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Anyone hope MN is a faker?
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I really hope she's a faker. I can't imagine if she's real and everyone keeps harassing her. This is a place of support (normally, unless you're asking how to get twins FYI), and it makes me sad that there may be mommies we're not doing justice. I don't know why some doubt her, I have the worst fake-dar ever. I'm not defending because your girls don't just call out anyone without suspicion.
I'm shocked that she's still trying to prove herself. If she's a faker, she's one dedicated faker. If she's not a faker, she's sure putting up with a lot of crap and not even getting anything out of it.
Sorry if this is beating the dead horse, just something I was thinking about.
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Oh wow, I didn't realize that about the inaccuracies. Good to know.
Continuing the beating of the dead horse...I can't imagine anyone real having to explain so much stuff away. Every time I read something of hers I thought, that just doesn't sound right. Then with all of the inaccuracies I really do think she's a faker. It would be really sad if she weren't though. I hate to have someone real have to prove themselves, but if she is real, perhaps she could post a new pic of her girls together. That might convince me. Otherwise, I just can't take her posts seriously.
It is sad either way. Mj.reilly, glad you are paying attention. I never think to look for details like the gest age. Did someone on Babynames quote those conflicting statements?
Aussiemom, yeah it does bother me that in the past there have been MoMs who've been called out and have turned out to be real as far as we can tell. I hate that. May be my age, but I think of people on here as real people looking for support, not "virtual" people.
ETA: Some pics with her girls and a current paper would be a great/easy way to get rid of suspicions if she's not a faker.
I'm pretty sure she is and it pisses me off.
I don't buy the "we don't have money for girl clothes" BS. Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard. She is a fake and I feel bad for the REAL children in those pictures who are having their faces plastered all over by a fake mom.
Steal my kids picture or pretend they are yours, I will find where you live and ship all of their dirty diapers to your doorstep. Promise.
I will never believe she is not a faker until she takes a pic of her and her babies together along with that days paper with the date in clear view. If she truly wanted to clear her name and prove she is a real MoM than she would do it in a heart beat instead of make up excuses like "cant afford girls clothes" Um, really? I have no problem finding good used girls clothes and I have 2 to dress when Im at the Goodwill (play clothes) or Once Upon a Child.
If we had a girl in the future, I wouldn't have a problem occasionally putting her in one of my boys' blue hand-me-down outfits if we're just hanging around the house. That to me isn't a big deal at all. But otherwise, yeah, there is way too much at this point that doesn't add up. OP, I get why you hope she's a faker.
MJ, do you have a link to a post on the BN board or something with all the evidence? It would be interesting to see.
And I agree; it would be easy enough for her to clear her name if she's real.
This.
Also, that wasn't even the main issue.... She took the easiest one to lie about and came up with some fake sob story.
Like I've said before, I really don't care all the much about the fakers. It doesn't change what I'll do here- they're just sad, lonely people. But the major problem I have with her is that she went wayyyy too far by making her kids preemies, NICU time, chemical pregnancy, and the adoption of that boy... remember the post where she went off on GiGi about kids who misbehave and painted this incredibely sad picture of her "son" missing his dead mother and runaway father and so he was acting out? All of this trivializes families who've had real problems with preemies, adoption, etc. THAT'S what really bothers me.
And that other AE was her- I'm 90% sure. Which also pisses me off...she did this not just because she's some lonely person who makes up a fake life, but she wanted to cause drama and controversy on a board that all of us use as a helpful resource/support.
Which other AE? Sorry, i am just trying to follow.
There have been 2 different people (right? that chick from awhile ago had a different name than the recent one) that have "called her out" and I think both of them are her- but I definitely think the most recent one was her.
Yeah, there was "Truthteller" a while back and I forget the most recent one.
I agree with some of the other PPs that the thing that annoys me is that assuming she is a faker, she is making up stories about issues that a lot of the MoMs on this board have gone through in REAL LIFE, and her making this shizz up is just disgusting. It's also upsetting because a lot of people on this board were truly concerned about her "girls".
This is one of the few boards on TB that is supportive 99.9% of the time, and to have someone come on here and make up crap for either a) shizz and giggles or b) because they are sick in the head really pisses me off. I have learned so much from the ladies on here, have met another MoM from this board IRL (who is awesome, btw) and trust you guys, so it's upsetting when someone takes advantage of that, you know?
