October 2011 Moms

Anyone NOT doing a NT scan?

I am considering not having a NT scan, because I have horrible horrible insurance. And I get an ultrasound at every apt. Also, I would not ever consider terminating the pregnancy due to a health issue (unless, of course, my life was at stake). Anyway, I guess I am surprised at the number of women who are getting the NT scan and wondering if anyone else is planning to skip it?

Re: Anyone NOT doing a NT scan?

  • We opted to skip all optional screening. It would be paid for by the coverage I have, but like you said - we will have frequent sonos so if anything was blatantly wrong (like the poor babies with the bone defect where their skull doesn't form) it would easily be detected.  Otherwise, I wouldn't ever consider or even want to be put in the position to think about terminating the pregnancy.  God has a plan for everything He does....I fully believe that and trust in Him!
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  • We won't be getting it done. Our insurance company doesn't cover it and we don't have the money to pay out-of-pocket. Also like you we wouldn't terminate if something were wrong, but we would be getting it done if it was covered. It is nice to prepare if there is an issue.
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  • We do not do any NT scans or genetic testing . I would not terminate so I won't waste the time or money either.
  • I'm also skipping it.  My mom works in ultrasound for the hospital that my OB is at.  We scan this little bambino all the time.  If there were any cause for concern we would know early on.  I also would not consider terminating my pregnancy....so there is no reason!

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  • We didn't do any of the extra screens or genetic testing with DD and won't this time either. My doctor says that the results wouldn't change the way that he handles my pregnancy which was my main decision criteria.
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  • We are not getting any of the the testing done. We won't have any ultrasounds. 
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  • We opted out just for the simple reason that I won't have an amnio done.  My OB told me he would only suggest it if I'm willing to go all the way (meaning having an amnio, invasive testing, etc.)  and I'm not willing to. 

    It's in God's hands, and I'll be prepared whatever comes our way in Oct.

    ETA:  Plus, he told us there is a very high false positive rate on the initial tests.  Personally, I don't need the extra stress.

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  • I went for one but just to get an ultrasound picture since I will only get one other one at 20-22 weeks. Baby was doing headstands and wouldn't flip over so the tech couldn't get the right readings. So we left with pictures but won't be returning to try again.
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  • We are not doing one for the same reasons you have listed.  No matter what could be wrong with our baby, we would never have an abortion.  This is all in God's hands.  If there is something wrong, it will be picked up on ultrasound, or we will find out at birth and go from there.  This is our little miracle; it is perfect to us.  No testing needed.
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  • We also opted to skipped all the optional screening. Screening tests are used to divide people into lower-risk or higher-risk groups for certain problems. The advantage is that they pose little to no risk to mom or baby. The disadvantage is that they don't give you a definitive answer. IMO, there's no point in me finding out if I'm in a higher risk catergory. I don't need anything else to stress over. Diagnostic tests are more definitive. They can usually tell you for sure what's happening. But they come with higher risks, sometimes causing the miscarriage of a normal baby. I am not willing to take that risk. We'll take whatever God sends our way. 
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    We didn't do any of the extra screens or genetic testing with DD and won't this time either. My doctor says that the results wouldn't change the way that he handles my pregnancy which was my main decision criteria.

     Yes.  This is what my OB said as well.  He said regardless of the results, there is nothing he can do.  It's more for the parents to be peace of mind than anything else.

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  • Wow thanks for all the responses! I was a little worried, feeling like I was the only one who didn't want to have it done. Thanks for sharing!
  • I get a u/s at 10 and 20 weeks, thats it, an NT scan wasnt even an option for me so I guess im not getting one...
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    I get a u/s at 10 and 20 weeks, thats it, an NT scan wasnt even an option for me so I guess im not getting one...

    Me too.  This is all my doc offers.

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    Terminating is not the only reason to get this testing done. If there were a problem, I would want to know about it because it would effect where I would deliver. My hospital does not have a high level NICU. I would also want to educate myself on having a baby with potential special needs and the medical issues that can go along with it.

    It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It sounds so self-righteous.

     

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  • We aren't getting it done. Our OB never even mentioned it as an option. But I'm not too worried about it.

    I've had several health issues during this pregnancy (my first) and we got our first ultrasound at 10weeks (due to being so busy at the other hospitals, never had an opportunity to get into the OB). I will be having surgery at 13weeks to have my gallbladder out along with a couple biopsies and will be having another ultrasound at that time through the hospital that is doing the surgeries (not my OB). And then my OB told me to set up my next appt. with him at the beginning of May, which will put me at 15weeks, and out of the running for an NT.

    Wow, that turned out long... But yes, I was surprised at how many people are getting the NT scan too... I DO love seeing all the pictures though!!

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  • We did not do the NT and we only get one u/s at 18 weeks.
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    Terminating is not the only reason to get this testing done. If there were a problem, I would want to know about it because it would effect where I would deliver. My hospital does not have a high level NICU. I would also want to educate myself on having a baby with potential special needs and the medical issues that can go along with it.

