Question regarding the Bundle Me.....(might be stupid)

LoveyFNR · October 2010

So DS will be born late November/early December in Minnesota. So I'm guessing it will be EXTREMELY cold. We bought a JJ Cole Bundle Me and plan on using it on our way home from the hospital. Do I put it on then put the head positioner on OVER it? I'm guessing so but I don't have an instruction manual for it so I thought I'd ask you ladies.

Chloe77 · October 2010

That's what I do. Put it on the seat and then snap the head positioner over that. People are going to tell you not to use BundleMe's, but I use them and don't have concerns about safety.

Mt2G1012 · October 2010

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2010

Chloe77:
That's what I do. Put it on the seat and then snap the head positioner over that. People are going to tell you not to use BundleMe's, but I use them and don't have concerns about safety.

I agree with all of this.

If you are one of those people who is overly cautious regarding safety, a friend of mine cut the back piece of the bundle me (the part between the velcro) so there was absolutely nothing affecting the carseat straps.

Mt2G1012 · October 2010

This isn't just about being overly cautious. With Chicco, if you add anything to the seat and get in an accident and something happens to the baby as a result of the car seat not working properly, they have no liability at all since you void everything with them.

bmqcmg · October 2010

heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

We got these as well instead of the Bundle Me, because of the safety issues.

LittleApple · October 2010

If you plan on using the Bundle Me, I highly suggest you cut out the back of it so there is no interference with the car seat straps. And yes, you put the head positioner on top of the Bundle Me.

Here is a good post about the BundleMe with reasons and pictures as to why they are unsafe for infant car seat use.

https://tinyurl.com/2dzdkbh

FYI, JJ Cole just came out with this shower cap type and at $29.99 is much cheaper than the original Bundle Me. I saw them in-store at BRU last week.

https://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4389487

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2010

heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers
Machine washable
Crash tested- FMVSS 213
For babies 0-12 mos

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2010

heatherm818:
This isn't just about being overly cautious. With Chicco, if you add anything to the seat and get in an accident and something happens to the baby as a result of the car seat not working properly, they have no liability at all since you void everything with them.

That might have been the case in the past, but doesn't seem to be accurate anymore.

LoveyFNR · October 2010

Ah great. Thanks for all the tips! I'll look into the other cover as well. I know the back piece you are referring to so I'll take a look into removing it and working around that.

Thanks again ladies!

MichelleL1118 · October 2010

Of course JJ Cole claims that the product is safe - but check with the manufacturer of your car seat. Some have approved the Bundle Me for use (or had in the past), but most have not.

LittleApple · October 2010

KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.
This
Are you sure about that?
In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:
Use with car seats, strollers and joggers
Machine washable
Crash tested- FMVSS 213
For babies 0-12 mos

I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.

Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

Mt2G1012 · October 2010

LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.
This
Are you sure about that?
In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:
Use with car seats, strollers and joggers
Machine washable
Crash tested- FMVSS 213
For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

This. I called Chicco directly since there is so much conflicting info on here and the internet. Of course JJ Cole says they are safe, they want you to buy them. Maybe they are. But Chicco says do NOT use them with their car seats or they aren't liable.

t.bird · October 2010

for what it's worth- i used a Bundle Me Lite with alex & had no issues with gaps, twisted straps or anything.

frschaffner · October 2010

heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Walmart sells something similar online for $15.00.

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2010

LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers

Machine washable

Crash tested- FMVSS 213

For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

For your reading pleasure...

https://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf

I figure if this product was so unsafe, it would have been recalled a long time ago. I feel comfortable that it does not affect the integrity of the straps. You have your opinions, I have mine. I figure the probability that I get in an accident, the carseat doesn't work and I need to sue Graco is pretty minimal.

SammyJJo · October 2010

FWIW, our carseat inspector told us not to use anything like the BundleMe and instead use a blanket or one of the over-wraps that PP linked to. I guess I trust her more than JJ Cole; after all It's her job to know car seat safety and it's JJ Cole's job to sell stuff.

