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Repost from 0-3- Really need sleep AP advice...

DS has been a great sleeper for the most part for a long time.   He would nap well and go to sleep easily.

Recently he has not wanted to nap after 3/4 pm and if he does, it's for 15 min at 6ish.  Bedtime routine starts at 7 and he is out after bath, massage, book and nursing.  I lay him down at 730/8.  I call it a "routine" because this is when he has been tired for the night, therefore this is when I've been puttin him down for weeks.

The last 3 days he is up a half hour later.  Soothed back to sleep.  Up 15 min later.  Soothed....  Up 15 min later.... And before you know it it was 845, 9 and tonight, he's still up.  Grouchy, crying, unable to be soothed back down with periods of laughing and smiling.  Before I had to go back in and sooth him once or twice, but this 5, 6, more times is rediculous. 

I'm at a loss.  I can't let him CIO when he wakes up after initially going down, but I feel like my constant soothing him back to sleep is only making the situation worse.  I let him fuss for 5 min but then it turns into all out screaming.  Patting his bumb, rubbing the back, even nursing back to sleep didn'twork.... 

AP advice?

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Re: Repost from 0-3- Really need sleep AP advice...

  • Honestly, he'll get through it.  DS went through something similar not too long ago and things are better.  How is he napping during the day?  Good naps always help DS settle better at night.  Also, maybe try the routine a little sooner, he could just be overtired which could cause the restlessness and constant waking.  I know how frustrating it is, trust me. Could your DH or SO alternate with you?  
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  • I agree try putting him to bed earlier. Also have you tried keeping him with you for awhile after he falls asleep? You might need to let him getting into a deeper sleep before laying him down. Right now I would just keep the lights dim, the sounds down and let him stay up with you and just try to cuddle him or wear him and walk around he's probably overtired so just let him calm down. I know it's tough and I don't mean to sound snarky at all but he is going to go through so many sleep changes don't get to accustomed to any just yet. It could be a growth spurt coming up as well!
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  • congratulations! you've hit a developmental milestone and the world is now very interesting. specifically, his eyes "turned on" and now he can focus, see color, and is starting to process what he sees.

    continue being consistent and he'll settle back down. he's getting stimulated and overtired for now - so cut out the talking and laughing. you should basically be as boring (but loving) as possible after bedtime.

    and you're right: he's WAY too young for CIO. If he's crying, he's trying to tell you something.

    good luck!

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  • I don't have an answer for you since Livy is a terrible sleeper due to health issues.  However, I did want to say that even though you may be frustrated and exausted, your baby is FAR to young to CIO.  Even those who advocate CIO (and I don't at all) say that you should never do it as young as your baby.

    You wouldn't expect a 2yr old to ride a bike without training wheels.  This is kind of similar.  You have a very young baby who is learning to set a schedule and sleep like we do...

    Good luck and take any help you can get.  See if there is a family member or friend who would be willing to rock your LO while you get a nap.  Or nap with your LO. 

  • My DS had occasions where he would do this type of thing, and it was usually because he would fall asleep before he had sufficient milk.  He likes to cluster feed at night and we will spend a good hour of him latching on and off of the breast, eating as he pleases.  The frequent wakings ended up being just temporary for us once we figured this out.  Gas also sometime will do this to our DS.  Try lifting his legs to his belly to see if he needs to fart.
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  • I'm not going to assume you're doing what we did, but I seem to recall going through something similar with DS around that time. We had been used to passing the time while trying to get him to sleep by having the TV on, using the computer while I nursed him, etc. That all had to stop around then, unfortunately. It was way too much stimulation. It had to be dark and quiet if he was in the room. Even us talking to each other got his attention--it was like he was afraid he'd miss something id he slept!

    Other than keeping things really dark and quiet, I can't offer much help. Unfortunately, DS has been a horrendously bad sleeper. He was still waking 6-8 times a night at 8 months. I can tell you that (knock on wood!) he's doing much better at 10 months. Stick out tongue

     Good luck!

