Please excuse the bitchiness on alcohol...I'm pregnant

mommyj816 · April 2011

Instead of making judgments I just wanted to share some science based information from The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists website which contains the most up to date best practices within the field. If I were going to listen to anyone on this matter it would be them but that's just me.

Just one more piece of food for thought: if one glass of wine a day is fine, how bout 1 hit of weed a day, 1 vicodin a day, 1 cigarette a day....it's just one! (side note vicodin is safe during pregnancy if truly needed, above it is intended as recreation usage)

PS. Working in L&D and seeing the negative effects drugs/alcohol can have is quite upsetting, especially when the babies don't live and it was 100% preventable.

Alcohol

"When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, it quickly reaches her fetus. The same amount of alcohol that is in her blood is in her baby's blood. In an adult, the liver breaks down the alcohol. But a baby's liver is not yet able to do this. Thus, alcohol is much more harmful to a fetus than it is to an adult. The more a pregnant woman drinks, the greater the danger to her baby.

It is not known how much alcohol it takes to harm the fetus. One beer, one shot of liquor, one mixed drink, or one glass of wine all contain approximately the same amount of alcohol. All types of drinks pose a risk. It is best not to drink at all during pregnancy.

Drinking at any time during pregnancy can cause problems. Alcohol increases the chance of having a miscarriage or a preterm baby. Alcohol abuse during pregnancy is a leading cause of mental retardation.

Heavy drinking during pregnancy can cause fetal alcohol syndrome. This is a pattern of major physical, mental, and behavior problems in babies who were exposed to alcohol during pregnancy. Smoking, drug use, and poor diet also may play a role in how severely the baby is affected by fetal alcohol syndrome.

It may be hard to stop drinking. If this is true for you, you may need help. Talk honestly to your doctor about your drinking habits."

rachaelski · April 2011

https://news.discovery.com/human/alcohol-drinking-pregnant-women.html

While it comes from discovery.com, it is in reference to a peer-reviewed research journal. And it's research from the US. I believe there's been significantly more research done on the topic in Europe.

Slightly off topic, but you mention things that society deems illicit and wrong. I'm not going to argue about cigarettes...but where's the proof on marijuana. I'm not a stoner, I've tried it maybe 2 times in my life, but my uncle runs a medical marijuana dispensary, breeds plants, and develops medicines and foods for sick people with marijuana as the main ingredient. I'm not convinced about the marijuana argument. Secondly, people don't get (as) high and mighty about caffeine, lunch meat, and whatever else may pose a minute danger to babies...should we take these risks into consideration? Certainly, but why are these risks okay to ignore? Simply because society deemed alcohol and marijuana limited or illegal to certain groups?

Why don't I hear more drs. and nurses up in arms about high blood pressure and the impact of high caffeine intake as testimonials as to why they are right and others are wrong.

I'm pregnant too.

Froggy76 · April 2011

What prompted this?

I agree that heavy drinking, or even 1 drink a day, is most likely harmful to the fetus. However, there is some amount of alcohol during pregnancy that is safe. I don't plan on trying to find out how much, but I hope you don't go around judging women who choose to have a glass of wine occasionally later in pregnancy. They are certainly not doing any harm to their babies.

JillianAshley6 · April 2011

One of the candidates for new president of ACOG, and past chair of district xi, is my boss. He's the dean of my university hsc. I work with him quite a bit, he knows I'm pg, and I actually asked him his opinion on this knowing what ACOGs stance is. He said it's fine to have a glass of wine in moderation in the third tri. ACOG puts that on their website to protect themselves from civil liability-many of their other stances are just a strict for the same reason. So there you have it. if you are going to quote research on the topic do a good job and visit more than one reputable source. Or you can just continue to be a mommy martyr and believe your way is the ONLY right way.

JillianAshley6 · April 2011

Froggy76:
What prompted this?

I agree that heavy drinking, or even 1 drink a day, is most likely harmful to the fetus. However, there is some amount of alcohol during pregnancy that is safe. I don't plan on trying to find out how much, but I hope you don't go around judging women who choose to have a glass of wine occasionally later in pregnancy. They are certainly not doing any harm to their babies.

