A question for the bible-as-fact people

SassyPanties · October 2010

I have always wondered what the explanation is for this...so how do you justify it?

In genesis, God created Adam and Eve.

Then Adam and Eve had some kids. So logically, these were the only people in the world - Adam, Eve, and some kids.

Then, out of nowhere the kids start getting married to other people with huge families elsewhere in the world. Where did these other people come from???

MamatoJackson · October 2010

Don't you know you have to read, "Return of the Bible" for this answer?

I don't want to ruin it for you.

lilbit923 · October 2010

MamatoJackson:

Don't you know you have to read, "Return of the Bible" for this answer?

I don't want to ruin it for you.

:gigglesnort:

angiegail78 · October 2010

MamatoJackson:
Don't you know you have to read, "Return of the Bible" for this answer?
I don't want to ruin it for you.

::dead::

ericndarcy2009 · October 2010

In my experience, "Bible As Fact" peoples tend to ignore the parts they don't agree with or can't explain and just believe and quote/preach the parts they like

KRISTA555 · October 2010

It's generally accepted that there was a lot of inter-marrying going on, ie, there were more children of adam and eve than just cain and abel, and they had children with their siblings. Tongue Tied

1ht

Emmybean · October 2010

ericndarcy2009:
In my experience, "Bible As Fact" peoples tend to ignore the parts they don't agree with or can't explain and just believe and quote/preach the parts they like

I agree

**waits patiently for a Bible-as-facter to post so I can inspect her wardrobe for blended fabrics and make sure she isn't getting busy during her period**

AdamsMom4 · October 2010

The bible we have today has been translated and rewritten so many times, I'm sure some things were left out. I'm not a history buff, but I'm sure there's an explanation.

pleasebeonsale · October 2010

ericndarcy2009:
In my experience, "Bible As Fact" peoples tend to ignore the parts they don't agree with or can't explain and just believe and quote/preach the parts they like

This. I have opinions on the topic, but since I'm not caught up in Adam and Eve producing all the world's children, or the world being created in six 24 hour time periods, I'm not really equiped to answer.

angiegail78 · October 2010

Aw, no one wants to play with Sassy today.

pleasebeonsale · October 2010

Ooooh, I just remembered what someone who believes that told me.

All babies did come from A&E. All the inter-marrying was okie dokie because their dna was still perfect and therefore didn't produce problems when inter-marrying like it does today. Hadn't mutated yet, but as the group got bigger and mutations were introduced, etc, etc, and so on and so forth.

Now, please be kind enough to remember that I'm giving someone else's thoughts as best as I can remember- so don't hurt me.

angiegail78 · October 2010

pleasebeonsale:
Ooooh, I just remembered what someone who believes that told me.

All babies did come from A&E. All the inter-marrying was okie dokie because their dna was still perfect and therefore didn't produce problems when inter-marrying like it does today. Hadn't mutated yet, but as the group got bigger and mutations were introduced, etc, etc, and so on and so forth.

Now, please be kind enough to remember that I'm giving someone else's thoughts as best as I can remember- so don't hurt me.

huh, that kinda gives a new spin on the argument that legalizing gay marriage will lead to polygamy and incest.

pleasebeonsale · October 2010

angiegail78:
pleasebeonsale:

Ooooh, I just remembered what someone who believes that told me.

All babies did come from A&E. All the inter-marrying was okie dokie because their dna was still perfect and therefore didn't produce problems when inter-marrying like it does today. Hadn't mutated yet, but as the group got bigger and mutations were introduced, etc, etc, and so on and so forth.

Now, please be kind enough to remember that I'm giving someone else's thoughts as best as I can remember- so don't hurt me.

huh, that kinda gives a new spin on the argument that legalizing gay marriage will lead to polygamy and incest.

I have no idea if this is a common explanation or not.

Emmybean · October 2010

pleasebeonsale:
Ooooh, I just remembered what someone who believes that told me.

All babies did come from A&E. All the inter-marrying was okie dokie because their dna was still perfect and therefore didn't produce problems when inter-marrying like it does today. Hadn't mutated yet, but as the group got bigger and mutations were introduced, etc, etc, and so on and so forth.

Now, please be kind enough to remember that I'm giving someone else's thoughts as best as I can remember- so don't hurt me.

So we are all cousins of those super scary-antichrister-muslims?

*clutches pearls*

BrittKav · October 2010

Here's something I don't get.

Cain was Adam and Eve's first child. Cain killed his brother and was driven from the land. Cain wandered to another city (I think Nod?) and met his wife and had kids and built a new city and yada yada yada.

How could there have been another city for him to travel to if he & his parents and some younger siblings were the only ones on the planet at that time? Unless you say that by the time Cain killed Abel, A&E had had tons of other kids and a bunch of them had left and made their own city...?

I'd always thought it was generally accepted that God made other people after Adam and Eve. That's what I'd always thought, anyway.

hterry85 · October 2010

Someone of not religious scholar gave me their theory on this once. It was simply that God created more people than just Adam and Eve, they are jsut the only ones we hear about because they were the first.

Not a terrible theory I guess.

pleasebeonsale · October 2010

BrittKav:

Here's something I don't get.

Cain was Adam and Eve's first child. Cain killed his brother and was driven from the land. Cain wandered to another city (I think Nod?) and met his wife and had kids and built a new city and yada yada yada.

How could there have been another city for him to travel to if he & his parents and some younger siblings were the only ones on the planet at that time? Unless you say that by the time Cain killed Abel, A&E had had tons of other kids and a bunch of them had left and made their own city...?

I'd always thought it was generally accepted that God made other people after Adam and Eve. That's what I'd always thought, anyway.