UrbanHippieMama · October 2010

KC_13:
LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers

Machine washable

Crash tested- FMVSS 213

For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

For your reading pleasure...

https://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf

I figure if this product was so unsafe, it would have been recalled a long time ago. I feel comfortable that it does not affect the integrity of the straps. You have your opinions, I have mine. I figure the probability that I get in an accident, the carseat doesn't work and I need to sue Graco is pretty minimal.

It is safe when used properly, which is not in a car. When used in a car seat/stroller for walks, it's perfectly safe. There is so much proof that they're unsafe in cars, and when there are safe alternatives out there, I guess I just don't see the point of taking a stupid risk with my child's life. To each their own I guess...

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2010

firsttimemama:
KC_13:
LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers

Machine washable

Crash tested- FMVSS 213

For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

For your reading pleasure...

https://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf

I figure if this product was so unsafe, it would have been recalled a long time ago. I feel comfortable that it does not affect the integrity of the straps. You have your opinions, I have mine. I figure the probability that I get in an accident, the carseat doesn't work and I need to sue Graco is pretty minimal.

It is safe when used properly, which is not in a car. When used in a car seat/stroller for walks, it's perfectly safe. There is so much proof that they're unsafe in cars, and when there are safe alternatives out there, I guess I just don't see the point of taking a stupid risk with my child's life. To each their own I guess...

I have never seen any "proof" that the straps are negatively affected in an accident with the bundle me. It's easy enough if you have the product to use it in such a way that it does not affect the carseat straps in any way, shape or form. I don't see the risk to my child's life at all, personally. Sometimes I think people just go way overboard and take pictures from babycenter as proof that something is unsafe. It's silly to me, really. I think if there were evidence that a crash occurred and the bundle me directly affected the carseat's safety, it would be common knowledge.

pawcall · October 2010

Chloe77:
That's what I do. Put it on the seat and then snap the head positioner over that. People are going to tell you not to use BundleMe's, but I use them and don't have concerns about safety.

The fact that you "aren't concerned" doesn't actually make it safe. Just FYI.

Mt2G1012 · October 2010

SammyJJo:
FWIW, our carseat inspector told us not to use anything like the BundleMe and instead use a blanket or one of the over-wraps that PP linked to. I guess I trust her more than JJ Cole; after all It's her job to know car seat safety and it's JJ Cole's job to sell stuff.

This.

@ OP: I don't care what anyone does. I'm just providing the info I found and why I chose not to use one. This is like using bumpers. Some people are comfortable with the risks, others are not. You have to make a decision based on what you think is best

darlene'smommy · October 2010

KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers
Machine washable
Crash tested- FMVSS 213
For babies 0-12 mos

I like the way this tech puts it.c&p from link

" They could throw it against the wall and call it crash tested. Did they perform an actual crash test? Maybe. But there are no regulations on how it should affect car seats, and there is no possible weay it could "meet 213" because 213 does not apply to the product in any way.
That's like saying putting a magnent on your fridge door doesn't violate the refrigerant regulation code".

https://www.car-seat.org/showpost.php?p=82245&postcount=5

Im sorry but when they sell safer products why use on thats not safe to use and may void your warrenty if your in a crash?

Here are tons that are ok to use in car seats and car seat manufactures are ok with you using them.

This is the one we plan on getting.

https://www.mysweetdreamsbaby.com/carseatcovers.htm

https://www.amazon.com/Faux-Shearling-Pouch-Infant-Cover/dp/B000284WX6

https://www.dafooni.com/ayr.html

https://babypolargear.com/infant_car_seat_covers.html

This one is by j j cole same thing as the bundle me but does not have the backing and is safer.

https://jjcolecollections.com/car-seat-cover

Walmart, Target and babies r us also sell them.

