Adoption

Baby's Hospital Expenses

I'm kind of freaking our right now. I just talked to our agency and the hospital where LO was born has a social worker that believes billing the mother's insurance for his expenses is fraud. The agency is fighting it as this is really the only hospital that has that issue. So my question is have any of you had to pay your child's hospital expenses? I am wondering how much it usually is? I am hoping it is less than $3000 because maybe we could come up with that. I am just praying it is not $10,000. 

Re: Baby's Hospital Expenses

  • I think this might depend on the state/area and if he was born via c-section.

    Unfortunately, my costs were near $3,000 and that was OOP for the hospital visit, anesthesia and my doctor's bill (I had a c/s) 

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  • I think DD's hospital expenses were around $2500.  If the baby just had typical care, I can't imagine it would be that much.
  • Your baby should be on your insurance plan from the time of placement.  It's illegal for insurance companies to refuse adopted newborns coverage.

    Our insurance paid for most of DD's medical bills from birth (definitely not $10K :) and we paid for whatever insurance did not cover out of pocket.  I can't remember how much exactly, but I would be very surprised if it was even the $3K you were hoping for.

  • The baby's time in the hospital should be covered under the birthmother's insurance/medicaid until she is released.  After that point, it becomes your expense.

    If you do end up owing, remember you can always negotiate a payment plan with the hospital.  Nothing says you have to pay it all at once.  And as long as you are current on payments, they cannot charge you interest (at least in all of the states I have lived in, that has been the law).

  • I don't know what I would do without this board. I spent last night in my room crying and terrified. Thank you all for the reassurance. He was only in the hospital for 24 hours and was completely healthy. The BM's expenses should be covered by medicaid, but the hospital is just refusing to file Jayce's expenses on the BM's since they know he was placed with us. I am getting an individual insurance plan for him because it is 1/2 the cost of what it would be to add him to my insurance at work. So the effective date has to be one day after the application date. My DH was going to talk to his parents about helping out with the expenses if they can. Thank you all for helping calm me down. Maybe now I can set aside my fear and focus on my son. 
  • You might want to seriously rethink your decision to get your son an individual policy rather than add him to yours through work. Individual policies tend to be much more restrictive than employer-sponsored plans. You may end up with way more expenses in the long run -- and this seems especially risky with adoption when you don't really know his history (genetic or in utero).
  • If I were you, I'd threaten legal action against the hospital.  You shouldn't have to follow through, but just the threat should make them reconsider their billing decision.  The simple fact is that the baby was not your son until after the birth, at the very earliest.  You are not responsible for any bills prior to legally adopting him.  When were the papers signed?

    ETA:  This makes me so mad, because clearly the hospital is only billing you because they figure they are more likely to get payment (possibly at a higher rate) than if they bill the birhtmother's insurance/medicaid.  That's why I would fight them on it.

  • I agree with Captain Serious.

    Even in my state, where consent is signed before birth, it isn't enforceable until the 5 day window passes post-birth and our hospital had no problem billing medicaid.

    The only time I've heard of billing insurance or medicaid being fraudulent is in cases of surrogacy and even then, most private insurances will cover it (but medicaid will not -- and it's a big no no to bill them for a surrogate pregnancy).

  • I totally agree with it not being right. The hard thing is the adoption agency is handling everything with the hospital. It makes it so much more complicated. I feel like I have to do what the agency says and just go with it. They are not happy about it either, but say that it will be our responsibility. I did find out I can cash out a small 403B I have. It only has $5400 in it so hopefully it is enough. I won't have to pay the 10% penalty if the medical expense is over $3400 and I won't have to pay the taxes because of the adoption tax credit. So I am just praying that his 24 hours in the hospital, circumcision, and extra lab work that had to be done because of the birthmom not having prenatal care does not cost more than $5400. A friend of mine who has always been really good at saving money said she would pay the rest if it was more than $5400. I hate to take the money from her, but I don't know what else I would do. She and I have been BFF since college and she is really more like a sister. I feel so blessed to have such an awesome friend. 
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    I totally agree with it not being right. The hard thing is the adoption agency is handling everything with the hospital. It makes it so much more complicated. I feel like I have to do what the agency says and just go with it. They are not happy about it either, but say that it will be our responsibility. I did find out I can cash out a small 403B I have. It only has $5400 in it so hopefully it is enough. I won't have to pay the 10% penalty if the medical expense is over $3400 and I won't have to pay the taxes because of the adoption tax credit. So I am just praying that his 24 hours in the hospital, circumcision, and extra lab work that had to be done because of the birthmom not having prenatal care does not cost more than $5400. A friend of mine who has always been really good at saving money said she would pay the rest if it was more than $5400. I hate to take the money from her, but I don't know what else I would do. She and I have been BFF since college and she is really more like a sister. I feel so blessed to have such an awesome friend. 

     Please take a step back from the stress of this situation, and think about what you're planning on doing clearly. 

