Umm... pro-abortion? Really?

tinychefjackson · October 2008

I don't believe abortion is right, personally. I would never choose it. However, I can't vote to impose my beliefs/choices on others. Women have a choice. Let them face their maker with their own decisions.?

??Obama won't make abortions mandatory. He is simply protecting the right to choose. Hence, he is Pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion (I don't even think that's really a word). I don't see how you can honestly want women to be able to vote, hold jobs, get equal pay, and whatnot, but at the same time want the government to dictate medical decisions. So, we're smart enough to bring in money and elect officials, but we're not smart enough to make decisions regarding our own futures and bodies? C'mon, now. Why not vote for the candidate who will make it law to go to Church every Sunday. We can go back to colonial times.

?Focus on the Family is a crap source, by the way. Just saying. They're main purpose is not information, it's persuasion through doctrine.

(And before you even ask, I'm a Christian. I'm not a pushy evangelical zealot, however.)?

Amie Schulz · October 2008

"So, we're smart enough to bring in money and elect officials, but we're not smart enough to make decisions regarding our own futures and bodies?"

That's the point of being Pro - life. It's not about the woman's own body - its' about the human life growing in that body. LIFE. For those that are pro life (like myself) where does the line get drawn? Life is Life.

ncbelle · October 2008

As Obama very clearly stated in the last debate - he is not "pro-abortion;" no one is "pro-abortion." He also said that any law regarding late term abortions must include provisions for the health of the mother - a point McCain quickly scoffed at.

LucyGoosey81 · October 2008

I TOTALLY agree.

lvisser · October 2008

a4amie:

"So, we're smart enough to bring in money and elect officials, but we're not smart enough to make decisions regarding our own futures and bodies?"

That's the point of being Pro - life. It's not about the woman's own body - its' about the human life growing in that body. LIFE. For those that are pro life (like myself) where does the line get drawn? Life is Life.

Exactly.

HollyLuv · October 2008

eeek this cannot end well...

ncbelle · October 2008

a4amie:
"So, we're smart enough to bring in money and elect officials, but we're not smart enough to make decisions regarding our own futures and bodies?"

That's the point of being Pro - life. It's not about the woman's own body - its' about the human life growing in that body. LIFE. For those that are pro life (like myself) where does the line get drawn? Life is Life.

Not that this is true of you, but I can think of many "pro-life" folks who are pro death penalty. This is a huge part of my problem with the term "pro-life." Furthermore (again, not saying this is true of you), lots of pro-lifers are unwilling to support legislation that would improve the life of children once they are born (say provisions for health care or education) and they don't see a problem with the thousands of innocent lives that have been lost in war. I realize not all pro-lifers hold those views but I think it is a very problematic term.

I am pro-choice but I'm certainly not anti-life or pro-abortion - HUGE difference.

jwt6 · October 2008

I agree as well. McCain followers are so concerned with socialist values being brought up and they want the govt. to be totaltarism. Let us make our own decisions.

lvisser · October 2008

Innocent baby?

Man who killed hundreds?

Sarahgracesc · October 2008

lvisser:

Innocent baby?

Man who killed hundreds?

So your view is NOT life is life? Nice. I love hypocrisy.

jay.otter · October 2008

ncbelle:
a4amie:
"So, we're smart enough to bring in money and elect officials, but we're not smart enough to make decisions regarding our own futures and bodies?"

That's the point of being Pro - life. It's not about the woman's own body - its' about the human life growing in that body. LIFE. For those that are pro life (like myself) where does the line get drawn? Life is Life.

Not that this is true of you, but I can think of many "pro-life" folks who are pro death penalty. This is a huge part of my problem with the term "pro-life." Furthermore (again, not saying this is true of you), lots of pro-lifers are unwilling to support legislation that would improve the life of children once they are born (say provisions for health care or education) and they don't see a problem with the thousands of innocent lives that have been lost in war. I realize not all pro-lifers hold those views but I think it is a very problematic term.
I am pro-choice but I'm certainly not anti-life or pro-abortion - HUGE difference.

Thank you! Pro-life should be about more than Roe vs. Wade or unborn babies. It should be a whole outlook on this country's infrastructure, and a value for ALL human life, from the unborn child to the serial killer or war criminal.

Amie Schulz · October 2008

ncbelle - I get ya. I used to go to a lot of Amnesty International meetings with a friend - and I myself, didn't understand why, if you are a true humanitarian....against the war and so on...why you wouldn't value human life the same way and be against abortion. So, really what makes a true humanitarian - I don't ask you this....I just put the thought out there.

Honestly, politics and these types of topics are always going to be different among each person and as we all know, there's no convincing the other person one way or another. - mainly on a message board.

BetchySprout · October 2008

Pro-life is a complete misnomer. It should be anti-choice because those who are pro-choice do NOT force others to have abortions, where so-called pro-lifers DO want to force women to have a baby.

