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Anyone else reading "The Fertility Diet"?

 I checked it out of the library last weekend and it is very interesting. Especially what they say about whole milk vs. other forms of milk.

 

 Just curious what other people think about it... 

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Re: Anyone else reading "The Fertility Diet"?

  • Not reading, but curious now...what do they say about milk?
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  • No, but I'm about to head to the library so I'll wait a few and see if others recommend it!
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  • I would definitly recommend checking it out from the library. It has a whole chapter on how women who have some form of whole milk 2-3 times a week ovulated more regularly than women who chose 2% or non-fat milk products.

     

    Needless to say I got my Starbucks with whole milk this morning!!! Regularly nonfat. 

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    DH bought me this book, but I have yet to read it. I guess I should look at it, lol
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  • Never heard of it! I'll definitely be checking it out if I don't my BFP this weekend.

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  • I will have to check out, maybe that is part of why I'm not ovulating lol. I drink soy.
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    I will have to check out, maybe that is part of why I'm not ovulating lol. I drink soy.

     

    Possibly. It said that even just 2-3 servings a week could away ovulation either way. I am going to switch over for the time being and see if I notice any changes in ovulation. 

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    I would definitly recommend checking it out from the library. It has a whole chapter on how women who have some form of whole milk 2-3 times a week ovulated more regularly than women who chose 2% or non-fat milk products.

    Needless to say I got my Starbucks with whole milk this morning!!! Regularly nonfat. 

    This makes me SO happy - I always get my Dunkin Donuts latte with whole milk - now I have a good reason other than taste!

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  • I was just reading, TCOYF (revised edition), and on page 170 it says, "In addition, there is some speculation that heavy milk consumption may adversely affect fertility."
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    I was just reading, TCOYF (revised edition), and on page 170 it says, "In addition, there is some speculation that heavy milk consumption may adversely affect fertility."

    I believe that actually. Cows milk is not as good for people as they are lead to believe. Drinking too much of it can also cause lactose intolerence, and it can also deplete your body of calcium.

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    I believe that actually. Cows milk is not as good for people as they are lead to believe. Drinking too much of it can also cause lactose intolerence, and it can also deplete your body of calcium.

    How?? I'm confused as to how milk depletes your body of calcium, isn't it supposed to be our source of calcium?

     

  • imagecharlsie26:
    I was just reading, TCOYF (revised edition), and on page 170 it says, "In addition, there is some speculation that heavy milk consumption may adversely affect fertility."

     

    Notice in the previous message that it suggest only 2-3 servings a week. I would hardly call that "heavy consumption". It only suggest whole milk while TTC. 

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  • My understanding is that milk affects the quality of CM - whole milk can make a hearty CM when consumed 2-3 a week, but can make it too thick if consumed in larger quantities. Reduced fat milks are more processed and can thin CM.
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    imagecantalopes24:

    I believe that actually. Cows milk is not as good for people as they are lead to believe. Drinking too much of it can also cause lactose intolerence, and it can also deplete your body of calcium.

    How?? I'm confused as to how milk depletes your body of calcium, isn't it supposed to be our source of calcium?

     

    This is mostly for people who drink milk alot/regulary, not just a cup a day. Milk is an animal protein which makes your bodys pH more acidic (it contains 3 times as much protein as human milk). Calcium is then pulled from your bones to neutralize the acidic affect. Its then passed through your urine. Milk contains something like 300mg of calcium which is x% of your daily value, but your body absorbs no where near that full 300mg after its been digested. because even though it's fortified with Vitamin D it contains a lot of Phosphorus which prohibts the absorption. There was a 12 year study done and it showed that women who drank 2 or more glasses of milk a day had a 45% increase in bone breakage than women who drink milk rarely (I don't know what "rarely" is though) The US recommended daily allowance of calcium is 1200 mg, the World Health Orgaznization says 500 for children and 800 for adults. Developed countries where people drink a lot of pasteurized cows milk have the highest incidence of osteoporosis and bone breaks. There are a lot of foods that are much better sources of calcium because of the amount of it you absorb like broccoli, spinach, and many other vegetables.

     

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    imagepook:
    imagecantalopes24:

    I believe that actually. Cows milk is not as good for people as they are lead to believe. Drinking too much of it can also cause lactose intolerence, and it can also deplete your body of calcium.

    How?? I'm confused as to how milk depletes your body of calcium, isn't it supposed to be our source of calcium?

