This mother is an idiot (from Toddlers 12-24)

NewMrs07 · February 2011

https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/49403147.aspx

This just blows my mind... in a very bad way Angry

carladillon · February 2011

"Boy, that escalated quickly...."

Ron Burgundy from "Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy"

If I've learned anything over these past couple years, it's that the "vaccine" discussion is pretty much like discussing religion or politic - it never goes well, people always get very emotional about it, and it usually ends with insulting each other. And in the end - nobody has changed their mind.

BrideBuddies · February 2011

Pretty sure this was a Simpsons episode once. Maggie got the pox so Homer charged admission to her Pox Party.

Daisiesinmygarden · February 2011

Man, I had the chicken pox when I was little and it was horrible. I was deathly ill for weeks. AND to make matters even worse, my mom had used up all her sick leave taking care of my brother the week before - so I had to stay with my grandfather on the couch while he watched WWE wrestling all day. Suffice it to say, I was praying for death and I had my oldest LOs in like for the immunization as soon as it came out.

fauxshelley · February 2011

Yeah, I don't understand why a parent would intentionally expose their child to a disease that would at the very least make them sick and miserable for a week or so. Even if they choose not to vaccinate, why would someone try to make their kid ill? Why not let it happen when/if it natually happens?

On another note, I saw a discussion on fb where a girl straight up refused to get her child vaccinated. Nothing, no vaccines. Period. Not only that, but she said she wouldn't let her kid be around vaccinated people because of the "shedding". That was really a stupid thing to say since the woman had been vaccinated herself. I'm not really sure how she plans on keeping her child away from all vaccinated people since everyone else in her family (whom she and the child live with) has been vaccinated too. Confused

daisydana · February 2011

No comment on her choice. We will get all necessary vaccines. I try not to judge anyone else. I had the chicken pox when I was a sophomore in high school. While my parents were on vacation. Worst week ever!

kimisuejoia · February 2011

Her decision to not vaccinate is her own, and had she actually done the research then it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. HOWEVER, her decision to willingly expose her small child to a dangerous disease is asinine!

I got the cp when I was 17, and both my parents have had the shingles, L will not be facing that torture if I can help it!

ridesbuttons · February 2011

carladillon:

"Boy, that escalated quickly...."

Ron Burgundy from "Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy"

If I've learned anything over these past couple years, it's that the "vaccine" discussion is pretty much like discussing religion or politic - it never goes well, people always get very emotional about it, and it usually ends with insulting each other. And in the end - nobody has changed their mind.

Yup. Henry Higgins would not approve of vaccine talk.

robynlesley · February 2011

I don't want to judge re: a decision to not vaccinate for chicken pox, but I think deliberately exposing a 13-month-old to the virus is irresponsible.

BrideBuddies · February 2011

I'm not going to put my toes into this debate, either. If a parent has done their research and truly believes that is the best thing for their child, so be it. That's your choice.

I had the pox at a very young age because my sister got them in kindergarten. My parents didn't do much to prevent me from getting them, but they didn't go sticking me up against my sister to get me sick! I do think if they get it when they're fairly young, it's probably a better thing. But 13 months is too freakin' young.

I do have one friend that will not have her child vaccinated for anything. She was born in another country where vaccinations are not Standard Operating Procedure and says she intends to raise her child the same way.

All I'm sayin'--Your child is not being raised in a bubble. He will come in contact with other people, some of whom are carrying dieseases and germs.

lynnshey · February 2011

I never weigh into this debate either - not sure if we know all of the info we need to make a decision either way. But it is interesting how things change over the years....

My oldest (who is 18 now) was exposed to cp five times and never caught it. We suspected he wouldn't since his dad never had it. This was before the vaccine, so the doctor encouraged us to expose him since it would be better to get it earlier than later in life. We were encouraged to have him visit children with cp while he was in Kindergaren and 1st grade - but no luck. Since he never got it, we got him the vaccine when it was available to decrease the severity of cp. To date, he has never caught it.

S will get the vaccine when she is able to unless our doctor recommends that she doesn't.

I do know someone who had done the research and will not vaccinate her little girl for anything - she would rather take the risk. I hope that decision works out well for the LO's sake. But it does make me nervous to have S around her - not sure if that is irrational or not.......

stever · February 2011

robynlesley:
I don't want to judge re: a decision to not vaccinate for chicken pox, but I think deliberately exposing a 13-month-old to the virus is irresponsible.

This.

I vaccinated M but was kind of "meh" about it. I had the chicken pox when I was in 2nd grade and it wasn't that bad, but I understand that it CAN be bad - hence me wanting to vaccinate M.

That said, even if I decided not to vax M because of my benign experience with CP I can't imagine going out of my way to expose him to it now.And, I mean, that OP's rationale of him having it before "he's in school or can scratch the pox." WTF? Does her child not have hands???

fauxshelley · February 2011

I'll judge. All day long. I think it is irresponsible to not get a child vaccinated. IMO, this is no different than parents who don't believe in doctors and think God will heal their child without medical intervention. Ignorant and irresponsible. Religous beliefs should not come before the welfare of your child. Delay if you want to, but at least get them immunized. That's my unpopular opinion of the day.

robynlesley · February 2011

Shelley, I don't disagree... but at the same point there have been valid reasons to not vaccinate based on health (allergies to components in a vaccine). I think people who don't vaccinate are taking others' lives into their own hands. But in this case, I was trying to go beyond the whole debate and focus on a mother seriously considering exposing her baby to a dangerous virus/illness. I re-read the thread and her LO is only 12 months and 1 week!

gimmietimmies · February 2011

fauxshelley:
I'll judge. All day long. I think it is irresponsible to not get a child vaccinated. IMO, this is no different than parents who don't believe in doctors and think God will heal their child without medical intervention. Ignorant and irresponsible. Religous beliefs should not come before the welfare of your child. Delay if you want to, but at least get them immunized. That's my unpopular opinion of the day.

No flames here...I agree with you. Varicella in subsequent infections has a high risk of necrotizing faciitis. Been there, done that, no t-shirt or frequent flyer points though. And my personal pet peeve is when the pox party kids show up at school and infect other kids (like L...5 admissions and counting on this disease alone).

ETA - I have personally witness children who have been permanently altered by this disease....and one who died (normal immunity, about 15 months old). I know people have differing views on immunizations, but I think deliberately exposing a child that young is a bit like playing Russian Roulette with the outcome. Chicken pox doesn't usually have lasting effects on people, the guessing game comes in where you don't know who is going to be the one that gets the bad reaction. No, we don't live in a bubble, but part of community health is protecting the community. Most of us are extremely lucky not to get the disease, but we have no idea who we've infected as carriers. I'm kinda tired of hospital admissions. But, to each their own, it is a personal choice. ::jumps off soapbox::

SFAug07 · February 2011

I feel so sorry for her little boy. He looks so sweet in the picture and I can only imagine him getting sick with chicken pox now.

NewMrs07 · February 2011

Although I shouldn't have called her an "idiot", that was a bit harsh of me (I'm PMSing, lol), I have to agree with Shelley. I did research on vaccines and I spread them out so LO wouldn't have 4 at once when he was a newborn, but he's been getting all of them, including the flu shot.

That mom did post again though, and she's not going to expose her son to CP after all. I think her response was very mature and I respect her for it. Here's the link (sorry, I don't know how to make it clicky):

https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/49433918.aspx

SFAug07 · February 2011

I'm so glad she changed her mind. I've been thinking of the poor little guy getting the chicken pox.

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