The flame free Friday confession post. Why she didn't just reply in that post is weird, but obv she felt she had a point to make and is the most educated on the subject.

amy0610 · April 2011

rachaelski:

https://news.discovery.com/human/alcohol-drinking-pregnant-women.html

While it comes from discovery.com, it is in reference to a peer-reviewed research journal. And it's research from the US. I believe there's been significantly more research done on the topic in Europe.

Slightly off topic, but you mention things that society deems illicit and wrong. I'm not going to argue about cigarettes...but where's the proof on marijuana. I'm not a stoner, I've tried it maybe 2 times in my life, but my uncle runs a medical marijuana dispensary, breeds plants, and develops medicines and foods for sick people with marijuana as the main ingredient. I'm not convinced about the marijuana argument. Secondly, people don't get (as) high and mighty about caffeine, lunch meat, and whatever else may pose a minute danger to babies...should we take these risks into consideration? Certainly, but why are these risks okay to ignore? Simply because society deemed alcohol and marijuana limited or illegal to certain groups?

Why don't I hear more drs. and nurses up in arms about high blood pressure and the impact of high caffeine intake as testimonials as to why they are right and others are wrong.

I'm pregnant too.

Nicely put.

JillianAshley6 · April 2011

mommyj816:
Instead of making judgments I just wanted to share some science based information from The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists website which contains the most up to date best practices within the field. If I were going to listen to anyone on this matter it would be them but that's just me.
Just one more piece of food for thought: if one glass of wine a day is fine, how bout 1 hit of weed a day, 1 vicodin a day, 1 cigarette a day....it's just one! (side note vicodin is safe during pregnancy if truly needed, above it is intended as recreation usage)

I forgot to mention......the minute you started comparing alcohol use to illegal drug use you were "making judgements". Don't pretend like you aren't.

I'll say it again....I'm not a drinker....but not really for any reason. My h and I just aren't. But what qualifies me to judge others? Nothing. Just like what qualifies you.

mommyj816 · April 2011

JillianAshley6:
Froggy76:

What prompted this?

I agree that heavy drinking, or even 1 drink a day, is most likely harmful to the fetus. However, there is some amount of alcohol during pregnancy that is safe. I don't plan on trying to find out how much, but I hope you don't go around judging women who choose to have a glass of wine occasionally later in pregnancy. They are certainly not doing any harm to their babies.

The flame free Friday confession post. Why she didn't just reply in that post is weird, but obv she felt she had a point to make and is the most educated on the subject.

Yes the flame free confession post did prompt this and I did not post it there becausee I thought this was important educational info to share with everyone. And I copied my info as stated in my post from the ACOG website, I'm not trying to act more educated than anyone, the info is right there for anyone to see

!

mommyj816 · April 2011

rachaelski:

https://news.discovery.com/human/alcohol-drinking-pregnant-women.html

While it comes from discovery.com, it is in reference to a peer-reviewed research journal. And it's research from the US. I believe there's been significantly more research done on the topic in Europe.

Slightly off topic, but you mention things that society deems illicit and wrong. I'm not going to argue about cigarettes...but where's the proof on marijuana. I'm not a stoner, I've tried it maybe 2 times in my life, but my uncle runs a medical marijuana dispensary, breeds plants, and develops medicines and foods for sick people with marijuana as the main ingredient. I'm not convinced about the marijuana argument. Secondly, people don't get (as) high and mighty about caffeine, lunch meat, and whatever else may pose a minute danger to babies...should we take these risks into consideration? Certainly, but why are these risks okay to ignore? Simply because society deemed alcohol and marijuana limited or illegal to certain groups?

Why don't I hear more drs. and nurses up in arms about high blood pressure and the impact of high caffeine intake as testimonials as to why they are right and others are wrong.

I'm pregnant too.

The drugs and alcohol I listed are simply ones that I would not ingest while pregnant the same way I would not give any of those to my newborn/children so marajuana is included in that list and for me so is caffeine!