    It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It sounds so self-righteous.

     

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    This. Doing the NT or genetic screening has nothing to do with termination or not for many parents. I want to have the ability to better plan to meet my baby's needs - whatever they may be.

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  • We will not be doing the NT scan either. It won't change anything, and I certainly would not think about terminating if there were a problem. My doctor said the same thing about the false positives and stuff. So I would rather wait and see than scare myself. Either way, we will love LO. God has a plan for everyone. We are just happy he is blessing us with a baby. :]
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  • imageaandg:

    Terminating is not the only reason to get this testing done. If there were a problem, I would want to know about it because it would effect where I would deliver. My hospital does not have a high level NICU. I would also want to educate myself on having a baby with potential special needs and the medical issues that can go along with it.

    It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It sounds so self-righteous.

     

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    This. Also if God forbid there is something horribly wrong with the baby that would involve medical expenses beyond birth (especially long term) or would require me to not be able to work anymore I would like to also be more financially prepared and aware and to be able to research whatever it is might be wrong with my baby. There are certain things that can be picked up on the NT that might not be seen with a regular u/s or at the anatomy scan.

    Having an NT scan doesn't (usually aside from OP whose Dr said it) require you to do further testing or to have an abortion so I don't know why people always say "then what's the point" The point is to be as informed as possible about your pregnancy. If your insurance doesn't cover it, fair enough but I hate that people use the "I hate abortion" excuse.

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    I get a u/s at 10 and 20 weeks, thats it, an NT scan wasnt even an option for me so I guess im not getting one...

    Me too.  This is all my doc offers.

    Me three!  They do an early dating u/s and the anatomy u/s around 20 weeks, that's it as far as I know. 

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  • My doc recommended it so that we will be well prepared for delivery if baby has special needs and there needs to be a specialist present or if surgery needs to happen right after birth. I would never consider termination based on the results though.
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  • imageaandg:

    Terminating is not the only reason to get this testing done. If there were a problem, I would want to know about it because it would effect where I would deliver. My hospital does not have a high level NICU. I would also want to educate myself on having a baby with potential special needs and the medical issues that can go along with it.

    It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It sounds so self-righteous.

     

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  • We opted out of the NT scan.  I definitely don't need the extra stress, and the chance of a false positive bumps down the accuracy.  We would never terminate anyway.  I just feel blessed to be pregnant!  :0)
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  • We opted out, too. No worries. I didn't even know what an NT scan was when my DD was born. Like you, we wouldn't terminate no matter what.
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    imageaandg:

    Terminating is not the only reason to get this testing done. If there were a problem, I would want to know about it because it would effect where I would deliver. My hospital does not have a high level NICU. I would also want to educate myself on having a baby with potential special needs and the medical issues that can go along with it.

    It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It sounds so self-righteous.

     

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    This. Doing the NT or genetic screening has nothing to do with termination or not for many parents. I want to have the ability to better plan to meet my baby's needs - whatever they may be.

    This! And what Lopes said as well!

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  • We're not doing it, either. Our OB said the rate of false positives is 10%, and if we weren't going to terminate based on the results, she suggested we skip (also most insurances around here don't cover it). So, we're not doing it (we didn't do it last time either). She did say they'd be able to see if there were issues at our 20 week ultrasound.
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  • I am not doing it. It would be mostly covered, but I am still opting to not do it. I didn't do it with DD and I don't want to this time either.
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  • We have opted out, mainly because we didn't see my OB until I was 11 weeks and felt we didn't have enough time to really research and make an educated decision in time to get an appointment for the 1st tri screening. My OB told me that if we opted out of the screenings, it was okay...that many times there are visible signs she will see during my 20 week ultrasound that could give us warning.  That was enough for us, so we didn't explore it further.

    To me, this is a very personal decision and no side is better than the other. Everyone has to do what is right for THEM.

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    imageaandg:

    Terminating is not the only reason to get this testing done. If there were a problem, I would want to know about it because it would effect where I would deliver. My hospital does not have a high level NICU. I would also want to educate myself on having a baby with potential special needs and the medical issues that can go along with it.

    It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It sounds so self-righteous.

     

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    This. Doing the NT or genetic screening has nothing to do with termination or not for many parents. I want to have the ability to better plan to meet my baby's needs - whatever they may be.

    This! And what Lopes said as well!

    Totally agree. After detecting Trisomy in one of my last pregnancies I couldnt NOT do the scan. Its not about being scared or unnecessary worry, its about knowing as much about my baby's health and development as possible. And this post gives me all the more reason to:

    https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/51567923.aspx

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    imageaandg:

    Terminating is not the only reason to get this testing done. If there were a problem, I would want to know about it because it would effect where I would deliver. My hospital does not have a high level NICU. I would also want to educate myself on having a baby with potential special needs and the medical issues that can go along with it.

    It drives me crazy when people use this argument. It sounds so self-righteous.

     

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    This. Doing the NT or genetic screening has nothing to do with termination or not for many parents. I want to have the ability to better plan to meet my baby's needs - whatever they may be.

