NBR: Widmer Trial

Ttimes3 · February 2011

Okay, since I know you all have your noses glued to the blogs, jump in here and give me the low down on what is going (and has gone) on. I haven't followed any of it, so fill me in.

Dani3679 · February 2011

The jury went into deliberations today, so it's in their hands now. The prosecution filed a motion to include an involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury may also consider if they can't agree on the murder charge. Now it's the waiting game!

Temp806465500003043 · February 2011

I wanna know too! I've been too busy at work to keep up. Booooo!!!

Ttimes3 · February 2011

Dani3679:
The prosecution filed a motion to include an involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury may also consider if they can't agree on the murder charge.

Interesting. That doesn't seem like good news for him.

addslove · February 2011

And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

addslove · February 2011

Ttimes3:

Dani3679:
The prosecution filed a motion to include an involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury may also consider if they can't agree on the murder charge.

Interesting. That doesn't seem like good news for him.

Maybe but my first thought was that it WAS good news for him...that the prosecution was feeling shaky, like they didn't make their case (for murder.) But I guess a conviction on either count would be bad news for him.

Ttimes3 · February 2011

So, what are your thoughts regarding the verdict? Meaning, what do you think will happen?

warriormomerin · February 2011

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

addslove · February 2011

Ttimes3:
So, what are your thoughts regarding the verdict? Meaning, what do you think will happen?

I do not believe that the prosecution proved, beyond reasonable doubt, that he committed either murder or involuntary manslaughter. But I'm not a juror so I'm not privy to all of the evidence...I wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now!!

Traycee1242 · February 2011

I think its disgusting they're on the 3rd trial. All the money spent.. Just makes me want to vomit. I don't think there is any way to prove he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ( and FTR I think he's innocent).. If by some small chance (IMO) he IS guilty (which again they haven't been able to prove) he is not a threat to society... Yet, the state let's convicted rapists, child molestors, etc out and they ARE a threat to society. I don't get it.
And those are my ramblings.. Hope it made sense

Ttimes3 · February 2011

addslove:
Ttimes3:

Dani3679:
The prosecution filed a motion to include an involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury may also consider if they can't agree on the murder charge.

Interesting. That doesn't seem like good news for him.

Maybe but my first thought was that it WAS good news for him...that the prosecution was feeling shaky, like they didn't make their case (for murder.) But I guess a conviction on either count would be bad news for him.

Yes, but YOU are intelligent. Wink

addslove · February 2011

warrior*mom:

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

Why? Because of how he acted or didn't act? Because of what he said or didn't say? Or something else?

Ttimes3 · February 2011

addslove:
warrior*mom:

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

Why? Because of how he acted or didn't act? Because of what he said or didn't say? Or something else?

If I had to guess, it's because they are 17 and watch way too much CSI.

addslove · February 2011

Ttimes3:
addslove:
Ttimes3:

Dani3679:
The prosecution filed a motion to include an involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury may also consider if they can't agree on the murder charge.

Interesting. That doesn't seem like good news for him.

Maybe but my first thought was that it WAS good news for him...that the prosecution was feeling shaky, like they didn't make their case (for murder.) But I guess a conviction on either count would be bad news for him.

Yes, but YOU are intelligent.

I like to pretend I am. But I'm really not. Most things go right over my head. Cool

warriormomerin · February 2011

addslove:
warrior*mom:

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

Why? Because of how he acted or didn't act? Because of what he said or didn't say? Or something else?

Something to do with the fact that he called 911 from his cell, then hung up & didn't call back until an hour later yet when the authorities got there he was on his cell talking to family members? I wasn't really paying attention though.

PirateGirl04 · February 2011

Traycee1242:
I think its disgusting they're on the 3rd trial. All the money spent.. Just makes me want to vomit. I don't think there is any way to prove he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ( and FTR I think he's innocent).. If by some small chance (IMO) he IS guilty (which again they haven't been able to prove) he is not a threat to society... Yet, the state let's convicted rapists, child molestors, etc out and they ARE a threat to society. I don't get it.
And those are my ramblings.. Hope it made sense

I agree with u 100%. I don't think he did it. There is waaaaaaaaaaay too much speculation and resonable doubt! I think J.Crew (the mystery witness) was a crock, most of the information she knew appeared on the dateline episode. Ok, I'll shut up now!

Ttimes3 · February 2011

addslove:
Most things go right over my head.

Yes

warriormomerin · February 2011

Ttimes3:
addslove:
warrior*mom:

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

Why? Because of how he acted or didn't act? Because of what he said or didn't say? Or something else?

If I had to guess, it's because they are 17 and watch way too much CSI.