JillianAshley6 · April 2011

You ARE trying to act "more educated". If this is your personal decision, that's fine...but don't try to push your views off on everyone else. Especially when you try to present your OPINION as fact by quoting a source. However, by only presenting one source, you make yourself look like an idiot.

Regardless....everyone is going to make this decision for themselves, and you have no right to try to influence their decision one direction or another, or judge them for what they decide.

mommyj816 · April 2011

JillianAshley6:
One of the candidates for new president of ACOG, and past chair of district xi, is my boss. He's the dean of my university hsc. I work with him quite a bit, he knows I'm pg, and I actually asked him his opinion on this knowing what ACOGs stance is. He said it's fine to have a glass of wine in moderation in the third tri. ACOG puts that on their website to protect themselves from civil liability-many of their other stances are just a strict for the same reason. So there you have it. if you are going to quote research on the topic do a good job and visit more than one reputable source. Or you can just continue to be a mommy martyr and believe your way is the ONLY right way.

Sounds more like you are the one judging me, I am offering information from a reputable organization that is research based. If they could tell you a specific amount of alcohol was absolutely safe during pregnancy they would but they can't!! And you posting about some guys opinion really means nothing in terms of research or education...get off your soap box lady. Why are you so pro alcohol anyway, you claim not to drink much? I on the other hand enjoy wine quite a bit and visit Napa, Sonoma, Livermore wineries quite often but becoming a parent to me means sacrifice and alcohol is one of the first things I am ready to give up to make my womb as non hostile as possible. I prefer a drug/alcohol free environment for my unborn child. Just as I would not give my newborn alcohol I would not give my unborn baby alcohol and thats exactly what drinking while pregnant is doing. Anything a pregnant woman consumes goes directly to the baby. 1 glass of wine which might be more than an actual serving of wine at most places might not affect a 130+ lb woman but how might it make a tiny infant feel? Alcohol is mind altering, addictive, and dangerous! The drinking age is 21 in this country so why should that be any different for an unborn child who doesn't even have to drink it, it goes directly into their blood stream? All the evidence is clear it's people's thinking that's distorted, even if a glass of wine cause no "damage" it certainly has an affect on the unborn child just as it does for us so what's the point in subjecting your own child to feel the affects of alcohol before they even take a breath? So mom can relax and feel good? Go meditate, take a walk, listen to music...something positive for mom and baby! Becoming a mom should be selfless and that should start the day we find out we're pregnant!

mommyj816 · April 2011

JillianAshley6:
mommyj816:

Instead of making judgments I just wanted to share some science based information from The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists website which contains the most up to date best practices within the field. If I were going to listen to anyone on this matter it would be them but that's just me.

Just one more piece of food for thought: if one glass of wine a day is fine, how bout 1 hit of weed a day, 1 vicodin a day, 1 cigarette a day....it's just one! (side note vicodin is safe during pregnancy if truly needed, above it is intended as recreation usage)
I forgot to mention......the minute you started comparing alcohol use to illegal drug use you were "making judgements". Don't pretend like you aren't.
I'll say it again....I'm not a drinker....but not really for any reason. My h and I just aren't. But what qualifies me to judge others? Nothing. Just like what qualifies you.

Actually all of the substances I listed are substances that are legal with restrictions, alcohol and cigarettes have age limits and alcohol was once illegal! Vicodin and weed require prescriptions so I'm pretty sure if a Dr's able to prescribe these drugs that they ARE legal...do your research smarty pants.

Someone needs to speak up for the unborn as they cannot speak for themselves. I chose to speak through education but you really bother me so I'm giving you all my opinions and reasons and quite frankly I don't care what you think about them. The fact is alcohol is a mind altering substance that can cause permanent damage and it is recommended that pregnant women should not consume it! People do what they want anyway so I choose to keep my baby safe and try to educate others to do the same. A huge part of nursing is education and that is something I will do whenever the opportunity arises!

rachaelski · April 2011

I think you are ignoring Jillian's point she made earlier, you are quoting one source, and figurehead organizations, such as the one you listed, make extreme, definitive statements to protect themselves (as well as women who do not understand moderation).