    Agree!!

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  • I feel like I'm stuck in the movie Groundhog Day on this discussion. What I've learned is:

    1) Those not doing the scan sometimes use the "I would never terminate" argument even though that is SO not the point, as PP wisely said, and I'm pretty sure they haven't fully considered WHY someone would be faced with that choice - like a someone who had to post on the board tonight with terribly upsetting news. 

    2) Those not doing the scan who use the false positive rate reasoning did not really sit down and do the math. I'm happy to re-explain it again, I did it on a post over the weekend, and the numbers are really not as misleading or staggering as one would think, in fact, quite the opposite. Same with additional testing. Really, I'm no statistician, but the attaching to one single scary number is NOT the way to look at this.

    3) Those not doing the scan sometimes have OBs who didn't recommend it. That floors me too. I don't even know what to do with that. I guess if I had an OB who didn't recommend something that is pretty widely done, I'd probably be seeking a second opinion.

     Bottom line, this discussion is so tired by now. But ladies, IT IS NOT ABOUT TERMINATION. It's about information, FFS.

    You need to do what is right for your family, but the stories of learning about fatal issues later on to tragic end just make me wonder why one wouldn't want to know that early on, whatever you choose to do with the information.

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  • my doctor never discussed it with us, so I didn't get one
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  • My insurance does cover it but we are not doing it.  I wouldn't terminate the pregnancy anyhow so I don't see a point.
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  • We are not. My OB didn't say anything about it, but I have no intention on switching to a different OB because of it. My insurance wouldn't cover it anyway. Yes, it would be nice to know if anything was wrong, but I trust God and I know His will won't be changed, NT scan or not.
  • for those that wouldnt terminate, did you read "well I guess I am out" post about 5 -7 up from this one?

    just wondering.

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    I feel like I'm stuck in the movie Groundhog Day on this discussion. What I've learned is:

    *snip*

    Bottom line, this discussion is so tired by now. But ladies, IT IS NOT ABOUT TERMINATION. It's about information, FFS.

    You need to do what is right for your family, but the stories of learning about fatal issues later on to tragic end just make me wonder why one wouldn't want to know that early on, whatever you choose to do with the information.

    I completely agree with your whole post, but kept the quote to the points I agree with the most.  This topic has come up repeatedly over the past few weeks and we always wind up circling the same issues.  For those that choose not to do it because your insurance doesn't cover it or your doctor didn't offer it - fine.  If you choose not to do it just because you would not terminate - again, it is NOT just about whether you would terminate!!  It is about knowing as much as you can about how your baby is developing.

    Because it can't be said enough - it is not about termination, it's about information!

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    We are not. My OB didn't say anything about it, but I have no intention on switching to a different OB because of it. My insurance wouldn't cover it anyway. Yes, it would be nice to know if anything was wrong, but I trust God and I know His will won't be changed, NT scan or not.

    I like this!  Just because a doctor doesn't discuss it with you and make it a choice doesn't mean the doc is not a good one.  It would be nice to be educated, but it's not the end of the world to not have an NT scan. 

    I am 38, almost 39 having my first baby.  This means that I have had MANY friends and a sister have many babies in the past 15 years of my life.  Never once in all the conception, pregnancy, baby talk (which has been on overload for the past 10 years) did anyone ever say, make sure you get an NT scan. 

    Like I said previously, I did not have a choice, but this doesn't mean I need to shop for another doc or question his professionalism.  I did research before choosing him, and I still am confident in his abilities.

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    imageMiss Shasta:
    We are not. My OB didn't say anything about it, but I have no intention on switching to a different OB because of it. My insurance wouldn't cover it anyway. Yes, it would be nice to know if anything was wrong, but I trust God and I know His will won't be changed, NT scan or not.

    I like this!  Just because a doctor doesn't discuss it with you and make it a choice doesn't mean the doc is not a good one.  It would be nice to be educated, but it's not the end of the world to not have an NT scan. 

    I am 38, almost 39 having my first baby.  This means that I have had MANY friends and a sister have many babies in the past 15 years of my life.  Never once in all the conception, pregnancy, baby talk (which has been on overload for the past 10 years) did anyone ever say, make sure you get an NT scan. 

    Like I said previously, I did not have a choice, but this doesn't mean I need to shop for another doc or question his professionalism.  I did research before choosing him, and I still am confident in his abilities.

    I am completely baffled as to why you have not been offered the NT Scan, particularly because you are of Advanced Maternal Age, therefore being of increased risk for chromosomal abnormalities.  I take serious issue with you doctor not educating you on the risks and offering you this scan.

     

    I am baffled too. I cant believe the doctor didnt offer that based on age alone. Scary. Like PP said, its not about termination or God's will, yadda yadda yadda. Its about KNOWLEDGE. Makes me think some of these folks saying "its in God's hands" are a little young and uninformed about what this testing is for. It just seems so ignorant to me to not have as much information about your baby as you possibly can, healthy or unhealthy

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