widmer jury reached a verdict

hannah&ben · February 2011

holy crap, that was fast.... and now we wait.

Moesten · February 2011

Holy crap - I was just coming to post the very same thing. Waiting, waiting. I have the TV on and the laptop refreshing Travis' blog...

jenn1981 · February 2011

i was just about to post this! thank god i'm still at work. i'm freaking out! we're carrying it live on our TV station and on the blog www.wlwt.com

stillwaiting12 · February 2011

Damn... you ladies are FAST! I just got the notification on my phone as I was opening this. So much for the AT&T commercials advertising how I would get the memo before the next person.

That was pretty quick though.

hannah&ben · February 2011

oh.my.gosh.

Moesten · February 2011

Guilty of murder

Wow.

mrs.dilligaf · February 2011

That is so wrong.

Meg41208 · February 2011

cincinnati.com still hasn't updated. slowpokes.

Traycee1242 · February 2011

I'm really disgusted. What an injustice.

Moesten · February 2011

Sara and Rachel are going to be pissed. Yikes. I don't know if I am surprised or not with this outcome. I think this case has been impossible to predict. I don't think anyone has been able to accurately predict what would happen in this case just like they don't know what really happened in the Widmer house that night.

hannah&ben · February 2011

i don't know how i feel about his conversation with the judge... that was weird.

sistrkate · February 2011

hannah&ben:
i don't know how i feel about his conversation with the judge... that was weird.

Agreed. I don't think he seemed "not guilty" in that moment.

vbmeg · February 2011

Traycee1242:
I'm really disgusted. What an injustice.

This exactly. I'm sick to my stomach.

Moesten · February 2011

Hannah - I totally agree. He opened his statement by saying his life had been ruined. Guilty or innocent it isn't going to get him any fans, kwim? That's just how people are, they are going to feel it was in poor taste that the first thing he mentions is his life being ruined rather than talking about Sarah first.

Ttimes3 · February 2011

sistrkate:

hannah&ben:
i don't know how i feel about his conversation with the judge... that was weird.

Agreed. I don't think he seemed "not guilty" in that moment.

What conversation? Please share with those of us (okay, me) who haven't followed any of it. kthnx!

MrsFoltz · February 2011

hannah&ben:
i don't know how i feel about his conversation with the judge... that was weird.

What was the conversation, I missed the live reading of the verdict.

PirateGirl04 · February 2011

I'm crying. I feel like I know they guy! I can't believe it!

mizbiz · February 2011

sistrkate:

hannah&ben:
i don't know how i feel about his conversation with the judge... that was weird.

Agreed. I don't think he seemed "not guilty" in that moment.

What happened with the judge? I've only been casually following this until today.

PirateGirl04 · February 2011

dup post

Traycee1242 · February 2011

Moesten:
Sara and Rachel are going to be pissed. Yikes. I don't know if I am surprised or not with this outcome. I think this case has been impossible to predict. I don't think anyone has been able to accurately predict what would happen in this case just like they don't know what really happened in the Widmer house that night.

This is exactly WHY he should have been found not guilty. Reasonable doubt... I just don't see how they could have come to this conclusion.

PirateGirl04 · February 2011

Traycee1242:
Moesten:
Sara and Rachel are going to be pissed. Yikes. I don't know if I am surprised or not with this outcome. I think this case has been impossible to predict. I don't think anyone has been able to accurately predict what would happen in this case just like they don't know what really happened in the Widmer house that night.
This is exactly WHY he should have been found not guilty. Reasonable doubt... I just don't see how they could have come to this conclusion.

Agreed! There was so much reasonable doubt!

sistrkate · February 2011

Moesten:
Hannah - I totally agree. He opened his statement by saying his life had been ruined. Guilty or innocent it isn't going to get him any fans, kwim? That's just how people are, they are going to feel it was in poor taste that the first thing he mentions is his life being ruined rather than talking about Sarah first.

The conversation was pretty much this, what Moesten said. He had an opportunity to address the judge/court to make a statement, similar as he did after the guilty verdict in the first trial. The first thing he said was, "I did not do this. I don't understand why this has to keep going on, it's been 2.5 years and my life has been ruined." Then he said he loved Sarah and would never hurt her.

I didn't believe he was guilty of murder, but the statement to the judge didn't come off good.

l_kristina · February 2011

vbmeg:
Traycee1242:

I'm really disgusted. What an injustice.

This exactly. I'm sick to my stomach.

yup, smh

sara401 · February 2011

vbmeg:
Traycee1242:
I'm really disgusted. What an injustice.

This exactly. I'm sick to my stomach.

Unfreaking believable.

sara401 · February 2011

sistrkate:
Moesten:
Hannah - I totally agree. He opened his statement by saying his life had been ruined. Guilty or innocent it isn't going to get him any fans, kwim? That's just how people are, they are going to feel it was in poor taste that the first thing he mentions is his life being ruined rather than talking about Sarah first.
The conversation was pretty much this, what Moesten said. He had an opportunity to address the judge/court to make a statement, similar as he did after the guilty verdict in the first trial. The first thing he said was, "I did not do this. I don't understand why this has to keep going on, it's been 2.5 years and my life has been ruined." Then he said he loved Sarah and would never hurt her.
I didn't believe he was guilty of murder, but the statement to the judge didn't come off good.

You can't judge anything anyone says after be convicted of a murder he very possibly didn't commit. Just my opinion, obviously.