     

    This is mostly for people who drink milk alot/regulary, not just a cup a day. Milk is an animal protein which makes your bodys pH more acidic (it contains 3 times as much protein as human milk). Calcium is then pulled from your bones to neutralize the acidic affect. Its then passed through your urine. Milk contains something like 300mg of calcium which is x% of your daily value, but your body absorbs no where near that full 300mg after its been digested. because even though it's fortified with Vitamin D it contains a lot of Phosphorus which prohibts the absorption. There was a 12 year study done and it showed that women who drank 2 or more glasses of milk a day had a 45% increase in bone breakage than women who drink milk rarely (I don't know what "rarely" is though) The US recommended daily allowance of calcium is 1200 mg, the World Health Orgaznization says 500 for children and 800 for adults. Developed countries where people drink a lot of pasteurized cows milk have the highest incidence of osteoporosis and bone breaks. There are a lot of foods that are much better sources of calcium because of the amount of it you absorb like broccoli, spinach, and many other vegetables.

     

    Do you have any good sources for this info?  I Googled and all I'm finding are pro-vegan websites, which obviously have an agenda.

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    imagecantalopes24:

    imagepook:
    imagecantalopes24:

    I believe that actually. Cows milk is not as good for people as they are lead to believe. Drinking too much of it can also cause lactose intolerence, and it can also deplete your body of calcium.

    How?? I'm confused as to how milk depletes your body of calcium, isn't it supposed to be our source of calcium?

     

    This is mostly for people who drink milk alot/regulary, not just a cup a day. Milk is an animal protein which makes your bodys pH more acidic (it contains 3 times as much protein as human milk). Calcium is then pulled from your bones to neutralize the acidic affect. Its then passed through your urine. Milk contains something like 300mg of calcium which is x% of your daily value, but your body absorbs no where near that full 300mg after its been digested. because even though it's fortified with Vitamin D it contains a lot of Phosphorus which prohibts the absorption. There was a 12 year study done and it showed that women who drank 2 or more glasses of milk a day had a 45% increase in bone breakage than women who drink milk rarely (I don't know what "rarely" is though) The US recommended daily allowance of calcium is 1200 mg, the World Health Orgaznization says 500 for children and 800 for adults. Developed countries where people drink a lot of pasteurized cows milk have the highest incidence of osteoporosis and bone breaks. There are a lot of foods that are much better sources of calcium because of the amount of it you absorb like broccoli, spinach, and many other vegetables.

     

    Do you have any good sources for this info?  I Googled and all I'm finding are pro-vegan websites, which obviously have an agenda.

    Oregon State University, doesn't specifically refer to cows milk, but cows milk is an animal protein and does contain phosporus
    https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/calcium/

    This is a vegan article from MSU but does list its non-vegan references
    https://www.msu.edu/~corcora5/food/vegan/calcium+protein.html

    Internation Osteoporosis Foundation has bone breakage statistics, US and industrialized European countries account for 51% of the worlds osteoporosis related fractures
    https://www.iofbonehealth.org/facts-and-statistics.html

    These are not the websites I personally got my information from because this is something I researched over 2 years ago and didnt save the sites. DS flat out refused to drink cows milk after we weaned him off formula and I brought it up with his pediatrician at the time who was Korean, and again when we had to switch bc of insurance changes with his pediatrian who was Indian. Both expressed the fact that milk was not the end all be all of calcium intake because of the pasturaziation process, and also how much sugar is in milk. I was surprised at this because I was raised that milk was the best thing you could drink and necessary so I spent a long time researching it. You can google things like "calcium and animal protein", "calcium absorption rates", "calcium absorption prohibitors". Also, look under Google Scholar which will help weed out the vegan websites. I am NOT vegan, or even a vegetarian, but DS refuses to eat red meat, drink cows milk, and rarely eats chicken nuggets so I have spent a lot of time researching alternative sources of protein,calcium, and other things.

    Edited to add: You are going to have a hard time finding non-vegan scientific research that specifically states cow's milk, but if you take what you know about cow's milk and research calcium you will find a wealth of information.  Obviously most of the websites that spell it out are going to be vegan bc they don't want you drinking milk. Only 30% of the calcium from 300mg from 1 cup of milk, other things such as spinach will get you the same amount of calcium but also contain things like Vitamin K1 which turns into K2 through digestion which prevents osteoclasts that break your bones down. Like I said before, this is for people who drink 2 or more servings of milk per day.

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