Oh, and to the poster from the BN board - good call on the discrepancies. I'm not that good of a PI.
normally i just stay out of it, but these two posts are the nail in the faker coffin for me. who mistakes their babies birthday/gestational age? NO ONE. thanks for the proof.
Up until this time I really wanted her to be real, because at one point I defended her. Those two links are proof enough for me. She is a big fat fake, and I feel like an idiot for defending her.
You would think a fake would have left after the first time being called out. I think it takes a very sick person to continue the fake life for so long. I really hope she gets the help she needs. Or, if she was doing it for laughs, shame on her.
Mj.Reilly sent me over here to enumerate the other inaccuracies. MommyNoelle (MN) was a regular poster on the Baby Names board and I "met" her there before her mythical twins were born. Obviously, I thought she was legitimate initially, but after exchanging a single PM with her I became extremely suspicious--it was riddled with medical inaccuracies.
I carried on PMs with her from July (when her girls were supposedly born) to shortly before this official outing, in the guise of being a friend. It's rather devious, I suppose, but I was actually compiling information against her, for just such a case as this. Mj. and the other BN board regulars already know most of this, but I'll post it here, too, and you can make what you want of it.
Major Medical Inaccuracies:
1. Retroverted Uterus. In a PM, she told me she had suffered "numerous" miscarriages before conceiving the twins. Initially, her doctor was unable to determine a cause for the miscarriages, but after five, she was told that her retroverted uterus might be the cause. This is simply untrue.
A retroverted is perfectly normal (occurs naturally in 1 out of every 5 women worldwide); it also happens to run in my family, but MN didn't know that. A retroverted uterus can increase a woman's risk of Placenta Previa and back labor, and a few other inconsequential problems, but not one study has ever linked an RU to an increased risk of miscarriages. (Personally, my RE has never hypothesized that the position of my RU could be the cause of my miscarriages, or even a factor.) No doctor would have told her her miscarriages were caused by the position of her uterus.
2. Incarcerated Uterus. I think she did a bit of research after first writing to me about her RU. In a subsequent letter, she stated she had been diagnosed with an incarcerated uterus. (I would say that her story changed altogether, but in this case, the pieces actually could have fit together--if she had been first examined and found to have an RU and then later, during a pregnancy, diagnosed with an IU as well. More on that in a moment.) An incarcerated uterus is one of the few risks associated with having a RU. In women with severely retroverted uteri, as the uterus grows during pregnancy it can become trapped between the subpromontory sacrum and the pubis. If left, it could result in damage to the bladder and urethra, infections and rupture of the placenta, plus a myriad of other complications.
That would seem to fit well with her story of premature delivery--if she did have an incarcerated uterus, especially common with multiples, it would likely have been the cause of her preterm labor with the twins; PTL is one of the major risks of an IU that is not successfully or is unable to be treated. Unfortunately, she didn't research well enough. She specifically stated in a PM to me that her doctors didn't know the cause of her PTL. (Her current/latest signature also states that the twins were premature due to "unexplained PTL.") According to her story, her water broke at 28-weeks and labor could not be stopped--it seems highly suspect to me that any doctor, knowing she had a retroverted and incarcerated uterus wouldn't conclude that was the cause of PTL. [Note: she initially wrote this in a PM to me and stated that the girls were delivered at 28-weeks, 2-days gestation; she later claimed on the boards (and her in signature) that the girls were born at 26-weeks, 6-days. It's also an absolute fact that when I "met" her online on the BN board, when she was debating between naming the girls Charlotte and Elizabeth or Eleanor and Elizabeth, her ticker already read 28-weeks. It was just a few days after that initial discussion I had with her that she allegedly delivered the girls.]
Another problem with this part of her story is that uteral incarceration occurs almost exclusively between the twelfth- and thirteenth-week of pregnancy. Since it occurs with the predictable and natural growth of the fetus and uterus, it only occurs once the uterus has reached a certain size--large enough to become entrapped or "incarcerated." But, she stated that her doctor told her that her "incarcerated uterus" (Note: an incarcerated uterus is not a normal state, it wouldn't necessarily occur with every pregnancy, even if a woman was at severe risk of the condition.) was probably the cause of her numerous early miscarriages, which she said all occurred between seven- and ten-weeks gestation. (Here, her story has changed again. Following the most recent 3-week CP she claimed, she updated her signature to show previous miscarriages at 7, 4-, 3-, 3-, 5-, and 3-weeks going back as far as 2007.)
