Is this a threat?

sherina825 · November 2010

Today a student told another staff member (teacher's aide) that she would, "Slap her wig off". The student got a few days of out of school suspension. But the punishment for threatning a staff member is expulsion. Is there a breakdown or is it just me? The staff member did say something derogatory (but not threatning or belittling) to the student, but this is after daily taunts from this particular student and several referrals.

What would you do if your child admitted to doing this? Would you come up to the school and defend their decision or stand behind the school?

kwinters87 · November 2010

I think the punishment is appropriate for a first time offense, but if this has happened before then more severe action needs to be taken.

DaisyFull1 · November 2010

If the policy is no tolerance, the student should be expelled.

If it were my child, and I knew for a fact this happened, I would agree with the school. And my child might be on his/her way to military school. ?

Swainb · November 2010

I would have to know what the teacher said to decide what I would do.

soko987 · November 2010

Stand behind the school. What a little shiit.

Out of curiosity, what did the staff member say to the student? And why was this "taunting" allowed at all in the first place? I think she should have been suspended the minute the taunting started.

lindsleek · November 2010

I think I'd need to know more, for starters what "did say something derogatory" means.

I don't think there is an acceptible time for a teacher to ever stoop to a students low because they are supposed to be the adult. That being said, I also think parents do stick up for their kids without knowing the whole truth.

I think being a teacher would be one of the hardest jobs on this earth!

emily0829 · November 2010

sherina825:

Today a student told another staff member (teacher's aide) that she would, "Slap her wig off". The student got a few days of out of school suspension. But the punishment for threatning a staff member is expulsion. Is there a breakdown or is it just me? The staff member did say something derogatory (but not threatning or belittling) to the student, but this is after daily taunts from this particular student and several referrals.

What would you do if your child admitted to doing this? Would you come up to the school and defend their decision or stand behind the school?

I'm not a teacher, so I can't relate to daily bad behavior, taunts, and flat out vulgar behavior, but how does a teacher say something derogatory that isn't belitting or threatning.

As the old saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right", but I agree with a PP. I'd want to know what the teacher said to spark the said comeback.

I was told I was stupid by a teacher. I was also told that I had no imagination because I don't like Harry Potter. I'm not the kind of person to sink down to their level, even as a high schooler, but I can guarantee that had I said something back, my mother would have stuck by me 100% (given that it didn't involve violent actions)

grapeape73 · November 2010

In my school that wouldn't be grounds for expulsion. It would probably be between a 3 and 5 day suspension. If she raised her fist or made a threatening gesture also, then it would be sent to the board for discipline.

sherina825 · November 2010

soko987:

Stand behind the school. What a little shiit.

Out of curiosity, what did the staff member say to the student? And why was this "taunting" allowed at all in the first place? I think she should have been suspended the minute the taunting started.

Yes they should have. The lady is an older lady who retired and came back and became an aide. The students here are so bad that the school doesn't really take disciplinary action if they can help it because it would look bad on the school system and may be detrimental to them keeping accreditation (sp?). I know that I have written six referrals on one student in less than two weeks and nothing happened. The student and her friends alway taunt this lady about what she's wearing, her makeup, how she walks, saying things like, "You're not even a teacher, I don't have to do what you say" EVERYDAY!!! I have given referrals on this student in reference to this, just has other teachers. Another student (friend of original student) threatened the same lady and two other teachers and nothing has happened to her either. It's just so discouraging when you WANT to be a good teacher but things like this kill morale.

sherina825 · November 2010

emily0829:
sherina825:

Today a student told another staff member (teacher's aide) that she would, "Slap her wig off". The student got a few days of out of school suspension. But the punishment for threatning a staff member is expulsion. Is there a breakdown or is it just me? The staff member did say something derogatory (but not threatning or belittling) to the student, but this is after daily taunts from this particular student and several referrals.

What would you do if your child admitted to doing this? Would you come up to the school and defend their decision or stand behind the school?

I'm not a teacher, so I can't relate to daily bad behavior, taunts, and flat out vulgar behavior, but how does a teacher say something derogatory that isn't belitting or threatning.

As the old saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right", but I agree with a PP. I'd want to know what the teacher said to spark the said comeback.

I was told I was stupid by a teacher. I was also told that I had no imagination because I don't like Harry Potter. I'm not the kind of person to sink down to their level, even as a high schooler, but I can guarantee that had I said something back, my mother would have stuck by me 100% (given that it didn't involve violent actions)

I meant to tell what she said... I forgot. LOL!!! But seriously she told the student that she must be (paraphrasing) either stupid, dumb or ignorant to keep messing with her everyday.

emily0829 · November 2010

sherina825:
emily0829:
sherina825:

Today a student told another staff member (teacher's aide) that she would, "Slap her wig off". The student got a few days of out of school suspension. But the punishment for threatning a staff member is expulsion. Is there a breakdown or is it just me? The staff member did say something derogatory (but not threatning or belittling) to the student, but this is after daily taunts from this particular student and several referrals.

