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sleeping5beauty
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So sick of RF/FF carseat posts!!
sleeping5beauty
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I just want to say most of us weren't in carseats past 2 or 3 if your lucky. Are we all alive or not? Yes I'm going to keep my kid in a carseat for a few years then a booster seat after that. But it's the parents choice to do whatever they want. After a kid is 20lbs and 1 year old no law says you have to keep them rear facing. Plus most rear facing accidents kids end up with a broken leg. Well they also say with a forward facing seat most injuries are a broken leg.... So it sound like your kid is probably going to get a broke leg either way. You are the parent of your child. Do you really need to tell everyone else how to raise theirs?
Flame me all you want, but Orion will be forward facing shortly after his first birthday. It's my child and my choice!
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Re: So sick of RF/FF carseat posts!!
*lets out sigh of relief*
Thank you for this. I wanted to say something but was scared I'd get flamed for having mine forward facing... the manual says that his weight is okay and I'm having problems installing it rear-facing.
Get ready for a ton of youtube links...
A) I would check the laws in your state regarding booster seats etc. I know here they have to be in one until they are 8 and in I belive MI it's 9.
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You do realize that you are breaking the law right? It's not just 20 pounds it's one year AND 20 pounds.
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10/1/12 miracle BFP 11/12/12 missed m/c (9w2d), baby stopped growing at 7 weeks
1/16/13 BFP, EDD 9/27/13, m/c 1/19/13
2/12/13 BFP, EDD 10/25/13 Please stick little one
A stowaway on board!
Yep. I'm alive. But, thankfully I was also never in an accident
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I am going to FF my child at 1, because it's impossible for him to hand me my beer when he's rear facing.
imagine the cop pulling out the baby scale?
'scuse me ma'am, this baby is only 19lbs 9 ounces:
What burns me up is the people who think "Oh my baby outgrew their infant seat...time to forward face" when their kid is 6 or 7 or even 9 months old. SERIOUSLY?! That's so ignorant. Why don't people do their research?
I'm fine with those who choose to FF after 1 year and 20 lbs. I'm totally NOT okay with those who put their BABIES life at risk because their too ignorant to read the instructions on a carseat that CLEARLY state that the seat can 1. rear face and 2. it's the law until 1 yr/20lbs.
I'm all for extended rear facing, but I also think the judgemental thing gets old in a hurry. The reality is that the new rear facing recommendations are just that - new. Not everyone who faces their child forward at 1 year and 20 pounds wants their child to be injured or only cares about her own convenience, but you wouldn't know if from some of the rhetoric here and on FB.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
The argument that just because our parents didn't do something and we turned out fine is not only uneducated but also irresponsible.
It's called research. Since the time of our parents, research has been conducted and it has shown that children are safer in rear-facing car seats. The new recommendation by the AAP is to rearface through the limit of your car seat.
You are also veryuneducated on the facts of rear-facing. There have been hundreds of cases of children who have died or seriously injured themselves from being in a forward facing car. There have been NO reported cases of a child breaking their leg from being in a rear facing seat. NONE.
Besides, I'd take a broken leg over something much more severe any damn day.
And yes, I'm judging you. I don't judge moms who make an informed decision. You are not. Educate yourself.
I had to buy a new convertible carseat because the one I originally bought couldn't recline and make the line parallel to the ground. Far from it actually. So, "having problems putting it in" sounds lazy imo.
Whatever you chose to do, because "we're still alive" shouldn't even be part of your argument. There is a reason the recommendations have been changed. These things have been studied. We know better now.
I plan to do extended RF for as long as possible because I'd like my child's spinal cord to remain intact in case of an accident. Maybe I just don't get why anyone would switch them FF if RF is recommended PAST the 1 yr/20 lbs?
I probably should not even post this but it just confuses me why people are so fast to switch.
Well, I looked it up (for my state anyways), and I do understand how much safer it is to have him rear-facing, it is also recommended on the site, but no where does it say it's illegal. Yes, I know, just because it's not illegal doesn't make it safe. And no, I'm not 'being lazy', we have followed the instructions of the manual in detail and really could not install it rear-facing. It just didn't physically fit/work. Like you said, I can take it in to the fire dept. to have this put it in. I highly believe in rear-facing as well, thank you for the info.
Everyone's got their reasons. Some reasons are more acceptable than others. I think the OP was just stating that she is sick of the constant judgement of RF/FF.
Personally, our MAIN reason? DS out grew the RF limits for our seat. Granted he was also 13 months and far beyond 20 lbs at the time. We have several other petty reasons why we FF, but they were not our deciding factor.
While I am going to follow the new guidelines and RF until 2 as advised, my DD1 is 6 and when she was an infant.. this was NOT an issue. I turned her around at 12 months as the law states. Now I feel guilty that she "could" have been injured, and that I was being unsafe. We had no way to know that it was unsafe, b/c there was no information to tell us. I will do it with this kid, b/c it's shown to be safer. I don't care if it's a pain, uncomfortable, or whatever.
I'm still not going to judge another mother that doesn't extended RF... I don't care, really. Now if the kid was jumping all over the car in no seat at all... diff story. I'll judge and open my big mouth.
I am all for RF as long as possible, but I don't really care what others do. The stats are out there, if people choose not to listen to them then so be it, it's not my kid. I'm not here to be the RF advocate.
