. since you are being exposed to diseases/viruses that may not be prevalent here anymore since not every country is as on top of well-visits, vaccines as we are.
Plus the same disease/virus (example chicken pox) over time has become much stronger.
Both of my kids received all their vaccines on time.
Under certain circumstances, like someone with an autoimmune disorder, vaccines may be more risky. But for your average child with good health, then vaccines are the best way to go.
yes, we vaccinated our children.
I'd encourage you speak with your primary to ensure you're up to date with your vaccines and/or to have the blood test to check your titers. rates of pertusis infections are rising. it can be deadly in infants... that's why many are encouraging mothers to become vaccinated with the Tdap prior to pregnancy or prior discharge after delivery if not up to date with vaccinations.
My retort to your reply was an excerpt from Dr. Sears, and a line about some of the 'crap' they put in vaccines. Its a chemical cocktail. But really most things are that way these days. I Don't see how that went against looking for an honest reply - I was simply explaining my view. Nothing I have said was ever a personal attack towards anyone. Such as "You're a stupid/bad mother for doing (insert whatever here." - That is an example of a personal attack.
Also, what do you care if I'm 'hostile' towards an inanimate object? Its not like I hurt its feelings. I really don't see it as I was starting anything with hostility. But that is completely your viewpoint and opinion.
Excuse me for one spelling error - typos do happen sometimes.
My kids are all up to date on their vaccines. I did not do an alternative schedule.
Vaccine's are only 100% effective if every child gets them. Personally, I'd be annoyed if my LO (not fully vaccinated due to age) got a disease that could have been prevented if someone hadn't decided NOT to vaccinate.
Yawn. Yes, I filled my DD with "that crap" - and she hasn't had measles, or chicken pox, or any other preventable diseases in her 7 years of life.
Nothing is ever 100% effective. Please vaccinate your children - if not for their sake, for the sake of the rest of the kids around them.
I do think it's interesting that you ask everyone to be polite and objective, then you proceed to lay on the judgmental line, calling vaccines "crap" and putting the medical experts in quotes, implying that you question their legitimate expertise.
Why did you ask? You've already made up your mind. Go be a troll on some other board.
I'd hardly myself a troll. But thanks anyways.
I didn't want people making personal attacks, such as calling people trolls.
I could care less if you curse at a tree on here, but don't direct it to people, because behavior like that is completely childish.
I'm reading an very interesting book right now that you may want to get. It's called "sanctity of human blood" by tim o'shea. It's hard to find concrete information on vaccines online because it's so clouded with personal opinions. I like this book because it's very well referenced. I plan on reading Vaccines: A thoughtful parent's guide by Aviva Romm next that was reccommended to me. I had many references I wish I could share on my favorites by my laptop crashed a month ago so I have to find them again. I think you should consider your doctor's opinion but also do your own research-looking at the pros and cons.
Yep....I'm team "crap in my kids bloodstream"....WHY??? Because that is the better choice for me than dead kids.....I hate team dead kid.....
xoxoxo
I would suggest reading new, up-to-date information. Both my girls were vaccinated on time, and we have not seen any harmful effects. Ever.
Although, someone in my MOPS group decided to do selective and/or delayed vaccinations and both of her boys were hospitalized for a preventable illness.
This.
I lurk here on the school aged board because my stepkids are school aged, but I have a 1 year old DD as well.
I don't like my 1 year old to be around children who are not properly vaccinated, because that places HER at risk for catching something that those kids may have come in contact with.
I 100% believe that it is each parent's right to choose whether to vaccinate or not, HOWEVER I believe that it is NOT someone ELSE's right to place my child at risk that way.
I agree with this
My DS is vaccinated, and so will my DS unless he cant be due to medical reasons. Hopefully that is not the case, because i do worry. I think it is important as well
I am also pro "crap". Unfortunately because of rumors and hype that have no or limited evidence that surround vaccinations, the vaccination rate is dramatically reduced as of late.
Here in Oregon, we just had a major outbreak of the MEASLES! This is something that has long been considered virtually eradicated in the US, but because our herd immunity is down to about 60% rather than the 90% we need it at for protection, it spread like wildfire until it was contained.
For those on the Autism bandwagon, I encourage you to look into Japan's vaccination schedule- they altered their vaccinations to disclude the ones implicated in autism and have since seen no alteration in autism rates.
It is encouraging to see so many pro vaccination mamas out there!
The adult pertussis vaccine does not prevent transmission of pertussis, it just prevents the adult from "contracting" it & showing symptoms. They can still carry & transmit the virus to infants/unvaccinated/incompletely vaccinated children.
We will be vaccinating on a delayed schedule, for personal medical reasons as well as the aluminum/mercury issue. I don't think that injecting infants & babies with heavy metal is a good idea, & stacking vaccines that contain heavy metals is not OK with us. Our children will be vaccinated, it just won't happen as quickly as others.
Though, I don't really care for the chicken pox vaccine, & hope I can find a way around my child getting it. There are so many states that have passed laws requiring the CP vaccine to enter school.
We went on schedule, despite our misgivings with DD1. She reacted to the HepB vaccine and then, within 24 hours of her 6 month shots, she developed myoclonic seizures. While we can't prove that a vaccine caused the seizures we definitely had to quit giving her any shots due to the high risk of more seizures. It's only been in the last year that we did her MMR (another high seizure vaccine). We did lots of research afterwards and decided that with future children we would wait until they turned 2 to begin vaccinations and then we would do the bare minimum to get them into school. So many of these vaccinations are not truly needed and people get a false sense of security from them. Getting the shot does not make you immune for life and if you read Dr. Sears and see how they are made and what goes into them, you might change your mind a bit.
OP--it's a hot button issue so don't be surprised if people get upset. We were lucky in our personal lives that no one thought anything of it. In fact my own parents refused to vaccinate me until I was 2 because my brother had severe reactions to vaccines.