    Regardless if the agency has been dealing with the hospital in the past, it is your right to deal with them directly if they are billing you for this, regardless of what they say.  Call the hospital billing department yourself, and work your way up the ladder until you get somebody that can help.  As pp's have said, you should threaten legal action because they are clearly trying to take advantage of you, because you do not have a clear knowledge of the law. 

    At the very least, consult an attorney and have them send a cease and desist type of letter (not sure the name of it in a case like this), which should only cost a few hundred, and the hospital will get the point.  Please also research the law instead of just taking the crap they are trying to stick with you, and know your rights.  Don't cash in your retirement because an ignornant hospital social worker doesn't know the law.

    Please stand up for yourself in this situation, because it clearly sounds as if they are taking advantage of you.

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    imagemaurisa74:
    I totally agree with it not being right. The hard thing is the adoption agency is handling everything with the hospital. It makes it so much more complicated. I feel like I have to do what the agency says and just go with it. They are not happy about it either, but say that it will be our responsibility. I did find out I can cash out a small 403B I have. It only has $5400 in it so hopefully it is enough. I won't have to pay the 10% penalty if the medical expense is over $3400 and I won't have to pay the taxes because of the adoption tax credit. So I am just praying that his 24 hours in the hospital, circumcision, and extra lab work that had to be done because of the birthmom not having prenatal care does not cost more than $5400. A friend of mine who has always been really good at saving money said she would pay the rest if it was more than $5400. I hate to take the money from her, but I don't know what else I would do. She and I have been BFF since college and she is really more like a sister. I feel so blessed to have such an awesome friend. 

     Please take a step back from the stress of this situation, and think about what you're planning on doing clearly. 

    Regardless if the agency has been dealing with the hospital in the past, it is your right to deal with them directly if they are billing you for this, regardless of what they say.  Call the hospital billing department yourself, and work your way up the ladder until you get somebody that can help.  As pp's have said, you should threaten legal action because they are clearly trying to take advantage of you, because you do not have a clear knowledge of the law. 

    At the very least, consult an attorney and have them send a cease and desist type of letter (not sure the name of it in a case like this), which should only cost a few hundred, and the hospital will get the point.  Please also research the law instead of just taking the crap they are trying to stick with you, and know your rights.  Don't cash in your retirement because an ignornant hospital social worker doesn't know the law.

    Please stand up for yourself in this situation, because it clearly sounds as if they are taking advantage of you.

    This...exactly.

    The Billing department at the hospital in Arkansas where my daughter was born tried to get us to write a  CHECK  for $2500 before my daughter was discharged, and our BM had medicaid. We had incurred additional legal expenses while waiting to finalize and we were incredibly stressed, as we did not have a whole lot of cash left. I was afraid they would not let me leave with the baby! We gave them our insurance info and called our attorney.

    Ultimately, our insurance wound up covering her birth, but we received a call a few weeks ago from the hospital and we freaked out! Turns out they only needed proof of my daughter's name being legally changed to our last name, because the hospital submitted the claim under the BM's last name, and these people do billing every day of their work lives! One would think they wold know the laws, but that just goes to show you some people are not always so bright...so don't let them take YOU for a ride!

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  • I am really not trying to add to your stress, but I agree with the others--this is a fight I would pick.  You are completely within your rights to assert yourself into the conversation and deal directly with the hospital.  I know you are frightened about repercussions from the agency, but they cannot legally make you pay this, and they cannot remove your child from your home or family because they don't like your standing up for yourself.  In this case, it truly seems like the agency is just trying to go along with what the hospital wants to keep relations good, and that they are completely disregarding the fact that you are their client, and have PAID them to be advocates for you in this process.  Please don't let them put you in any further financial straights.  Don't let them do this to you without a fight.
  • I feel that is ridiculous if you have to pay for that!! My agency puts the baby under their insurance from birth till the 10 days are up (I don't know what those 10 days are called, but it is the days were the BM can still pick to parent the child). So even if the insurance doesn't cover everything you the adoptive parents shouldn't have to pay much.
  • Thank you all for this information. I am going to call my attorney tomorrow and review all the paperwork we signed with the agency to see if there was anything in there about this. 
  • And just our personal experience recently, when the baby boy was born at the hospital in OK, their billing department tried to tell us that Medicaid would not cover his birth that we were responsible.  Not knowing we had already adopted.  When we told them that, they said it was b/c of different state law.  We told them we would give them our personal information IF Medicaid denied it, they could contact us and we would then give them our insurance information.  The doctor who delivered the baby also apparently visited them and told him he didn't know what they were playing, but he had never had an adoption where Medicaid didn't pick up the expense of the baby.

    I know you're going to call your attorney today, so I just wanted to give you some encouragement and tell you to stand firm.  And while billing folks do this all day everyday, but my experience has been they don't always know what they're doing (I don't know how many claims I've personally had that have been filed wrong, so I don't consider any billing person an "expert.")

  • Like others have said get someone else in on this and look up the laws yourself. Knowledge is power on things like this.
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