But, as I just stated, incarceration only occurs between twelve- and thirteen-weeks gestation; there are exceptions to that rule: multiple pregnancies and pregnancies affected by early-onset Gestational Diabetes being the major two. So, unless all of her previous pregnancies were multiple pregnancies too or she repeatedly suffered from EOGD, something extremely unlikely and that she has never mentioned/claimed, it is virtually impossible that she suffered miscarriages because of an incarcerated uterus--any doctor would know that. Plus, compare that information to the alleged timing of her miscarriages and CPs and it's clear that her story just doesn't make sense. An incarcerated uterus at 3- or 4-weeks? Impossible, unless she was having octuplets.
3. Pre-eclampsia. In our initial discussion, which was public, inside a thread on the BN board--it was addressed specifically to me, as a response to a question I had asked her about the girls' prospective names; it was later deleted for unknown reasons--MN made no mention of being hospitalized, at risk for PTL, or that she might be 'running out of time' to decide on names. Yet in her first PM to me she told me she was hospitalized due to severe pre-eclampsia for ten days before her water broke "unexpectedly" and was unable to be stopped.
Pre-eclampsia is common in multiple pregnancies, as I'm sure you all know, so that didn't surprise me. What first caught my suspicions was that she had made no mention of that in our initial discussion. Certainly, keeping private medical details a secret when conversing semi-publicly is not proof of her guilt, but it stood out in my mind as suspicious. It also contradicts her statement of "unknown PTL" since pre-eclampsia dramatically increases a woman's risk of PTL and, in fact, the only cure for pre-eclampsia is induction or cesarean.
I make no allusion to being an expert on pre-eclampsia, but I'm sure that many of you have experienced it and know the risk associated with the syndrome. As far as I know, MN never mentioned pre-eclampsia on any of the public boards (I've read through most of the threads she's posted, those that weren't deleted, anyway).
4. Three-week CP in 2010. I wont rehash all the details here, since I know that you ladies were the frontrunners in that debate, but she claimed to be pregnant and to have miscarried at 3-weeks, 6-days at the beginning of November. Her story was unlikely bordering on impossible, since she claimed symptoms, including fatigue and dizziness, leading to her daughter's pediatrician (later a family practitioner) ordering a blood test for her. She was told she was three-weeks pregnant based on her hCG levels, even though implantation might not even have taken place yet.
Other discrepancies:
1. She chose BN "board favorite" names for both of her girls--Elizabeth and Eleanor, later Charlotte. It's possible that was her genuine preference for names, but few people agree with the board opinion so strongly (very, very few). We all loved the names she chose and she never failed to regurgitate the popular opinion, which was why she passed unsuspected on the BN board for so long.
2. Like all of our baby name obsessed trolls, she created a scenario that allowed her to keep posting more and more names and asking for opinions by renaming her adopted nephew Gavin. While I admit to getting carried away by that debate (being a proponent of renamings--it's a long story), the multitude of inflammatory posts on the subject were just asking for trouble. Very troll-like.
3. Medical inaccuracies above and also numerous flip-flops in her story. Either she couldn't remember who she had already updated on the status of her girls' health and Gavin's well-being, or she had no clear idea of the story she was telling.
4. She was supposedly seeking domestic adoption when she miraculously got pregnant with the girls, but when my own pursuit of adoption was brought into the conversation, she reacted with surprise that my medical history could be a detriment to my ability to adopt. Having such a similar medical history (albeit, she never claimed to be Epileptic), she should have known that agencies take dangerous medical conditions as well as past infertility into account when considering applications and that birth mothers are much more likely to choose a healthy parent for their child than one with a traumatic medical history and on-going health problems.
5. She never mentioned or posted any sort of "fertility struggle" story until after she began corresponding with me. The women I know who post on the TTCAL, Miscarriage and Infertility boards have never heard from her or seen her post anything on their boards. This was suspect to me because she began posting the details of her infertility and miscarriages only after gathering details of my own struggle--and they were startlingly similar.
