How do you......?

Bella2u07 · April 2011

Increase the quality of your follies/eggs?

vanessagorc · April 2011

stupid bump!

vanessagorc · April 2011

Accroding to my RE, there is really no way to do this. Cornell's theory is: ur egg quality is genetics/age, and the way they stim u...has the most impact on the quality. Hence Cornell is loose w IVF restrictions. I am allowed to have wine up to trigger (personally i don't, but this is an example of how strongly they support their theory).

My acu has some other tips. I take royal jelly daily, follow a pretty clean diet, no really artificial food (no soda etc), limited caffiene/booze.

But essentially, i believe my RE....or i wouldn't be giving Cornell our life's savings.

madelyn07 · April 2011

I take royal jelly and wheatgrass.

Edwina.McDunnough · April 2011

Bella, I know this is hard for you and you're disappointed and sad, but I really truly believe that there are so many positive things about how your cycle went even though it didn't end well, and that things can and will turn out differently for you. Changes in your protocol, heck, just a different cohort of eggs, may make a world of difference.

Overall quality of your eggs is usually age dependent. I believe that your stim protocol/time of trigger can directly effect the quantity and quality, but you're never going to surpass what you're got to begin with.

Bella2u07 · April 2011

Edwina.McDunnough:
Bella, I know this is hard for you and you're disappointed and sad, but I really truly believe that there are so many positive things about how your cycle went even though it didn't end well, and that things can and will turn out differently for you. Changes in your protocol, heck, just a different cohort of eggs, may make a world of difference.
Overall quality of your eggs is usually age dependent. I believe that your stim protocol/time of trigger can directly effect the quantity and quality, but you're never going to surpass what you're got to begin with.

I am actually doing ok with the result of my last cycle. You are right about the positives but, since my next IVF cycle is my last, I just want to do anything and everything possible to make it work. At my WTF there were things that we discussed that is new to me, so it's research time.

I appreciate your feedback, thank you.

njohnson1972 · April 2011

I changed protocols to EPP, took DHEA, didn't drink, took CoQ10, did acupuncture.

I did finally get a BFP.

But I don't really know if those things made a difference or not. Who is to say that I wouldn't have finally just gotten that one good egg without all of that??

But what I do know is that I feel like I tried everything and gave it my all. So if this last cycle didn't work, I was ready to move on to DE. I would have needed that closure.

Good luck.

mikeandangie · April 2011

njohnson1972:

I changed protocols to EPP, took DHEA, didn't drink, took CoQ10, did acupuncture.

I did finally get a BFP.

But I don't really know if those things made a difference or not. Who is to say that I wouldn't have finally just gotten that one good egg without all of that?

This for me too. I also kept a very clean diet (mostly organic, no sugar), and took wheatgrass, Inositol. Still had most of my eggs die, but one made it. I will say though, I felt extremely well while doing this, probably the healthiest I ever felt in my life. So it certainly doesn't hurt. Good luck, sweetie!

Trippleb · April 2011

I still haven't found the golden egg but I did see improvements. No way of knowing if it was a protocol change or vitamins but it was enough of an improvement that I am sticking with the vitamins.

My first IVF at 40, they retrieved 4 eggs, only one fertilized and it degenerated on day 2. The embryologist could tell right after retrievel that they were of poor quality. Even before they attempted to fertilize them.

My second IVF at 41 with a different RE and a completely different protocol, We had two mature eggs at retrievel (2 others were retrieved, but were to immature to amount to anything. Of the two that were mature, both fertilized, One was a grade 1 perfect looking embryo the other a grade three. We did a three day transfer and it ended in a c/p. Was this the perfect protocol? No, I really think the bcp and lupron oversuppressed me. I stimmed for 17 days. We are giving IVF one more shot before quitting.

My first IVF by all accounts should have been better. I was younger and as we all every minute counts at my age. I had just had endo removed two months prior. At that time, I was really trying to follow Dr.'s orders and he assured me that nothing I can do, will help the outcome. I was only on a prenatal.

Between the two cycles I took dhea, melatonin, inositol, ubiquinol, pycnogenol. Along with my prenatal, b6, b12, folic acid, magnesium, D3, fish oil and wheatgrass. I take some of these vitamins to help with the endo.

Imanurse03 · April 2011

This is a good question and one that I don't really have an answer for; I can just share my personal experience.

I am young (I'll be 30 in Sept) and I was 27, nearly 28 when we did our 1st IVF. While I had no known egg quality issues, I took wheatgrass and royal jelly supplements religiously for several months prior to our 1st IVF. I ate/drank fairly cleanly, too. I ended up having really poor fert rates with that 1st IVF and it resulted in a c/p. Prior to that IVF, I had no known egg quality issues or DOR. I will say that I had 2 m/cs.

We then attempted 2 more IVFs. However, one was canceled because of poor response (I think I had 2 eggs) and the next one was then converted to an IUI.

Our RE has since said that he believes I have some sort of autoimmune ovarian failure. He says this because of our 4 early pg losses with IF treatments, poor fert rates with our 1st IVF and poor response to subsequent IVF cycles. He said that I could try DHEA and other various supplements but that they probably would not improve our chances of success.

I honestly don't think you can do much to improve your egg quality, no matter what the cause is of your egg quality issues. Just my 2 cents. I do think clean living, supplements like wheatgrass, etc. is beneficial for everyone and their general well-being. And it certainly can't hurt your egg quality. But I don't think it really dramatically improves egg quality.

GL!

mdluv21 · April 2011

I did change my diet...I cut out caffeine, alcohol, and gluten. I ate very few white carbs and increased my lean red meat intake. Also, I are organic when possible. I did acupuncture...

My RE also believes metformin can help egg quality even if you are not insulin resistant.

I am not sure if any of it helped but I did get pregnant so I will do the same for my FET. Whenever that is...

GL sweetie.

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