What would you do if your child admitted to doing this? Would you come up to the school and defend their decision or stand behind the school?

I'm not a teacher, so I can't relate to daily bad behavior, taunts, and flat out vulgar behavior, but how does a teacher say something derogatory that isn't belitting or threatning.

As the old saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right", but I agree with a PP. I'd want to know what the teacher said to spark the said comeback.

I was told I was stupid by a teacher. I was also told that I had no imagination because I don't like Harry Potter. I'm not the kind of person to sink down to their level, even as a high schooler, but I can guarantee that had I said something back, my mother would have stuck by me 100% (given that it didn't involve violent actions)

I meant to tell what she said... I forgot. LOL!!! But seriously she told the student that she must be (paraphrasing) either stupid, dumb or ignorant to keep messing with her everyday.

Given that the student has "messed with" her everyday and your mention of how the school policy is against complaints that you file for students... I'd say that the teacher either needed to keep her mouth shut, or aide at a different school. (I'm not saying that either of these things are right, but that kid's parents will fight it, and may even potentially try to get the aide fired. That is, if they are the type of parents that refuse to admit that their child was the in the wrong.)

Then again, something could also be brought up that complaints were filed against this student and nothing was done until now.

IMO, both scenarios kind of discredit the school as a whole. They don't do anything regarding disciplinary action until a "threat" is made in response to a teacher firing back. It looks bad all around.

lindsleek · November 2010

sherina825:
emily0829:
sherina825:

Today a student told another staff member (teacher's aide) that she would, "Slap her wig off". The student got a few days of out of school suspension. But the punishment for threatning a staff member is expulsion. Is there a breakdown or is it just me? The staff member did say something derogatory (but not threatning or belittling) to the student, but this is after daily taunts from this particular student and several referrals.

What would you do if your child admitted to doing this? Would you come up to the school and defend their decision or stand behind the school?

I'm not a teacher, so I can't relate to daily bad behavior, taunts, and flat out vulgar behavior, but how does a teacher say something derogatory that isn't belitting or threatning.

As the old saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right", but I agree with a PP. I'd want to know what the teacher said to spark the said comeback.

I was told I was stupid by a teacher. I was also told that I had no imagination because I don't like Harry Potter. I'm not the kind of person to sink down to their level, even as a high schooler, but I can guarantee that had I said something back, my mother would have stuck by me 100% (given that it didn't involve violent actions)

I meant to tell what she said... I forgot. LOL!!! But seriously she told the student that she must be (paraphrasing) either stupid, dumb or ignorant to keep messing with her everyday.

Indifferent

blissfully_caffeinated · November 2010

Since it has been a constant issue I think the student should be expelled. The aide should be fired immediately for saying that to a child. Both were totally inappropriate.

grapeape73 · November 2010

sherina825:
emily0829:
sherina825:

Today a student told another staff member (teacher's aide) that she would, "Slap her wig off". The student got a few days of out of school suspension. But the punishment for threatning a staff member is expulsion. Is there a breakdown or is it just me? The staff member did say something derogatory (but not threatning or belittling) to the student, but this is after daily taunts from this particular student and several referrals.

What would you do if your child admitted to doing this? Would you come up to the school and defend their decision or stand behind the school?

I'm not a teacher, so I can't relate to daily bad behavior, taunts, and flat out vulgar behavior, but how does a teacher say something derogatory that isn't belitting or threatning.

As the old saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right", but I agree with a PP. I'd want to know what the teacher said to spark the said comeback.

I was told I was stupid by a teacher. I was also told that I had no imagination because I don't like Harry Potter. I'm not the kind of person to sink down to their level, even as a high schooler, but I can guarantee that had I said something back, my mother would have stuck by me 100% (given that it didn't involve violent actions)

I meant to tell what she said... I forgot. LOL!!! But seriously she told the student that she must be (paraphrasing) either stupid, dumb or ignorant to keep messing with her everyday.

I still don't think it is grounds for expulsion. Unless she said she was going to 'kill her" or something, and even then it would more likely be a referral to the PO.

Are you a teacher also? I only ask because students do seem to respect teachers more than the aides. It isn't right, but it is the way it is at least where I have taught.

I would also have a big issue with the aide that told a student they were dumb. I personally think she should lose her job. She is the adult in the situation and she crossed the line.

As a staff you need to speak to your principal about not following through with the referrals. It is hard. I work in an inner-city school. Most of our students live in the housing projects next to the school. I have had everything from a fire set by a student in the next classroom to a gun dropped in my classroom, but I have never called a student stupid. I have a serious problem with that.

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