6. She's confused her daughter's birthdates more than once and even posted them incorrectly, as Mj.Reilly linked you above. The girls' EDD was also wrong, when compared with their "ages" at birth. According to the EDD she posted in her signature and several threads (which changed a few times from 10/14/10 to 10/15/10 and back again), the girls would have been 26w6d on July 15th, 2010 and 28w2d on July 25th, 2010 . . . but she stated their birthdate initially as July 27th, 2010, with their gestational age being 28w6d. In a conflicting post, she stated they were born July 29th, 2010 at 26w6d. So, the gestational ages have changed, as have their birthdates, their EDD, and there are at least eight dates in question.
7. In a post on the BN board she mistakenly posted both of her daughters middle names as Hope. When I questioned her on it, she stated it had been a mistake and immediately fixed it.
8. She alleged to live in Nebraska, near Council Bluffs, but her "local" hospital was in Sioux Falls, SD (200+ miles/4 hours away). We also checked the cradle roll at Sanford Health in Sioux Falls and there were no twins born during the month of July 2010. In her pregnancy post, she also claimed she lived in a small town with no nearby hospitals, but there are four medium to large hospitals within an hour of Council Bluffs.
9. She told me in a PM that her husband's name was Kevin and referred to him as Kevin several times. Yet, she has posted his name as Jacob on the boards (more than once).
10. She's a blond, according to her avatar picture, but has posted pictures of her "with her girls" showing she's a brunette. She's also used photos of at least three different women as herself, though they were all fuzzy beyond true identification.
11. She has repeatedly made conflicting statements about the status of her twins as identical/fraternal, alternately claiming they shared a placenta, did not share a placenta, had a shared placenta with a wall between them, and that they shared a placenta and it was suspected that there was a wall between them, but never confirmed, due to the emergency delivery. In one thread, she stated that they've known throughout the pregnancy that the girls were identical. In another, she claimed not to know whether they were identical still today. In yet another, she claimed that she knew for certain that they shared a placenta, but had no idea that a shared placenta automatically means they were identical. What twin mother wouldn't know that?
12. In her apology thread posted here on the Multiples board, she claimed the photos were stolen from her public Facebook account and copied here and that she has since made her profile private. But, I have known her first and last name for months (Natalie Noelle) and have previously looked for Facebook and MySpace pages under that name. There are several, but none that ever had pictures of mention of her children, certainly none that were ever public. Though I'm certain it's a fake name anyway, most of the profiles seem to be teen girls. Mj.Reilly and I both scoured Facebook a second time after her most recent post--no possible profile exists for Natalie, Jacob or Kevin Noelle.
There is no doubt in my mind that she's a troll. My own personal opinion is that she was one of the many AEs created by a singular troll. She's been outed here and on the BN board multiple times under AEs: Mykadeclan, IrishZimmer, DrCatieAsher, EmileeJune, EmileeFae . . . and that she's been posting ever since. All of these AEs had several factors in common--multiple pregnancies, several children in a very short amount of time, interest in/pursuit of adoption, surprise pregnancies, and careers in the medical field (the one trait MN never claimed, as far as I know).
I also am convinced that the most recent AE that outed her, JenLastInitial is actually her, outing herself in the misguided hope of being able to continue unsuspected on the boards. There is also another AE currently posting actively on the BN board that many of us suspect to be her, as well, but that's as yet unconfirmed.
Anyway, I hope that banishes any lingering doubts for you. She's a troll. There really is no reason to feel sorry for her any longer.
holy.effing.crap.
You should be a detective, seriously.
This was all very interesting and informative - it still pisses me off that people have the time to fake all this stuff, but whatever. At least now we know for sure.
Good luck with your pursuit of adoption!
wow, that is some crazyshit
and seriously, you need to be a detective. its your calling.
MJ and Strangebird, thank you so much.
Strangebird, you are amazing. Wow! Thank you for the thorough run-down. Incredible. And I think your theory I quoted below makes a LOT of sense. There were a few of those trolls I didn't know but I definitely remember Mykadeclan and see the similarities, and I was also suspicious of JenLastInitial and agree it makes sense that she and "MN" are the same person.
Well done. Seriously.
lol, watch half of this board is really MN.
You aren't even the person you say you are! Go away!
Steal my kids picture or pretend they are yours, I will find where you live and ship all of their dirty diapers to your doorstep. Promise.
Lol, she's real. I'm real, and MrsAmyB is real. Mj is real, Santa is not (sorry kids).
strangebird is a wonderful Bumpie with some awesome skills, and I'm so glad she's around.
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