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2010

heatherm818:

SammyJJo:
FWIW, our carseat inspector told us not to use anything like the BundleMe and instead use a blanket or one of the over-wraps that PP linked to. I guess I trust her more than JJ Cole; after all It's her job to know car seat safety and it's JJ Cole's job to sell stuff.

This.

@ OP: I don't care what anyone does. I'm just providing the info I found and why I chose not to use one. This is like using bumpers. Some people are comfortable with the risks, others are not. You have to make a decision based on what you think is best

I agree with this.

darlene'smommy · October 2010

I should also add im a Child passanger safety tech or a car seat tech. The training I did and still do since I keep up my certification works with NHTSA.

NoemiJ · October 2010

KC_13:

heatherm818:
This isn't just about being overly cautious. With Chicco, if you add anything to the seat and get in an accident and something happens to the baby as a result of the car seat not working properly, they have no liability at all since you void everything with them.

That might have been the case in the past, but doesn't seem to be accurate anymore.

Actually Chicco has a statement on their website stating that anything added to the car seat voids the warranty. They ask parents to dress their babies in warm clothes and use blankets.

NoemiJ · October 2010

KC_13:
LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers

Machine washable

Crash tested- FMVSS 213

For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

For your reading pleasure...

https://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf

I figure if this product was so unsafe, it would have been recalled a long time ago. I feel comfortable that it does not affect the integrity of the straps. You have your opinions, I have mine. I figure the probability that I get in an accident, the carseat doesn't work and I need to sue Graco is pretty minimal.

The thing is that if Graco explicitly says that using additinal items in the car seat voids their warranty, you won't be able to sue them.

darlene'smommy · October 2010

NoemiJ:
KC_13:
LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers

Machine washable

Crash tested- FMVSS 213

For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

For your reading pleasure...

https://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf

I figure if this product was so unsafe, it would have been recalled a long time ago. I feel comfortable that it does not affect the integrity of the straps. You have your opinions, I have mine. I figure the probability that I get in an accident, the carseat doesn't work and I need to sue Graco is pretty minimal.

The thing is that if Graco explicitly says that using additinal items in the car seat voids their warranty, you won't be able to sue them.

Graco does state it in their manuals not to add anything to their car seats. So they can not be sued if your child is hurt and it is the car seats fault.

c&p right from a manual of the sungride. It is in every manual

DO NOT MODIFY YOUR INFANT RESTRAINT AND BASE or use any accessories or parts supplied by other manufacturers. page 16 of this pdf https://download.gracobaby.com/ProductInstructionManuals/ISPC090BB.pdf

LittleApple · October 2010

Darlene's Mommy- Thanks for chiming in. I knew you would have great info to back this argument up

larrysdarling · October 2010

Dude, have DH heat up the car ahead of time. Put a blanket over the kid's lap. Problem solved. You do have heat in the car, no?

And PS it's not just about not being able to sue. It's about keeping your kid alive and not maimed in an accident.

Mjmksb04 · October 2010

KC_13:
firsttimemama:
KC_13:
LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers

Machine washable

Crash tested- FMVSS 213

For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

For your reading pleasure...

https://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf

I figure if this product was so unsafe, it would have been recalled a long time ago. I feel comfortable that it does not affect the integrity of the straps. You have your opinions, I have mine. I figure the probability that I get in an accident, the carseat doesn't work and I need to sue Graco is pretty minimal.

It is safe when used properly, which is not in a car. When used in a car seat/stroller for walks, it's perfectly safe. There is so much proof that they're unsafe in cars, and when there are safe alternatives out there, I guess I just don't see the point of taking a stupid risk with my child's life. To each their own I guess...

I have never seen any "proof" that the straps are negatively affected in an accident with the bundle me. It's easy enough if you have the product to use it in such a way that it does not affect the carseat straps in any way, shape or form. I don't see the risk to my child's life at all, personally. Sometimes I think people just go way overboard and take pictures from babycenter as proof that something is unsafe. It's silly to me, really. I think if there were evidence that a crash occurred and the bundle me directly affected the carseat's safety, it would be common knowledge.