  • Sounds normal (though not fun at all!).  6-8 weeks is their fussiest time.  Also, you can expect his sleeping habits to change a lot.  I never know what to expect from DD.  It seems that every time I think we are establishing a sleeping pattern, she throws me for a loop and establishes a new one. Have you read The Wonder Weeks?  I just checked this out from the library -- it's based on the idea that babies get fussiest and become difficult sleepers when they go through big developmental leaps.  I recommend it.  DD has followed its pattern to a tee.  My AP advice, just continue to soothe him if he seems tired and if he's not tired go with it.  As Dr. Sears says, you can create the right conditions for sleep, but you can't make a baby sleep.  Let your baby tell you what he needs.
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    Honestly, he'll get through it.  DS went through something similar not too long ago and things are better.  How is he napping during the day?  Good naps always help DS settle better at night.  Also, maybe try the routine a little sooner, he could just be overtired which could cause the restlessness and constant waking.  I know how frustrating it is, trust me. Could your DH or SO alternate with you?  

    Naps stink.  Again, he used to nap well.  After about 1.5/2 hours he needs a nap and we'll go down for maybe 15-30 min, although he takes a good nap in the morning about an hour after he wakes up. 

    As for switching, I can't because DH works at night, from 4-12ish.  So I'm on my own.  Which makes it that much worse because I feel like his sleep at night depends on me.  It's a lot of pressure. 

    Routine earlier???  Putting him down to sleep at 7?  I'll try it but it seems SOOO early.

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    I agree try putting him to bed earlier. Also have you tried keeping him with you for awhile after he falls asleep? You might need to let him getting into a deeper sleep before laying him down. Right now I would just keep the lights dim, the sounds down and let him stay up with you and just try to cuddle him or wear him and walk around he's probably overtired so just let him calm down. I know it's tough and I don't mean to sound snarky at all but he is going to go through so many sleep changes don't get to accustomed to any just yet. It could be a growth spurt coming up as well!

    I'll try the routine earlier.  Who knows?  Maybe it'll work. 

    He nurses to sleep.  I keep him with me for a bit, until he's sort of snoring and his limbs are limp.  I lay him down and he wakes up  half hour later.  Without fail. 

    And I know he'll have changes.  I wouldn't mind if he stays up or changes but damn, he gets cranky.  I listen to his signs and go from there.  I guess I should count my lucky stars that he sleeps for 12 hours basically, with waking only once to feed.  Last night he went down at 11:15 and he woke at 7am to eat, and went right back down till 1030. Be happy with what you have I guess. lol

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  • imagemiaomi:

    I don't have an answer for you since Livy is a terrible sleeper due to health issues.  However, I did want to say that even though you may be frustrated and exausted, your baby is FAR to young to CIO.  Even those who advocate CIO (and I don't at all) say that you should never do it as young as your baby.

    You wouldn't expect a 2yr old to ride a bike without training wheels.  This is kind of similar.  You have a very young baby who is learning to set a schedule and sleep like we do...

    Good luck and take any help you can get.  See if there is a family member or friend who would be willing to rock your LO while you get a nap.  Or nap with your LO. 

    Oh I know.  I don't think I would do CIO even when he's old enough. I can't stand to hear him cry.  It makes my heart and boobs hurt.  lol

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  • imagemrsfirefly:
    Sounds normal (though not fun at all!).  6-8 weeks is their fussiest time.  Also, you can expect his sleeping habits to change a lot.  I never know what to expect from DD.  It seems that every time I think we are establishing a sleeping pattern, she throws me for a loop and establishes a new one. Have you read The Wonder Weeks?  I just checked this out from the library -- it's based on the idea that babies get fussiest and become difficult sleepers when they go through big developmental leaps.  I recommend it.  DD has followed its pattern to a tee.  My AP advice, just continue to soothe him if he seems tired and if he's not tired go with it.  As Dr. Sears says, you can create the right conditions for sleep, but you can't make a baby sleep.  Let your baby tell you what he needs.