I just want to know WHY you wouldn't want your child to RF, what does it matter to you if you have to put them in FF or RF?
We are RF till we are ready to switch her. I am pro extended RF. BUT i am sooooo sick and tired of the uber judgy moms with their damn links to that terrible video. I think its really ballsy to post that on FB too. I still havnt watched that. And i dont plan too. I think its fair to say that extended RF is a "newish" thing and not most know about it. I had no idea till i was on here. I have since sharred my thoughts with friends and family, but just like religion, i dont go shoving my beliefs down others throats. Im all for an educated conversation about the pros/cons but the bitchy judies need to leave it at the door.
But i do think that FF early is WRONG. keep using your infant seat. I dont care if its heavy, leave it in the car. Bottom line, you are breaking the law.
If your seat "dosnt work" in your car RF, try another seat. We just bought our 3rd seat! And its the first one that fits like it should!
Ahhh the mommy wars.
Honestly these posts seem to serve the purpose of letting everyong indulge in a big judgy pile on. Will I do extended RF? Yep. Do I feel the need to explain to someone why I will or won't? No. And frankly I also don't have the energy to demand the explanation as to why someone else will or won't.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
You know a lot of people drive drunk, helll, I'VE driven drunk before and thankfully was never in an accident. That doesn't make it a valid excuse for me being an unsafe assshole on the road. Just because we weren't in car seats when we were little doesn't make it ok now. We had cribs covered in lead paint too and that isn't ok anymore either.
Rear facing is proven to be the safest way possible for babies and kids. I will take 2 broken legs or 2 broken arms on my daughter over a SEVERED spinal cord from an accident.
I never normally get into any sort of car seat debates...but I'm tired of hearing the argument. It is YOUR kid, make your choice, but your choice might not be the safest.
First of all, there have no been any reports or solid evidence to support the claim that kids that extended rear face break legs in crashes. Its just not true. Please don't throw that around as an excuse without something to back it up.
Second, I don't really care what other people do as long as the follow the law. I don't necessarily think its the best decision, but I'm sure people don't think all my decisions are awesome either. To each their own.
I will tell you this. A good friend of mine hit a patch of black ice and rolled his truck down a hill. He had his daughter and her sister (same mom, different dad) in the car. His daughter had, unbeknownst to him (they think she did it a few seconds to a minute before the accident), unbuckled the seatbelt holding her booster in. The other girl was buckled in her booster.
His daughter spend a month in children's hospital, 2 weeks of that she was in a coma. She had seizures. My friend was SICK with guilt. She's fully recoverd, Thank God, but seeing people I care about go through something like that was unforgettable. Because of that, I will always follow what is recommended as safest, and, unfortunately, the law doesn't always match the current research.
Annelise 3.22.2007 Norah 10.24.2009 Amelia 8.7.2011
Can you point me to the statistics that show that ERF saves more lives than FF at the legal age/weight limit? I understand that based on crash test data it seems that ERF can certainly reduce injuries in the rare event of a serious crash, but are there data to support this "life saving" information?
Again - I support ERF. But jebus, everyone is getting up on their haunches like anyone who doesn't is throwing her baby to the lions.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
Yeah, I'm alive...but those who died can't really speak up, can they?
I'm not gonna argue FF/RF but this argument in regards to anything is illogical and drives me crazy.
buahahaha.
Because our parents did what they wanted and we didn't die. Duh.
Annelise 3.22.2007 Norah 10.24.2009 Amelia 8.7.2011
Chuckles because the law 5 years ago, when my DS was an infant was 1 year OR 20lbs... So I turned him around at 20lbs, b/c he no longer fit his infant seat, and that's what I was told I was supposed to do. That said. DD will be RF longer, because we purchased a new seat that would allow her to do so.
Just because we survived, doesn't mean that there isn't good, valid research that shows ERFing is best for our children. What mother doesn't want the best for her child, after all? Generally, when these laws and recommendations change, it's because it could have prevented the death of some other young child out there- so, yeah, you made it, but some other kid didn't. Do you really want to be the mom of that other kid, just because you made it through that round of this roulette game we call life?
I'm a supporter of people making their own decisions for their own children. Everyone should do the research and make the decisions that are best for them.
But everyone is throwing around the "follow the law" thing and that shows that most people haven't done the research on their own, they're simply picking up what others have said and then putting it back out there.
Only 17 states have a low requiring rear facing child seats at all. That's right, in all other 33 states you can turn FF anytime you want. Technically I could have taken DS home from the hospital in a Britax Marathon FF, because CA has no law about which direction a child seat should face.
touch?, sort of! Again the law and what the manufacturers have to say are two different things. Yes, DS's marathon says rear facing for infants, but CA law just stipulates that he is in a child seat, not which way it should face. They could not write me a ticket for FF. And we could have used the seat as a NB even with out an insert. He was heavy enough to use it at birth.
remember the pictures a few years ago of Britney Spears with her son in the back FF under 1. Not illegal, no ticket.
now regardless of all of this, we did not use the marathon at birth, we had an infant seat. And he is RF, and will be for quite some time. I was simply pointing out that most states do not have laws that stipulate what direction the seats face. Even though people are always yelling "you're breaking the law".