I hesitate to add to the pile on, but actually it sort of is common knowledge that the bundle me's are not safe. Please, please for the safety of your child return it and get one of the covers that goes around the seat.

Chloe77 · October 2010

cdobry01:

Chloe77:
That's what I do. Put it on the seat and then snap the head positioner over that. People are going to tell you not to use BundleMe's, but I use them and don't have concerns about safety.

The fact that you "aren't concerned" doesn't actually make it safe. Just FYI.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what's safe. Just telling her what I do and what I'm concerned (or not) about. But thanks for the info - I thought I knew everything, I guess you sure told me!

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2010

Mjmksb04:
KC_13:
firsttimemama:
KC_13:
LittleApple:
KC_13:
heatherm818:

You should not use it period. They void all warranties and guarantees of safety on almost all car seats. They are not safe. I live in WI, so I know how cold it gets. Put a blanket over the seat or use this. This is what we got.

This

Are you sure about that?

In line with JJ Cole's commitment to child safety, the Original Bundle Me has been tested to FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) 213 requirements. Tests performed on infant car seats with the JJ Cole Original Bundle Me installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

The JJ Cole Original Bundle Me - Graphite features:

Use with car seats, strollers and joggers

Machine washable

Crash tested- FMVSS 213

For babies 0-12 mos
I don't care what sort of "tests" JJ Cole did. I encourage you to find out what this FMVSS 213 requirement is and report it back to us. Thanks.
Did you bother to read your car seat manual? It states that using ANY accessory with your car seat is not recommended and could put your child in potential danger.

For your reading pleasure...

https://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf

I figure if this product was so unsafe, it would have been recalled a long time ago. I feel comfortable that it does not affect the integrity of the straps. You have your opinions, I have mine. I figure the probability that I get in an accident, the carseat doesn't work and I need to sue Graco is pretty minimal.

It is safe when used properly, which is not in a car. When used in a car seat/stroller for walks, it's perfectly safe. There is so much proof that they're unsafe in cars, and when there are safe alternatives out there, I guess I just don't see the point of taking a stupid risk with my child's life. To each their own I guess...

I have never seen any "proof" that the straps are negatively affected in an accident with the bundle me. It's easy enough if you have the product to use it in such a way that it does not affect the carseat straps in any way, shape or form. I don't see the risk to my child's life at all, personally. Sometimes I think people just go way overboard and take pictures from babycenter as proof that something is unsafe. It's silly to me, really. I think if there were evidence that a crash occurred and the bundle me directly affected the carseat's safety, it would be common knowledge.

I hesitate to add to the pile on, but actually it sort of is common knowledge that the bundle me's are not safe. Please, please for the safety of your child return it and get one of the covers that goes around the seat.

Thanks for your concern, but from my research I disagree.

TheDreamingTree · October 2010

Do you put the baby in a snow suit or winter coat too, while using a shower cap cover? I have read that snow suits and heavy coats are not supposed to be used in the car seat, but how do you keep baby warm in just a cover that goes over the carseat?Or just put a blanket over the baby, under the cover, and that should be warm enough? I have two snowsuits but I am worried I cannot use them in the car seat now?

Forgive me, I am just trying to make sure baby is warm enough in the car seat.

UrbanHippieMama · October 2010

JosieLynne:

Do you put the baby in a snow suit or winter coat too, while using a shower cap cover? I have read that snow suits and heavy coats are not supposed to be used in the car seat, but how do you keep baby warm in just a cover that goes over the carseat?Or just put a blanket over the baby, under the cover, and that should be warm enough? I have two snowsuits but I am worried I cannot use them in the car seat now?

Forgive me, I am just trying to make sure baby is warm enough in the car seat.

Snow suits are not safe in car seats. Put your baby in layers, and use a couple blankets under the cover. And the cover is really warm!

TheDreamingTree · October 2010

thanks:)

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