You need to remember that Adam supposedly lived, what? 950 yrs?

So if you were going with literal then it's very possible there would shortly be other cities to travel to in what would still be the "beginning" for them (600 years or so? lol).

IDK. I think there was other people and that a lot of the story of A&E is, well, a story, meant to teach.

LaurierGirl28 · October 2010

This thread reminds me of why I'm an atheist - I simply do not understand, nor do I care to, how anyone could possibly take the bible literally. Or any religious book for that matter.

BrittKav · October 2010

pleasebeonsale:
BrittKav:

Here's something I don't get.
Cain was Adam and Eve's first child. Cain killed his brother and was driven from the land. Cain wandered to another city (I think Nod?) and met his wife and had kids and built a new city and yada yada yada.
How could there have been another city for him to travel to if he & his parents and some younger siblings were the only ones on the planet at that time? Unless you say that by the time Cain killed Abel, A&E had had tons of other kids and a bunch of them had left and made their own city...?
I'd always thought it was generally accepted that God made other people after Adam and Eve. That's what I'd always thought, anyway.
You need to remember that Adam supposedly lived, what? 950 yrs?
So if you were going with literal then it's very possible there would shortly be other cities to travel to in what would still be the "beginning" for them (600 years or so? lol).
IDK. I think there was other people and that a lot of the story of A&E is, well, a story, meant to teach.

Duh, totally forgot that Cain could've been 500+ years old when he killed Abel. Stick out tongue Kind of funny to imagine how that fight went down. I wonder if bodies aged differently?

talltalltrees · October 2010

MamatoJackson:
Don't you know you have to read, "Return of the Bible" for this answer?
I don't want to ruin it for you.

You win the internets.

nestinginjapan · October 2010

hterry85:
Someone of not religious scholar gave me their theory on this once. It was simply that God created more people than just Adam and Eve, they are jsut the only ones we hear about because they were the first.

Not a terrible theory I guess.

This is similar to that theory -- that the Hebrew word that's translated as "Adam" means "man" as in humanity; not 1 person. So God created humanity as a whole. I don't think that Genesis should be taken word-for-word literally, anyway. There are lots of other creation stories from other ancient near eastern texts that follow a similar pattern as the Genesis creation account, so it's not totally unique *gasp*

There are also flood stories that are very similar to the Noah account, suggesting that the flood could have been a localized event, but they thought it was world-wide because their world was so small to them. I think all the parallels are really interesting! sorry ... that was a tangent. but I miss studying all of this!

aocain02@yahoo.com · October 2010

Adam and Eve had numerous sons and daughters who had to have married and had children of their own. Marrying your sibling was acceptable until the time of Moses. I opened this awhile ago before getting busy at work so maybe someone already answered.

SassyPanties · October 2010

MamatoJackson:

Don't you know you have to read, "Return of the Bible" for this answer?

I don't want to ruin it for you.

This went so far over my head I have no idea if you are laughing at me or with me.

soko987 · October 2010

Clearly, we are all inbred.

SassyPanties · October 2010

nestinginjapan:
hterry85:

Someone of not religious scholar gave me their theory on this once. It was simply that God created more people than just Adam and Eve, they are jsut the only ones we hear about because they were the first.

Not a terrible theory I guess.

This is similar to that theory -- that the Hebrew word that's translated as "Adam" means "man" as in humanity; not 1 person. So God created humanity as a whole. I don't think that Genesis should be taken word-for-word literally, anyway. There are lots of other creation stories from other ancient near eastern texts that follow a similar pattern as the Genesis creation account, so it's not totally unique *gasp*

There are also flood stories that are very similar to the Noah account, suggesting that the flood could have been a localized event, but they thought it was world-wide because their world was so small to them. I think all the parallels are really interesting! sorry ... that was a tangent. but I miss studying all of this!

I actually find that whole take on the bible really interesting.

There was a great show on the history channel a few years back about the plagues of Moses and how scientifically they all may have actually happened. They found real evidence pointing to how all of those things could be explained by geologic activity. Now that is interesting.

JeniLovesNeil · October 2010

LaurierGirl28:
This thread reminds me of why I'm an atheist - I simply do not understand, nor do I care to, how anyone could possibly take the bible literally. Or any religious book for that matter.

These are my exact thoughts.

epphd · October 2010

ALG29:
Adam and Eve had numerous sons and daughters who had to have married and had children of their own. Marrying your sibling was acceptable until the time of Moses. I opened this awhile ago before getting busy at work so maybe someone already answered.

Apparently God didn't get around to inventing heritable diseases that result from inbreeding until later. Brilliant.

SassyPanties · October 2010

epphd:

ALG29:
Adam and Eve had numerous sons and daughters who had to have married and had children of their own. Marrying your sibling was acceptable until the time of Moses. I opened this awhile ago before getting busy at work so maybe someone already answered.

Apparently God didn't get around to inventing heritable diseases that result from inbreeding until later. Brilliant.

genetic variability didn't matter in the time of the bible. They all had a bunch of extra genes floating around that they used for those purposes.

Duh.

LaurierGirl28 · October 2010

Sassy_Panties:
epphd:

ALG29:
Adam and Eve had numerous sons and daughters who had to have married and had children of their own. Marrying your sibling was acceptable until the time of Moses. I opened this awhile ago before getting busy at work so maybe someone already answered.
Apparently God didn't get around to inventing heritable diseases that result from inbreeding until later. Brilliant.
genetic variability didn't matter in the time of the bible. They all had a bunch of extra genes floating around that they used for those purposes.
Duh.

FTW!

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