    Well he's almost 11 weeks but you're right, weeks 5 and 6 were awful!!!  He screamed from 8-11 every night.  All of a sudden, it stopped.  So I hear ya.

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    imageKestrel84:
    Honestly, he'll get through it.  DS went through something similar not too long ago and things are better.  How is he napping during the day?  Good naps always help DS settle better at night.  Also, maybe try the routine a little sooner, he could just be overtired which could cause the restlessness and constant waking.  I know how frustrating it is, trust me. Could your DH or SO alternate with you?  

    Naps stink.  Again, he used to nap well.  After about 1.5/2 hours he needs a nap and we'll go down for maybe 15-30 min, although he takes a good nap in the morning about an hour after he wakes up. 

    As for switching, I can't because DH works at night, from 4-12ish.  So I'm on my own.  Which makes it that much worse because I feel like his sleep at night depends on me.  It's a lot of pressure. 

    Routine earlier???  Putting him down to sleep at 7?  I'll try it but it seems SOOO early.

    it seems that way, but it's not. Sleep begets sleep. The better he naps, the better he'll sleep at night. I actually think around that time I started wearing bunny and walking him down (which still works - he slept through our grocery shopping yesterday) or going for long walks in the stroller - anything to encourage long naps.

    it's also possible that he's transitioning off of the 90 minute sleep/awake cycle, which is disruptive, but temporary.

    Good luck, mama! It gets better when you find your rhythm, promise!

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    imageKestrel84:
    Honestly, he'll get through it.  DS went through something similar not too long ago and things are better.  How is he napping during the day?  Good naps always help DS settle better at night.  Also, maybe try the routine a little sooner, he could just be overtired which could cause the restlessness and constant waking.  I know how frustrating it is, trust me. Could your DH or SO alternate with you?  

    Naps stink.  Again, he used to nap well.  After about 1.5/2 hours he needs a nap and we'll go down for maybe 15-30 min, although he takes a good nap in the morning about an hour after he wakes up. 

    As for switching, I can't because DH works at night, from 4-12ish.  So I'm on my own.  Which makes it that much worse because I feel like his sleep at night depends on me.  It's a lot of pressure. 

    Routine earlier???  Putting him down to sleep at 7?  I'll try it but it seems SOOO early.

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  • imageEmmieB:

    continue being consistent and he'll settle back down. he's getting stimulated and overtired for now - so cut out the talking and laughing. you should basically be as boring (but loving) as possible after bedtime.

    This!

    I think at the 2 month mark I was the nearest to crazy. I felt like DS just would not sleep overnight. Now, I know: this is pretty normal.

    Where we screwed up was we would have my DH take him until 3am in the living room with lights on and TV or music playing. Mistake! Things got a bit better once we kept DS in our dark room, avoided diaper changes overnight if possible and just nursed, nursed, nursed as he needed. He started going back to sleep faster and had fewer wakings.

     

  • your baby is too little to really be a "good" or "bad" sleeper yet... so just keep rolling with the punches. You can definitely put routines in place to help sleep be easier down the road, but it's not set in stone now by any means.

    Oh, and my DD is 13 months now and (finally) STTN.... she sleeps from 7-7. 7pm is actually a pretty common bedtime, for awhile she was going to sleep even earlier around 6pm or 6:30. Sometimes it's still earlier. For a time we tried keeping her up later to see if we would be able to sleep in later, but it didn't work like that. Sounds like once your LO hits that deeper stage of sleep, he's down for the count... be glad that you get that solid stretch of sleep for yourself! At least all his soothing needs happen when you are awake anyway :) 

  • I don't have much advice other than to keep holding him and soothing him during the evening.  DD1 was like that until about 4 months, then all of a sudden she got herself into a routine and started going to bed early and taking great naps.  Just hang in there, at that age they are still unpredictable.  
  • I agree...he might be going through a growth spurt or making developmental strides that are changing up his "routine."  My DD also started teething around 3 months old, which also made her cranky and not able to sleep as well as she had previously.  Good luck, you've gotten great advice here...
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