I see nothing wrong with presenting the information you use to support your decision, and I simply showed you that there's research supporting the view you argued--from reputable, peer-reviewed research journals. However, your PSA post quickly shifted to passing judgement, specifically in your latter posts.

Also, I spent some time reading up on marijuana and pregnancy, and of the 12 major research projects conducted, there's been no conclusive evidence that marijuana harms babies in the womb. The few studies that cited differences are eventually explained by outside influences (low baby birth weight, not being directly correlated by marijuana, but poor diet and other issues related to lifestyle).

I don't think anyone is going to argue that excessive drinking is not good for a developing baby. However, a glass of wine on occasion is something totally different. As the study I posted stated, it can be helpful for many women. That being said, that does not mean that you HAVE to drink wine during pregnancy. Unless we live in a bubble for 9 months, we are all going to do things that may cause risk (albeit minimal) to the baby. Drinking coffee, invasive testing, driving, breathing noxious air, not eating organic, eating lunch meat and hot dogs....

marista99 · April 2011

Anyone who has researched this issue even a little bit can quote numerous studies citing everything from "if you have one sip of beer in 3rd tri you might as well shoot your baby" to "a few glasses of wine or beer throughout pregnancy have been shown to cause no harm whatsoever." there is no one definitive source of correct information on this subject, so don't act like this one website you're citing is proof that you know more than others. We have Google too.

mommyj816 · April 2011

marista99:
Anyone who has researched this issue even a little bit can quote numerous studies citing everything from "if you have one sip of beer in 3rd tri you might as well shoot your baby" to "a few glasses of wine or beer throughout pregnancy have been shown to cause no harm whatsoever." there is no one definitive source of correct information on this subject, so don't act like this one website you're citing is proof that you know more than others. We have Google too.

I was not doing a research study, I was simply quoting the best practices in OB as of right now by a very reputable source. Read it and accept it or argue it I don't care I just thought it was important to state.

Most educated women know that whatever they ingest goes straight to their growing baby and mom only gets what's leftover. And most educated people in this society know that alcohol is a depressant that enters the blood stream and affects the whole body especially the brain. I know that a glass of wine will most likely not cause any permanent damage to a fetus but why would anyone want to subject their innocent growing baby to the short term effect of feeling drunk. Think of how just one glass of wine might make a tiny baby feel. This is not about me or you or the annoying flamer it's about babies and what is best for them and alcohol in any amount really has no place being ingested by a baby whether in the womb or out. Alcohol would be legal from birth if it was safe for babies to ingest.

If a mother gave her newborn a glass of wine she would probably be arrested, so why is it okay to feed it to a baby in the womb?

rachaelski · April 2011

mommyj816:
I was not doing a research study, I was simply quoting the best practices in OB as of right now by a very reputable source. Read it and accept it or argue it I don't care I just thought it was important to state.
Most educated women know that whatever they ingest goes straight to their growing baby and mom only gets what's leftover. And most educated people in this society know that alcohol is a depressant that enters the blood stream and affects the whole body especially the brain. I know that a glass of wine will most likely not cause any permanent damage to a fetus but why would anyone want to subject their innocent growing baby to the short term effect of feeling drunk. Think of how just one glass of wine might make a tiny baby feel. This is not about me or you or the annoying flamer it's about babies and what is best for them and alcohol in any amount really has no place being ingested by a baby whether in the womb or out. Alcohol would be legal from birth if it was safe for babies to ingest.
If a mother gave her newborn a glass of wine she would probably be arrested, so why is it okay to feed it to a baby in the womb?

As an educated woman, with 2 master's degrees and in the middle of a doctoral program, I resent the fact that you assume anyone who's educated would have to agree with you. As previously stated, at nauseam, there are other sources indicating something other than what you (and the website) are arguing. The website's a very black/white view, whereas other research flirts with the gray.