The juniors yes, the seniors no. They are hard core about this trial. It's their entire grade. They have pages upon pages of notes from sitting in on the trial. Their whole classroom is full of very specific time lines from all three of the trials. I'm pretty sure they could do a better job than the prosecution.

Ttimes3 · February 2011

warrior*mom:
Ttimes3:
addslove:
warrior*mom:

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

Why? Because of how he acted or didn't act? Because of what he said or didn't say? Or something else?

If I had to guess, it's because they are 17 and watch way too much CSI.

The juniors yes, the seniors no. They are hard core about this trial. It's their entire grade. They have pages upon pages of notes from sitting in on the trial. Their whole classroom is full of very specific time lines from all three of the trials. I'm pretty sure they could do a better job than the prosecution.

From what I understand, that's not saying much.

warriormomerin · February 2011

PirateGirl04:
Traycee1242:
I think its disgusting they're on the 3rd trial. All the money spent.. Just makes me want to vomit. I don't think there is any way to prove he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ( and FTR I think he's innocent).. If by some small chance (IMO) he IS guilty (which again they haven't been able to prove) he is not a threat to society... Yet, the state let's convicted rapists, child molestors, etc out and they ARE a threat to society. I don't get it.
And those are my ramblings.. Hope it made sense
I agree with u 100%. I don't think he did it. There is waaaaaaaaaaay too much speculation and resonable doubt! I think J.Crew (the mystery witness) was a crock, most of the information she knew appeared on the dateline episode. Ok, I'll shut up now!

I said the same thing to my CJ students and their teacher, but they vehemently explained told me that she actually came across as very genuine on the stand and not as skanky as everyone thinks. They all said that she wasn't nearly as shady as the media made her seem. Go figure? It was definitely one of the most interesting subbing jobs I've had.

addslove · February 2011

warrior*mom:
addslove:
warrior*mom:

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

Why? Because of how he acted or didn't act? Because of what he said or didn't say? Or something else?

Something to do with the fact that he called 911 from his cell, then hung up & didn't call back until an hour later yet when the authorities got there he was on his cell talking to family members? I wasn't really paying attention though.

Well, I haven't been in the courtroom but that isn't exactly how it happened from what I've read. He was on the phone with 911 when the ambulance arrived (you can hear the sirens in the background) and I think it was more like seconds between the calls. Anyway, let's hope they have learned to pay more attention to the details. Probably a good lesson for many people...including some of the professionals...involved in this case.

trickeytricky · February 2011

I'm still trying to understand this:

The State keeps playing the he killed her by using force, he held her under water and staged her death. But their own witness (J. Crew) has a different story, that he caused her to fall, hit her head and she died.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but to me I'd think the defense would try to match their theory to that of the witness.

My favorite arguement from the defense today was the statement about "porn, adultry, I'm going to leave you . . . but first let me take a bath."

warriormomerin · February 2011

addslove:
warrior*mom:
addslove:
warrior*mom:

addslove:
And within moments of going into deliberations, the jury requested to hear the 911 call.

Interesting. The 911 call was the main reason that 95% of the Criminal Justice class I subbed for think he did it. They've been in the court room during the whole trial except two days last week. It was really interesting to hear their perspectives.

Why? Because of how he acted or didn't act? Because of what he said or didn't say? Or something else?

Something to do with the fact that he called 911 from his cell, then hung up & didn't call back until an hour later yet when the authorities got there he was on his cell talking to family members? I wasn't really paying attention though.

Well, I haven't been in the courtroom but that isn't exactly how it happened from what I've read. He was on the phone with 911 when the ambulance arrived (you can hear the sirens in the background) and I think it was more like seconds between the calls. Anyway, let's hope they have learned to pay more attention to the details. Probably a good lesson for many people...including some of the professionals...involved in this case.

LOL, or maybe I should pay better attention to them? The whole thing bores/annoys me. It was all I could do not to fall asleep.

VanderLaan · February 2011

I cant wait to hear the verdict!

MJHershey · February 2011

Traycee1242:
I think its disgusting they're on the 3rd trial. All the money spent.. Just makes me want to vomit. I don't think there is any way to prove he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ( and FTR I think he's innocent).. If by some small chance (IMO) he IS guilty (which again they haven't been able to prove) he is not a threat to society... Yet, the state let's convicted rapists, child molestors, etc out and they ARE a threat to society. I don't get it.
And those are my ramblings.. Hope it made sense

It does make sense...

To me, if there had been 2 mistrials, that says something about the ability to prove anything.

I would not want to be in their shoes either...

ETA: I also don't understand how two random people who called Widmer after seeing some TV show (?) are being considered credible witnesses. How did they got ahold of his number, and why he would be stupid enough to talk to them?

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