on the note of circumcision.

Cgelske · January 2010

i was reading about the ear piercings and someone mentioned that people tend to have strong feelings about circumcision also. i haven't thought much about it since the last discussion with dh but it is getting closer to time to know what we're gonna do. as of the last discussion with dh, he was against the idea of circumcision, because it's not medically necessary, i had honestly thought to have it done just because it's just all i've ever known.

i chose to discuss it with some family and like the people on here having strong opinions on it, so did most of them. most of them didn't have very good reasons for why i should have it done, i just got a lot of sh*t about even considering not having it done, to the point it really ticked me off.

i wanted to ask the girls on here what they are doing and why. maybe get some insight or a better idea on why or why i shouldn't have it done.

thanks in advance ladies.

KKWISC · January 2010

I'm having it done. It's all me and my family have ever known. It is such a norm that there was not even a discussion with DH it was a yes it will happen, same with my nephews.

I have come to the conclusion that the region you live in has a lot to do with it.

cutekissis101 · January 2010

We are having it done. If you dont and the kid really hates it, well..... Tongue Tied

gigi_rafael · January 2010

i'm still thinking about this one. Dh is not, its not a problem (they all look the same erect anyway), since he is the one who will be doing the potty & self hygeine with our son I'm not worried, I honestly never met a guy who is so obsessed with being clean.

the only point dh brings up about not being circumcised is that they have a higher level of sensitvity...i don't see what the problem with that is since i don't have a penis.

i would rather not do something that is more of a cultural thing than a medical necessity. there are pros and cons of either way. there is a risk of infection after it is done, just as people debate that not doing it can cause higher risk for infections.

i've played with both types and really there is no difference to me. i fell in love with the person before i met his member...so i didn't think "ew gross".

Hip2Bsquare · January 2010

My DH is not circumcised and it has NEVER been a problem with him! EVER. He's never been made fun of, he's never had an infection. It doesn't stink! It's a very simple thing to be clean there as it is for women. All the arguments to have a circumcision have been debunked. It's all personal choice but if you are still undecided than please lean towards NOT doing it because you won't have regrets later and then of cousr he can still go ahead and have it done later if he really wanted to. Once you circumcise there is no going back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0D039kWvs&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=269CFC0B399FB8CE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuu07U2FokQ&feature=related

Mrs.BoomBoom · January 2010

I don't want to do it because it's not medically necessary and I've known both. DH wanted it because it's cleaner and it's what he is. I decided I didn't want to fight that battle so I left the decision to DH.

Calibride31304 · January 2010

We choose to circ DS1 and will circ DS2. Yes, it's not medically necessary, however, if a man chooses at some point later on in life to have a circ, it's a major surgery and requires general anesthetic and it is extremely painful. Also, an elder in my family had major issues with adhesions because he was not circ'd, so I know what happens in older age. As newborns, they will not remember the procedure. I have seen it done (not on my DS, but during my OB rotation in RN school) and I know what goes on. There is always a nurse there to help calm the baby and the parents are given the option to be in the room.

It's a personal opinion and if you don't want to have it done to your DS, no one is forcing you.

KKWISC · January 2010

Italiannvegas:
My DH is not circumcised and it has NEVER been a problem with him! EVER. He's never been made fun of, he's never had an infection. It doesn't stink! It's a very simple thing to be clean there as it is for women. All the arguments to have a circumcision have been debunked. It's all personal choice but if you are still undecided than please lean towards NOT doing it because you won't have regrets later and then of cousr he can still go ahead and have it done later if he really wanted to. Once you circumcise there is no going back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0D039kWvs&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=269CFC0B399FB8CE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuu07U2FokQ&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuu07U2FokQ&feature=related

I have heard some horror stories about the psychological effect of doing it later.

You do make valid points.

smilelari · January 2010

We did not circumcise. It's just not medically necessary. Some will site possible cancer as a reason, but by that logic we should preemptively remove breast tissue from all girl babies. Some site STD risk, but IMO circumcision does not equal safe sex, condoms do. Some site infection risk, but there's a greater risk of complications from the circumcision itself than there is of infection of an uncircumcised penis.

To each their own. We weren't going to do it unless we found a compelling reason to and we didn't.