Unrelated to pregnancy, there's so much research that supports the healthy benefits of red wine, in moderation. Healthy benefits do not go away just because someone is pregnant. Your drunk babies in the womb argument is not convincing. The baby does not ingest everything I do. I am certain that when I cow down a whole pizza it is not going directly and completely to my baby. Pretty sure that force-feeding a baby a whole pizza would be considered child abuse (and illegal) as well.

catch2010 · April 2011

Just curious: how do you feel about Catholic women drinking communion wine every week? That probably adds up to a few glasses over the whole time she is pregnant.

mommyj816 · April 2011

rachaelski:
mommyj816:
I was not doing a research study, I was simply quoting the best practices in OB as of right now by a very reputable source. Read it and accept it or argue it I don't care I just thought it was important to state.
Most educated women know that whatever they ingest goes straight to their growing baby and mom only gets what's leftover. And most educated people in this society know that alcohol is a depressant that enters the blood stream and affects the whole body especially the brain. I know that a glass of wine will most likely not cause any permanent damage to a fetus but why would anyone want to subject their innocent growing baby to the short term effect of feeling drunk. Think of how just one glass of wine might make a tiny baby feel. This is not about me or you or the annoying flamer it's about babies and what is best for them and alcohol in any amount really has no place being ingested by a baby whether in the womb or out. Alcohol would be legal from birth if it was safe for babies to ingest.
If a mother gave her newborn a glass of wine she would probably be arrested, so why is it okay to feed it to a baby in the womb?
As an educated woman, with 2 master's degrees and in the middle of a doctoral program, I resent the fact that you assume anyone who's educated would have to agree with you. As previously stated, at nauseam, there are other sources indicating something other than what you (and the website) are arguing. The website's a very black/white view, whereas other research flirts with the gray.
Unrelated to pregnancy, there's so much research that supports the healthy benefits of red wine, in moderation. Healthy benefits do not go away just because someone is pregnant. Your drunk babies in the womb argument is not convincing. The baby does not ingest everything I do. I am certain that when I cow down a whole pizza it is not going directly and completely to my baby. Pretty sure that force-feeding a baby a whole pizza would be considered child abuse (and illegal) as well.

Alcohol does cross the placenta....look it up (hence FAS) and yeah you're right the baby does not get the whole pizza, the nutrients are absorbed into your blood stream and brought to your baby, just like alcohol. That is simple science of how the human body works. Really you have 2 master's and you don't know this stuff? When we give mother's narcotics in labor and delivery, the effects happen very quickly and we can see them on the fetal monitors because those drugs also cross the placenta and effect the baby the same way they effect the mom but the baby is so small that the effects are more extreme. A baby born too soon after the mother has been given narcotics can have respiratory depression, decreases alertness, and difficulty transitioning and they may end up in the NICU. Another prescription drug in L&D that can alter the baby just like it alters mom is Mag. Sulfate. but benefit outweighs risk so it's given but this is just another example of how babies are directly effected by substances taken by the mother. So in hospitals they actually get fetus's "high" by administering narcotics to the mom! We know alcohol crosses the placenta so why would you think it doesn't have the same mind altering effect? Until there are studies of short term effects of alcohol on the fetus I 'll draw on my knowledge of how substances taken by mom can directly effect baby in a negative way and stay away from any substance that might do that to my baby. Your study was about long term effects and said nothing of the immediate effects to the fetus.

I'm done talking about this, as long as I know that I'm doing my best to keep my baby in a safe, welcoming, non-hostile environment I feel great!

marista99 · April 2011

You sound like you need to go live in a bubble for the next 7 months, if you really think you're going to be able to keep your baby shielded from every potentially harmful substance of any kind. Your baby is breathing car exhaust and second hand smoke at least once in a while. It is being exposed to low levels of radiation at almost all times from various appliances. There may be a study coming out next year finding that eating broccoli can cause the fetus potential harm. Anything is possible. Get off your high horse and quit implying anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or does not care about their baby.

mommyj816 · April 2011

marista99:
You sound like you need to go live in a bubble for the next 7 months, if you really think you're going to be able to keep your baby shielded from every potentially harmful substance of any kind. Your baby is breathing car exhaust and second hand smoke at least once in a while. It is being exposed to low levels of radiation at almost all times from various appliances. There may be a study coming out next year finding that eating broccoli can cause the fetus potential harm. Anything is possible. Get off your high horse and quit implying anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or does not care about their baby.

