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upping meds = fail :(

So we tried upping meds today to see if that works and it didn't he was up at 12 and then again at 3, so tomorrow I'm going to try giving his meds later in the day and closer together to see if that helps at all.  I'm curious to know if anyone remembers or knows how much their 12 week old was eating?  J will eat about 2-3 oz at a time.  Should be he eating more than that?  No screaming crying sessions tonight yet so that is a good thing.  ugh!  Going to put him back to bed now and pray he sleeps until at least 6:30 but I'm thinking more like 5:30 we will be seeing him again.
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  • Ugh Tiff ---  I dont have much advice, but we did have some relux issues with Audrey (I havent been on much, and dont remember if thats exactly what you are dealing with or not)

    we had A on Prevacid, and it was a wonder drug for her...  we also add just a little rice cereal to the bottle to thicken a smidge...  

    Hang in there, you are certainly getting a run for your money!

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  • I've heard much better things about Prevacid then Xantac (which made DS spit up like crazy).  But waking every 3 hours at 3 months is not unusual, though frustrating.  2 oz seems kind of light, but 3 seems pretty reasonable.  Some eat more, but some eat less.
  • Madelyn didn't eat more than 3 oz in a sitting until she was close to 8 months old.  I was literally feeding her every 2 - 3 hours through the night until then (which was why we didn't cry it out until then) because she was so darned small.

    If I tried to feed her more than that, she'd cry and cry and cry. And spit it all up.

    For some reason, around 7.5 - 8 months was the turning point for us.

    I'm so, so sorry Tiff.  I know there can be a lot worse childhood illnesses, but I so feel for you right now because I've been through your particular situation and I know how exhausted you must be.

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    If I tried to feed her more than that, she'd cry and cry and cry. And spit it all up.

    This, except thankfully no crying...just projectile vomiting...and then ready to eat again. Finding the balance of what he could "hold" took us a while.

  • I'm so sorry. :(  I never had reflux issues with C, thank goodness, but even still she usually wakes in the night every 2-3 hours for food...I think some babies just need smaller, more frequent meals while other babies can go longer after "gorging."  I can't comment on ounces since I EBF but that doesn't sound especially unreasonable based on what I've heard for babies that age.  Hugs, I hope you are able to get this ironed out soon.  

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  • Did they tell you that the side effect of the meds is the opposite?  Because it is.  The girls were on it last year and it just made it worse.

    Like I said before, it sounds like he is aspirating.  My girls are silent aspirators and the only thing that cured them after they were diagnosed was food thickener, inclined position while and 15 minutes after feeding, and not moving them around much.

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  • I am a little confused, do you expect a 2month old to not be up every few hours? Regardless of your desire he's not going to sleep through the night right now. And at some point all the meds start to sound like a crutch to drug your child, something to think about.
  • Waking every 3 hours is totally normal.  I know it sucks.  But it's normal.  so if that's the only symptom he's showing now, then I'd say the meds are working for the rest of his symptoms.  Just not making him sleep longer.   

    One of the rules of thumb on how much to eat is to multiply their weight in pounds by 2.5.   So if he's 12 pounds 4 ounces, that's 12.25 pounds x 2.5 = 30.6 ounces for him to drink in a day.  If he's eating 10 times, that's 3 ounces a time.  If he's eating 6 times, that's 5 ounces a time.   I've also been told it can be somewhat less for breastmilk than formula though becuse your breastmilk changes over time to accomodate your baby's needs. 

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    Waking every 3 hours is totally normal.  I know it sucks.  But it's normal.  so if that's the only symptom he's showing now, then I'd say the meds are working for the rest of his symptoms.  Just not making him sleep longer.   

    One of the rules of thumb on how much to eat is to multiply their weight in pounds by 2.5.   So if he's 12 pounds 4 ounces, that's 12.25 pounds x 2.5 = 30.6 ounces for him to drink in a day.  If he's eating 10 times, that's 3 ounces a time.  If he's eating 6 times, that's 5 ounces a time.   I've also been told it can be somewhat less for breastmilk than formula though becuse your breastmilk changes over time to accomodate your baby's needs. 

