I have a SD who is 8. We've had her in therapy both psychologist and psychiatrist -- they first dx her with ADHD, then it was ODD, then it was adjustment disorder.. then they put her on prozac which worked for about 3 weeks then it stopped (we even upped the dose) and we are just having a horrible time with her!!!
She has explosive fits, outragious stories, she never sleeps through the night - she is always wakign us up at 4:00 am with bad dreams which is an excessive every day thing.
Other than her emotional level -- she seems quite "normal" if thats a good word to use. She does pretty good at school (although, lately getting in trouble for cheating) - but I noticed she doesn't have many friends..
Im worried because she has obsessions easily - like belongings (her dad got rid of an old couch and she freaked out) -- she has VERY many stuffed animals and takes them very seriously .. She is 8!
My biggest concern was yesterday.. she got in trouble for cheating and she got sent to VP's office and she has no remorse for what she did.. she just doesn't want to get "caught" again -- and then last night she had an outragious fit over absolutely nothing and when I stared at her -- her pupils were the size of quarters (and she was NOT on any drugs.. not even prozac) -- so I googled large pupils and Asperger's syndrome came up -- and everything I read fit her to a T
How does she get diagnosed with this? What is the main symptom i'd be looking for? I mean.. on the surface she seems like a completely normal kid to everyone except for her father and I -- which leads me to believe it is behavioral.. but I just don't know?
I am no expert or anything when it comes to Aspergers, but my son has on the autism spectrum so I know my fair share about it. And there are probably others here who know more than I do. But what you are describing does not sound like Aspergers, or any other autism spectrum disorder to me. The biggest thing that catches my eye is the cheating and story telling. Children with autism spectrum disorders generally have a difficult time breaking rules, so the ability to cheat and tell tall stories is something usually considered high functioning for these disorders. Also, if your daughter has been seen by both psychologists and psychiatrists, I am pretty certain they would have seen it as a possible autism spectrum disorder if it were Aspergers. And I have never heard of wide pupils associated with Aspergers
Ditto tinypink, autistic kiddos rarely ever lie. So, cheating and story telling would be an extremely difficult thing for them. They just see things black and white, there is no grey area, those more socially acceptable areas where sometimes honesty is not always the best policy, just doesn't make sense to asd kids.
I use to work with kids when I was in college that had a range of behavioral disorders from bi-polar, ADHD, ODD, depression, or suffered from past physical/emotional/sexual abuse. Something does sound off with your SD, I just don't think it is ASD. Do some research on Conduct disorder and bi-polar. ADHD is a common comorbid with those as well.
Have you looked into getting a second opinion from another professional?
My son can definitely lie, tattle, cheat and manipulate and he has ASD.
Granted, he admits it fairly quickly once you start pressing on him, but he can definitely lie (he also plays us parents against each other and says one of us let him do something when it's not true at all). Once we catch him, he tries to play it off: "oh, I was just joking." or something like that.
As far as cheating, they had a standardized district test in kindie a few weeks ago and I volunteered that day. I totally saw him looking at his neighbor's stuff and comparing answers. He tried to be sneaky about it, too and he knew it wasn't right. I mean, he wasn't the only one, they were all doing it, but I'm just trying to point out that in this sense, my child is no different.
SD erased her name from 2 different tests (on 2 different occasions) and switched it with other children. When asked by the VP - she didn't deny it whatsoever - she said, yes I did it and couldn't say why. She came home, when we asked - she lied and said.. it wasn't a test -- it was 2 papers.. which means, she technically didn't lie but she for sure was trying to make the crime seem less punishable.
I'm not sure what to do with SD. Backstory -- her mother was an alcoholic (DH said that she did NOT drink or Smoke while she was pregnant with SD) -- but she left for good 3 years ago. From my understanding, SD has always had some behavioral issues - but have recently gotten worst - such as hitting and threatning and she one time threatened to kill me. She almost has no emotions whatsoever during her rages which is what concerns me. After a rage, we calm her down and she will either go take a shower or play in her room and she will sing and have a blast as if the fit never took place -- which her Dad and I will be fuming trying to work off our steam. It's almost as if she has no fight or flight response -- she flips and then everything is fine. She will say she is sorry, but it always is in more of a child like .. "oh, lets forget it ever happened" which is very abusive and I would really like to break her of this before she gets any older and can really hurt someone.
The therapist we go to works with her, but more often than not - after her therapy sessions she comes home and reacts. I wish she would react at the office so that someone could possibly see what is happening.
I'm mostly concerned with her reaction to her rages. If I were to go out and have a BF as I call it -- (Big Fit) -- I would be probably trembling from adrenaline, teeth clinching, you know .. physical stressers. She doesn't have this -- she has the big pupils.. but honestly, it is as if she is excited -- like she is about to go on an amusement ride versus angry! Do you think there are possible emotional disorders out there that can cause a confused sense of reaction?
I do not mean this as a snark, but I would recommend that you see a specialist about your feelings. You need to take care of yourself, and right now reading your post I am concerned with how you see your role in the relationship with SD. Specifically, the way you react to her behavior is not productive for either of you.
My son can definitely lie, tattle, cheat and manipulate and he has ASD.