ETA: DH is circumcised

smilelari · January 2010

cutekissis101:
We are having it done. If you dont and the kid really hates it, well.....

What if you do and the kid really hates that?

Jessesgirl43 · January 2010

If we have a boy, we will NOT be getting it done.

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not recommend routine (performed in the absence of medical indication) circumcision of the newborn.

It doesn't make sense to me to cut off a part of my baby's penis when it is not medically necessary, and not part of our religious beliefs.

Jessesgirl43 · January 2010

I'll just add that my husband is not circumcised and he has never had an infection or any problem at all. We've all heard of someone's brother's cousin who wasn't circumcised who had an infection or some problem later in life but to me these anecdotal stories are not enough to compel me to do something as irreversible as circumcision to my child. I think I fall into the category of someone who feels quite strongly about the issue...I was quite neutral (and uneducated) on the subject until I had to research it and write a paper about it in nursing school. In doing that I began to be very opposed to it. Even if DH was circumcised I would still not want to circumcise my child. That being said, it's your baby, and your decision to make....

PinkRobot9510 · January 2010

I would say that if you have some cultural or religious issues then you should stick with that. But if you have nothing else holding you back, you should have your son match his dad. Whatever daddy is, make baby.

There are so many arguements and if you think about it they pretty much cancel themselves out. Good Luck

Cgelske · January 2010

PinkRobot9510:
I would say that if you have some cultural or religious issues then you should stick with that. But if you have nothing else holding you back, you should have your son match his dad. Whatever daddy is, make baby.

There are so many arguements and if you think about it they pretty much cancel themselves out. Good Luck

well dh is circumcised but he's also the one who doesn't want to have it done.

when i first started with it i felt that i would choose for lo to match dh also but yeh...

adriennevla · January 2010

AHAHAHAHA having father and son's penis match is the dumbest argument for or against, I think. Yeah, they're totally going to match just because they both either have foreskins or don't, just like mothers and daughters totally look the same when they're naked.

baby-86 · January 2010

adriennevla:
AHAHAHAHA having father and son's penis match is the dumbest argument for or against, I think. Yeah, they're totally going to match just because they both either have foreskins or don't, just like mothers and daughters totally look the same when they're naked.

EEEEKKKK! Don't say that Crying I really don't want to look like my mom naked!

adriennevla · January 2010

Me either. Just...no Ick!

I'll actually answer the OP: we're not circumcising. We have done research, spoken to a couple doctors, and decided there's no reason to do it. I've been with nearly as many uncut men as cut ones, and none of them had a problem with the way they were, circumcised or not.

NiniJ55 · January 2010

KKWISC:

I'm having it done. It's all me and my family have ever known. It is such a norm that there was not even a discussion with DH it was a yes it will happen, same with my nephews.

This exactly. My husband feels it's more sanitary and he is the one with the penis so I let him have the final say in the end - I was never against it though so I guess it was an easy decision for us.

ABColeslaw · January 2010

We are having it done. I left it up to DH since he has a penis and I don't....and he wouldn't even entertain the idea of not getting it done.

IrishBrideND · January 2010

DH and I make important decisions together. He doesn't get to decide because he has a penis. That makes no sense to me.

lesalia217 · January 2010

Ok, so the argument that I hate hearing is that you lose sensitivity when you are circ'ed.

I posed a question awhile back about this, I found a bumpie whose husband was circ'ed as an adult. Her DH said that sex didn't feel any different pre/post surgery. My husband also has a friend who was circ'ed as an adult and he says that it feels no different now.

So don't bash the son/daddy looking the same argument, b/c I don't think it is any different than the sensitivity argument.

RadicalDreamer143 · January 2010

I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. Just an observation - normally the people who will circumcise their son do it for their own reasons, and really don't care what others do with their own kids. The people who are not - seem like crazy zealots, making links to ridiculous youtube videos, biased sites, and really just denounce anyone who doesn't follow their train of thought.

We're circumcising our son. I've had family members who have had problems later in life, and as per my girlfriends, boys (and girls) can abandon all taught methods of cleanliness at an age where you can't exactly be cleaning them in the tub. I don't consider it to be even remotely "genital mutilation," and if others choose not to have their sons circ'd I feel that is there business, and I won't judge them. Now if only others would do the same.