No bubble needed here, I avoid what I know is harmful. Period. There is so much I don't have control over and I accept that, that make's it even more important for ME to avoid what I can. Anyone can educate themselves on these subjects I'm not pretending to know anymore than the next mom or nurse, I just use my knowledge to benefit myself and my baby. I certainly have not said one word to indicate that I think certain people don't care about their own babies but I have expressed the personal sacrifice I choose to make for the benefit of my child. You don't have to agree with me but why the need to be such a judgmental ***?

marista99 · April 2011

mommyj816:
marista99:
You sound like you need to go live in a bubble for the next 7 months, if you really think you're going to be able to keep your baby shielded from every potentially harmful substance of any kind. Your baby is breathing car exhaust and second hand smoke at least once in a while. It is being exposed to low levels of radiation at almost all times from various appliances. There may be a study coming out next year finding that eating broccoli can cause the fetus potential harm. Anything is possible. Get off your high horse and quit implying anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or does not care about their baby.
No bubble needed here, I avoid what I know is harmful. Period. There is so much I don't have control over and I accept that, that make's it even more important for ME to avoid what I can. Anyone can educate themselves on these subjects I'm not pretending to know anymore than the next mom or nurse, I just use my knowledge to benefit myself and my baby. I certainly have not said one word to indicate that I think certain people don't care about their own babies but I have expressed the personal sacrifice I choose to make for the benefit of my child. You don't have to agree with me but why the need to be such a judgmental ***?

not sure how I'm the judgmental one here, I'm pretty sure that's you. And I thought you were "done talking about it." if you were that secure in your opinions you wouldn't still be on here defending (to strangers who don't particularly have a lot invested in your personal choices and opinions) all your "sacrifices" and trying to prove what a perfect mom you are.

rachaelski · April 2011

Perhaps I was not being clear, though I think it was rude to question my intelligence, because my latter example exemplifies what I meant. At no point in this conversation have I questioned your credentials or your intelligence simply because we do not see eye-to-eye. It makes sense that if you were trained as a nurse in the US you'd have this black & white point of view--it's what you were trained to do. As someone who's spent years doing research, I've been trained to critically scrutinize research, identify areas of misrepresentation, and to seek out research with differing findings. I'm doing as I've been trained.

What I was trying to say is that the entire glass of wine does not LITERALLY go to the baby. Yes, the nutrients do, I get that. However, your visual of a mother feeding a baby a glass of wine was what I was questioning. A mother receives some of the nutrients and food she intakes, so the baby does not ingest it all. Sincerely, I am not sure on how much, and if you are privy to that knowledge, I'd like to learn more.

You make a great point about drugs given to mothers during labor and delivery and about the more immediate impacts of alcohol on babies in the womb. It's something I will look into. However, being the natural momma I am, I think ingesting of chemically derived drugs is always a bad idea (or the last resort), pregnant or not, especially if there's a natural alternative. In my book, chemicals vs. light use of fermented grapes...the chemicals are the bigger risk.

We are obviously at an impasse here. Based on your responses, it is clear that you are feeling attacked and getting defensive. It was not my intention for you to feel that way. I think dialogue such as this is important. We all want what's best for our babies, and I am sure there are beliefs I have that you disagree with. It makes neither of us less of a good parent.

SamSam31 · April 2011

RachaelA:
mommyj816:
marista99:
You sound like you need to go live in a bubble for the next 7 months, if you really think you're going to be able to keep your baby shielded from every potentially harmful substance of any kind. Your baby is breathing car exhaust and second hand smoke at least once in a while. It is being exposed to low levels of radiation at almost all times from various appliances. There may be a study coming out next year finding that eating broccoli can cause the fetus potential harm. Anything is possible. Get off your high horse and quit implying anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or does not care about their baby.
No bubble needed here, I avoid what I know is harmful. Period. There is so much I don't have control over and I accept that, that make's it even more important for ME to avoid what I can. Anyone can educate themselves on these subjects I'm not pretending to know anymore than the next mom or nurse, I just use my knowledge to benefit myself and my baby. I certainly have not said one word to indicate that I think certain people don't care about their own babies but I have expressed the personal sacrifice I choose to make for the benefit of my child. You don't have to agree with me but why the need to be such a judgmental ***?
Pot meet kettle.