Granted, he admits it fairly quickly once you start pressing on him, but he can definitely lie (he also plays us parents against each other and says one of us let him do something when it's not true at all). Once we catch him, he tries to play it off: "oh, I was just joking." or something like that.
As far as cheating, they had a standardized district test in kindie a few weeks ago and I volunteered that day. I totally saw him looking at his neighbor's stuff and comparing answers. He tried to be sneaky about it, too and he knew it wasn't right. I mean, he wasn't the only one, they were all doing it, but I'm just trying to point out that in this sense, my child is no different.
I absolutely agree with this! My younger brother and sister have Aspergers and they have no problems lying or dramatizing things to work in their favor.
Re: Asperger's syndrome
I have a SD who is 8. We've had her in therapy both psychologist and psychiatrist -- they first dx her with ADHD, then it was ODD, then it was adjustment disorder.. then they put her on prozac which worked for about 3 weeks then it stopped (we even upped the dose) and we are just having a horrible time with her!!!
She has explosive fits, outragious stories, she never sleeps through the night - she is always wakign us up at 4:00 am with bad dreams which is an excessive every day thing.
Other than her emotional level -- she seems quite "normal" if thats a good word to use. She does pretty good at school (although, lately getting in trouble for cheating) - but I noticed she doesn't have many friends..
Im worried because she has obsessions easily - like belongings (her dad got rid of an old couch and she freaked out) -- she has VERY many stuffed animals and takes them very seriously .. She is 8!
My biggest concern was yesterday.. she got in trouble for cheating and she got sent to VP's office and she has no remorse for what she did.. she just doesn't want to get "caught" again -- and then last night she had an outragious fit over absolutely nothing and when I stared at her -- her pupils were the size of quarters (and she was NOT on any drugs.. not even prozac) -- so I googled large pupils and Asperger's syndrome came up -- and everything I read fit her to a T
How does she get diagnosed with this? What is the main symptom i'd be looking for? I mean.. on the surface she seems like a completely normal kid to everyone except for her father and I -- which leads me to believe it is behavioral.. but I just don't know?
Ditto tinypink, autistic kiddos rarely ever lie. So, cheating and story telling would be an extremely difficult thing for them. They just see things black and white, there is no grey area, those more socially acceptable areas where sometimes honesty is not always the best policy, just doesn't make sense to asd kids.
I use to work with kids when I was in college that had a range of behavioral disorders from bi-polar, ADHD, ODD, depression, or suffered from past physical/emotional/sexual abuse. Something does sound off with your SD, I just don't think it is ASD. Do some research on Conduct disorder and bi-polar. ADHD is a common comorbid with those as well.
Have you looked into getting a second opinion from another professional?
I disagree with PP's.
My son can definitely lie, tattle, cheat and manipulate and he has ASD.
Granted, he admits it fairly quickly once you start pressing on him, but he can definitely lie (he also plays us parents against each other and says one of us let him do something when it's not true at all). Once we catch him, he tries to play it off: "oh, I was just joking." or something like that.
As far as cheating, they had a standardized district test in kindie a few weeks ago and I volunteered that day. I totally saw him looking at his neighbor's stuff and comparing answers. He tried to be sneaky about it, too and he knew it wasn't right. I mean, he wasn't the only one, they were all doing it, but I'm just trying to point out that in this sense, my child is no different.
SD erased her name from 2 different tests (on 2 different occasions) and switched it with other children. When asked by the VP - she didn't deny it whatsoever - she said, yes I did it and couldn't say why. She came home, when we asked - she lied and said.. it wasn't a test -- it was 2 papers.. which means, she technically didn't lie but she for sure was trying to make the crime seem less punishable.
I'm not sure what to do with SD. Backstory -- her mother was an alcoholic (DH said that she did NOT drink or Smoke while she was pregnant with SD) -- but she left for good 3 years ago. From my understanding, SD has always had some behavioral issues - but have recently gotten worst - such as hitting and threatning and she one time threatened to kill me. She almost has no emotions whatsoever during her rages which is what concerns me. After a rage, we calm her down and she will either go take a shower or play in her room and she will sing and have a blast as if the fit never took place -- which her Dad and I will be fuming trying to work off our steam. It's almost as if she has no fight or flight response -- she flips and then everything is fine. She will say she is sorry, but it always is in more of a child like .. "oh, lets forget it ever happened" which is very abusive and I would really like to break her of this before she gets any older and can really hurt someone.
The therapist we go to works with her, but more often than not - after her therapy sessions she comes home and reacts. I wish she would react at the office so that someone could possibly see what is happening.
I'm mostly concerned with her reaction to her rages. If I were to go out and have a BF as I call it -- (Big Fit) -- I would be probably trembling from adrenaline, teeth clinching, you know .. physical stressers. She doesn't have this -- she has the big pupils.. but honestly, it is as if she is excited -- like she is about to go on an amusement ride versus angry! Do you think there are possible emotional disorders out there that can cause a confused sense of reaction?
I do not mean this as a snark, but I would recommend that you see a specialist about your feelings. You need to take care of yourself, and right now reading your post I am concerned with how you see your role in the relationship with SD. Specifically, the way you react to her behavior is not productive for either of you.
Again, I mean this with respect. GL!
I absolutely agree with this! My younger brother and sister have Aspergers and they have no problems lying or dramatizing things to work in their favor.