It is always interesting to see who is really pro-life when they are in the shoes of a woman who has to end a wanted pregnancy. What would you have a woman who is going through an ectopic pregnancy do? What about a woman with pre-eclampsia at 15 weeks? I teach high schoolers and know PLENTY of pro-life moms who have taken their knocked up daughters for abortions. Apparently the only moral abortion is their abortion.

LucyGoosey81 · October 2008

Also- McCain wants to give this choice to the states...just to get that out there.

tinychefjackson · October 2008

Great, so then you have people jumping state lines to get a D&C. Nice.

MrsWarner · October 2008

We are smart enough to make our own decisions, that is the point of pro-choice. My sister just had what is classified as an "abortion". She was 18 weeks pregnant and her water broke. The baby would never develop any lungs, although it would continue to grow and the heart will beat away. You believe it is your place to decide for her to carry that baby to term, give birth and then the State of Minnesota will not recognize it as a "live birth" because the baby never took a breath outside of the womb. She is a smart enough woman to decide what is right for herself and her family. Maybe you would make a different choice, but that is between you, your family and your doctor. Government has no business making these decisions.

LucyGoosey81 · October 2008

tinychefjackson:
Great, so then you have people jumping state lines to get a D&C. Nice.

Precisely!!!! Scary, huh?

BetchySprout · October 2008

MrsWarner, I am SO sorry about your sister :-( Sometimes PPROM has a good outcome, but more often than not, an excruciating CHOICE has to be made, and I am glad that she was still able to have that decision instead of bringing a baby to term who would have basically had to suffocate to death at birth.

MrsWarner · October 2008

Thanks Patty Smile

faygojumper · October 2008

I dont believe in abortion either, and I wish more people would adopt so we could get these kids out of the system and convince more people to choose adoption over abortion.

Anyways, my ethics are just that. They are mine. I am not god, I have never spoken with god. I cannot tell you how he feels about it, nor can I judge you for it. That's why religion needs to stay out of politics. We just simply don't know enough about the truth to press our ideas on others and I think it is arrogant to assume we do.

p.s.

life is life is a not a very accurate description. Would you kill a cochroach or an ant? Have you eaten any meat today? If you saw someone kill a snake, would it really bother you? All of these things are alive and capable of thinking as well.

mrskadams · October 2008

faygojumper:

Anyways, my ethics are just that. They are mine. I am not god, I have never spoken with god. I cannot tell you how he feels about it, nor can I judge you for it. That's why religion needs to stay out of politics. We just simply don't know enough about the truth to press our ideas on others and I think it is arrogant to assume we do.

Agreed. I am extremely pro-choice. The decision on when life begins is a religious/moral decision made by individuals. It has no place in government. I do not want anyone pushing their beliefs on me, especially through government. I believe these governments are called theocracies. Hmm, Iran? The Taliban? That may be extreme, but that is where it could lead.

Nidubb · October 2008

Call me crazy, but not sure this is the appropriate place for a political discussion.

cardinals05 · October 2008

When did we start believing that Christianity is about tolerance and moderate level thinking? It's okay to say abortion isn't right AND vote pro-life, because it's the right thing to do, period.

The government is involved with abortion because it's not a medical procedure like any other. It involves another life other than the mother!

LadySara17 · October 2008

How can a late term abortion be "for the health of the mother"? Wouldn't delivering the baby ALIVE be in the best interests of all involved? Babies are viable at 24-25 weeks - how does killing a viable baby improve the health of the mother? Just curious.

cardinals05 · October 2008

the reason mccain scoffed might have something to do with the fact that late term abortions are RARELY to NEVER medically necessary.

lvisser · October 2008

cardinals05:

When did we start believing that Christianity is about tolerance and moderate level thinking? It's okay to say abortion isn't right AND vote pro-life, because it's the right thing to do, period.

The government is involved with abortion because it's not a medical procedure like any other. It involves another life other than the mother!

Nicely put!

cardinals05 · October 2008

well i'm glad there are other pro-lifers out there that can stand up for what they believe!

i am so tired of the liberal, open-minded viewpoint being embraced by society, and the conservative viewpoint being labeled as hypocritical, judgemental, etc. it's quite sad.

our country was founded on religious principles. now we think government and religion shouldn't mix.

mrskadams · October 2008

Actually, I believe it was our founding fathers who believed in the separation of church and state!

tinychefjackson · October 2008

Yeah... a good number of the founding fathers were deists.?

faygojumper · October 2008

cardinals05:

When did we start believing that Christianity is about tolerance and moderate level thinking? It's okay to say abortion isn't right AND vote pro-life, because it's the right thing to do, period.

The government is involved with abortion because it's not a medical procedure like any other. It involves another life other than the mother!

I know you honestly did not just suggest that christianity is not about tolerance and a moderate level of thinking. That's pretty much a key point of the bible. Do you remember jesus attacking anybody or ever once pushing his idea on other people?

In various parts of the bible(I can never quote directly so forgive me) it says to be humble, be modest, be tame, be long tempered. Jesus preached almost exclusively of loving one another, forgiving eachother, and not judging eachother.

The christianity that you are thinking of is still in about 1692 when we were burning witches at the stake.

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