    Ditto everything Jill said. Sorry he's not stretching out any longer.
    I've also heard of a "3 month wakeful period" -- you may be running into that as well.

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    Waking every 3 hours is totally normal.  I know it sucks.  But it's normal.  so if that's the only symptom he's showing now, then I'd say the meds are working for the rest of his symptoms.  Just not making him sleep longer.   

    One of the rules of thumb on how much to eat is to multiply their weight in pounds by 2.5.   So if he's 12 pounds 4 ounces, that's 12.25 pounds x 2.5 = 30.6 ounces for him to drink in a day.  If he's eating 10 times, that's 3 ounces a time.  If he's eating 6 times, that's 5 ounces a time.   I've also been told it can be somewhat less for breastmilk than formula though becuse your breastmilk changes over time to accomodate your baby's needs. 

    What Jill said - I know it sucks but its just where he is and might be for a good long while. Then he'll stretch back out and change again and wake again. DD only just started sleeping 6:30 - 5:30 and she's almost 14 months. It can be a long ass-haul the sleep thing particularly w/ reflux issues. A good friend has a super refluxy 10 month old and sleep has just been a roller coaster and sometimes no amount of "training" helps either (they hired a sleep trainer for $800!!!) and it still didn't fix anything. I'm not trying to be discouraging at all but rather mentally, prepare yourself for the long haul so you don't constantly feel like you're failing because you're not you're doing a great job.  You  need help so that you can get breaks and naps b/c if you get less than 3 hrs in a row, mentally you just start to shut down. I didn't get great sleepers but now we are out of the woods and you'll get there too. So so sorry!

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  • I  honestly do not remember when DD upped her intake at a feeding but I have to think that she was close to 2-3oz at this same time.  I also think it is normal to be waking as often as he is.  Ours did.  It unfortunately sucks monkey balls but some kids are better night sleepers than others.  DS just recently dropped his midnight feeding.

    Remember that it takes about 3-5 days to see a difference when you go through a med change or you change doses.  It is not immediate like it is with us.  So give it some time.  We are going through a med change right now and dose change and I do not see a dang difference but we also have some other factors.  

    Hang in there.  You have a ton on your plate right now. It will get better, I promise.  Just keep him at an incline, including at feeding.  I literally sat DD on her butt and totally upright when I fed.  No laying down except for diaper changes, and sleeping in a wedge or an elevated crib.  And the most important is to keep them upright for at least 15 mins after a feeding.  I always keep DD up for at least 35 mins but like I said we have some other factors at play.  

     

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  • Do you have a wedge?  If not, you're welcome to borrow ours. 

    Per PPs, that amout of sleep at a time sounds normal.  Is there someone you could get to come stay the night once a week, so you could get at least one solid night a week?  A mom or a friend that would come, say, Friday nights?   

     

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  • 3 months of waking up every few hours is tough.  At 3 months some babies do still wake up that frequently though, especially if they were born a little early like Jagger.  Jillian was colicky (never diagnosed with reflux) but once asleep we could get a reasonable (4-5 hour) stretch out of her at 6 weeks.  She slept swaddled in her swing swinging at full speed with white noise and a pacifier for many months.  Hayden was a pretty good sleeper by 3 months but we got paybacks by the time she was 6 months old. 

    Every baby is different.  Hopefully for your guys' sake Jagger figures it out soon.  And maybe your hubby can do some of the middle of the night feedings?  Even when I went back to work and Jeramy was staying at home, I still did at least half of the middle of the night wake-ups.  

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  • Yeah hopefully you can get a little break.  I know with Ben for a while I would feed him at, say 9, and we'd both go to bed.  Then Steve would deal with him til midnight and do that next feeding and I wouldn't have to get up til 3 for the next one and DH could sleep til 7.   So I'd get a 6 hour stretch there even if Ben didn't.   And Steve still got good enough sleep to go to work.  
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