Moesten · February 2011

sara401:
sistrkate:
Moesten:
Hannah - I totally agree. He opened his statement by saying his life had been ruined. Guilty or innocent it isn't going to get him any fans, kwim? That's just how people are, they are going to feel it was in poor taste that the first thing he mentions is his life being ruined rather than talking about Sarah first.
The conversation was pretty much this, what Moesten said. He had an opportunity to address the judge/court to make a statement, similar as he did after the guilty verdict in the first trial. The first thing he said was, "I did not do this. I don't understand why this has to keep going on, it's been 2.5 years and my life has been ruined." Then he said he loved Sarah and would never hurt her.
I didn't believe he was guilty of murder, but the statement to the judge didn't come off good.

You can't judge anything anyone says after be convicted of a murder he very possibly didn't commit. Just my opinion, obviously.

I'm not judging him for it. I am just saying it will strike people funny just as the 911 call did. None of us can predict how we would act in those situations but people have a tendency to judge how others act in those situations. That is human nature.

I hope people don't mistake my observations as a position on the case. I am pretty certain I have never written "I think he is ______" anywhere. Just to be clear. Making some observations isn't stating my beliefs about his guilt or innocence.

robnnoel · February 2011

I have to say that I am not shocked that it came back quilty of murder, mainly because of the outcomes of the other two trials. I personally really dont have a position on whether he is guilty or not because I have not heard all the evidence or have not followed the trial 100% and of course I was not in that house that night. But I do wonder why, and maybe someone can shed some light on this question, why he did not testify. I feel like if that was me there for a third trial and have been found guilty once before and almost another time, I would have been up there begging for my life and for them to believe that I did not do it.

Moesten · February 2011

robnnoel:
I have to say that I am not shocked that it came back quilty of murder, mainly because of the outcomes of the other two trials. I personally really dont have a position on whether he is guilty or not because I have not heard all the evidence or have not followed the trial 100% and of course I was not in that house that night. But I do wonder why, and maybe someone can shed some light on this question, why he did not testify. I feel like if that was me there for a third trial and have been found guilty once before and almost another time, I would have been up there begging for my life and for them to believe that I did not do it.

Hopefully one of our legal ladies will pop in here to answer this question eloquently but I can tell you what I know.

Most defendants don't testify - guilty or innocent. It is the prosecution who labors under the burden of proof. The defense doesn't have to prove anything. All they have to do is poke enough holes in prosecution theories to create reasonable doubt. It is the prosecution who has to take a completely innocent person and convince 12 people that that person absolutely committed a crime. A jury should always assume a defendant is not guilty until they are completely convinced by the weight of evidence. Therefore no defendant should ever be in the position of having to beg for one's life.

robnnoel · February 2011

Moesten:
robnnoel:

I have to say that I am not shocked that it came back quilty of murder, mainly because of the outcomes of the other two trials. I personally really dont have a position on whether he is guilty or not because I have not heard all the evidence or have not followed the trial 100% and of course I was not in that house that night. But I do wonder why, and maybe someone can shed some light on this question, why he did not testify. I feel like if that was me there for a third trial and have been found guilty once before and almost another time, I would have been up there begging for my life and for them to believe that I did not do it.

Hopefully one of our legal ladies will pop in here to answer this question eloquently but I can tell you what I know.

Most defendants don't testify - guilty or innocent. It is the prosecution who labors under the burden of proof. The defense doesn't have to prove anything. All they have to do is poke enough holes in prosecution theories to create reasonable doubt. It is the prosecution who has to take a completely innocent person and convince 12 people that that person absolutely committed a crime. A jury should always assume a defendant is not guilty until they are completely convinced by the weight of evidence. Therefore no defendant should ever be in the position of having to beg for one's life.

Right, I understand the legal reasoning of this and I assume his attorneys thought it was in his best interest not to testify, I just keep thinking that if it was me in that position, knowing what has happened in the last two trials, I would probably want to get up there and say I didnt do it. But then again I really dont know what I would do if I was in that position. "Beg for my life" was just a figure of speech, but thats what I think of because he was already found guilty once and almost a second time. This is one of those trials that I have to say I really dont know how I feel about it, and I usually have a strong opinion on things. Smile I think its crazy, if they prove he didnt it beyond a reasonable doubt, he shouldnt of been found guilty.

MJHershey · February 2011

That's bullsh*t.

Wow. Verdict by gut reaction, jurors? This should have been taken out of this city with the third trial since all the jurors have heard of it by now.

jerseygirl81 · February 2011

MJLab78:
This should have been taken out of this city with the third trial since all the jurors have heard of it by now.

A-freaking-men.

addslove · February 2011

I think I'm over the shock and have moved on to disbelief. And if the reports are correct as to some of the reasons as to why the jury convicted him, I have even less faith in my "peers" than ever before.

trickeytricky · February 2011

So what I've read is they all went on gut reaction . . . that's nice. Once they noticed they all turned in a guilty vote did they just hit the buzzer or did they discuss if they were voting on speculation w/ the possibility of reasonable doubt.

I hope I am never in a situation where 12 strangers are determining my fate.

I still don't know if he did or didn't do it but you can't risk sending an innocent man to jail. Breathing into a phone funny and someone saying the tub was dry is not enough evidence to put someone away for 15 to life.

Ttimes3 · February 2011

trickeytricky:

I hope I am never in a situation where 12 strangers are determining my fate.

Honestly. The thought is more than frightening. There are SO many stupid people in this country.

Superchicy · February 2011

Ttimes3:
trickeytricky:

I hope I am never in a situation where 12 strangers are determining my fate.

Honestly. The thought is more than frightening. There are SO many stupid people in this country.

My thoughts exactly TTT. I just look at my students and there is NO way I'd trust many of them to determine anyone's fate, much less mine.

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