This!

mommyj816 · April 2011

rachaelski:
Perhaps I was not being clear, though I think it was rude to question my intelligence, because my latter example exemplifies what I meant. At no point in this conversation have I questioned your credentials or your intelligence simply because we do not see eye-to-eye. It makes sense that if you were trained as a nurse in the US you'd have this black & white point of view--it's what you were trained to do. As someone who's spent years doing research, I've been trained to critically scrutinize research, identify areas of misrepresentation, and to seek out research with differing findings. I'm doing as I've been trained.
What I was trying to say is that the entire glass of wine does not LITERALLY go to the baby. Yes, the nutrients do, I get that. However, your visual of a mother feeding a baby a glass of wine was what I was questioning. A mother receives some of the nutrients and food she intakes, so the baby does not ingest it all. Sincerely, I am not sure on how much, and if you are privy to that knowledge, I'd like to learn more.
You make a great point about drugs given to mothers during labor and delivery and about the more immediate impacts of alcohol on babies in the womb. It's something I will look into. However, being the natural momma I am, I think ingesting of chemically derived drugs is always a bad idea (or the last resort), pregnant or not, especially if there's a natural alternative. In my book, chemicals vs. light use of fermented grapes...the chemicals are the bigger risk.
We are obviously at an impasse here. Based on your responses, it is clear that you are feeling attacked and getting defensive. It was not my intention for you to feel that way. I think dialogue such as this is important. We all want what's best for our babies, and I am sure there are beliefs I have that you disagree with. It makes neither of us less of a good parent.

Sorry to have insulted you, that was wrong and I should not have said that. You are right I was starting to feel attacked and not just by you. I am so done discussing this subject though!

mommyj816 · April 2011

RachaelA:
mommyj816:
marista99:
You sound like you need to go live in a bubble for the next 7 months, if you really think you're going to be able to keep your baby shielded from every potentially harmful substance of any kind. Your baby is breathing car exhaust and second hand smoke at least once in a while. It is being exposed to low levels of radiation at almost all times from various appliances. There may be a study coming out next year finding that eating broccoli can cause the fetus potential harm. Anything is possible. Get off your high horse and quit implying anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or does not care about their baby.
No bubble needed here, I avoid what I know is harmful. Period. There is so much I don't have control over and I accept that, that make's it even more important for ME to avoid what I can. Anyone can educate themselves on these subjects I'm not pretending to know anymore than the next mom or nurse, I just use my knowledge to benefit myself and my baby. I certainly have not said one word to indicate that I think certain people don't care about their own babies but I have expressed the personal sacrifice I choose to make for the benefit of my child. You don't have to agree with me but why the need to be such a judgmental ***?
Pot meet kettle.

Admittedly intentional!

JillianAshley6 · April 2011

MY soapbox? Seriously?! I'm not ON a soapbox! You are! I have no position on this! I'm not telling other women to drink or not drink. I'm telling them it's their decision and they need to decide for themselves-and that I wont judge them for what they decide. You aren't going to drink? Good for you. Another poster is going to have a glass of wine to celebrate their wedding anniversary? Awesome, enjoy.

And don't call me uneducated. I have a masters degree and work in medical education. Just because you are a nurse doesn't qualify you to lecture or judge others on their parenting decisions.

I hope you follow through with your promise to be done. Because you aren't getting anywhere. Notice that NO ONE here is agreeing with you.....does that maybe indicate a problem with your stance on this?

BeCubed · April 2011

So that's what a thread full of hormones sounds like!

smilelari · April 2011

Considering that a potential consequence of listeria contracted from contaminated lunch meat is fetal death, I'm much more careful about avoiding that than I am about avoiding a few sips of wine here and there after the first tri. A glass a day is a lot. A glass or two for an entire pregnancy? No big deal.

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