RadicalDreamer143 · January 2010

IrishBrideND:
DH and I make important decisions together. He doesn't get to decide because he has a penis. That makes no sense to me.

It makes no sense that your husband might have a better idea of what is involved in the care and cleanliness of a penis than you do? I mean, if you are a nurse, then I would say you have a point, but for the average woman, I would think that men would know more about what is involved. I know I certainly weighed my DH's opinion quite heavily.

IrishBrideND · January 2010

JamieS2006:
I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. Just an observation - normally the people who will circumcise their son do it for their own reasons, and really don't care what others do with their own kids. The people who are not - seem like crazy zealots, making links to ridiculous youtube videos, biased sites, and really just denounce anyone who doesn't follow their train of thought.

We're circumcising our son. I've had family members who have had problems later in life, and as per my girlfriends, boys (and girls) can abandon all taught methods of cleanliness at an age where you can't exactly be cleaning them in the tub. I don't consider it to be even remotely "genital mutilation," and if others choose not to have their sons circ'd I feel that is there business, and I won't judge them. Now if only others would do the same.

Well thats not true. Of course there are zealots, but thats because they tend to see it at abuse. I don't agree with that, but if you saw something as abuse, you'd be pretty up in arms about it, too....and not simply say "to each his own"

There are plenty of people who will not circ their children but don't judge those who do (myself included) and there are plenty of people who do circ and judge those who don't (those who tell people their kids will be tormented/made fun of/have problems later in life because of it).

It goes both ways.

RadicalDreamer143 · January 2010

IrishBrideND:
JamieS2006:
I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. Just an observation - normally the people who will circumcise their son do it for their own reasons, and really don't care what others do with their own kids. The people who are not - seem like crazy zealots, making links to ridiculous youtube videos, biased sites, and really just denounce anyone who doesn't follow their train of thought.

We're circumcising our son. I've had family members who have had problems later in life, and as per my girlfriends, boys (and girls) can abandon all taught methods of cleanliness at an age where you can't exactly be cleaning them in the tub. I don't consider it to be even remotely "genital mutilation," and if others choose not to have their sons circ'd I feel that is there business, and I won't judge them. Now if only others would do the same.

Well thats not true. Of course there are zealots, but thats because they tend to see it at abuse. I don't agree with that, but if you saw something as abuse, you'd be pretty up in arms about it, too....and not simply say "to each his own"

There are plenty of people who will not circ their children but don't judge those who do (myself included) and there are plenty of people who do circ and judge those who don't (those who tell people their kids will be tormented/made fun of/have problems later in life because of it).

It goes both ways.

Everyone judges. The manner in which people relate their judgment is what I tend to take issue with. I have yet to see a pro-circ person make links to, let's see, traumatic locker room stories where her LO was scarred for life/got issued a beating/was ostracized. Because that would be extremist and ridiculous.

Kids can be cruel - so I can see the "made fun of" argument, though it is not one of the reasons I based my choice off of. Issues can happen later in life, and hygiene - well really, many kids have horrible hygiene, especially when they become solely responsible for it. I don't, however, see the pro-circ people linking to photos of uncirced kids, or uncirced elderly men (and this happens far more frequently) who get horrible infections and need to be circed. This seems to be a standard scare tactic of the anti-circ crowd (even videos), and when I hear people who will scare their DH's into following their point of view by bringing up the FGM argument, which is hardly even comparable (see the previous thread on this), frankly it sickens me.

IrishBrideND · January 2010

JamieS2006:
IrishBrideND:

JamieS2006:
I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. Just an observation - normally the people who will circumcise their son do it for their own reasons, and really don't care what others do with their own kids. The people who are not - seem like crazy zealots, making links to ridiculous youtube videos, biased sites, and really just denounce anyone who doesn't follow their train of thought.

We're circumcising our son. I've had family members who have had problems later in life, and as per my girlfriends, boys (and girls) can abandon all taught methods of cleanliness at an age where you can't exactly be cleaning them in the tub. I don't consider it to be even remotely "genital mutilation," and if others choose not to have their sons circ'd I feel that is there business, and I won't judge them. Now if only others would do the same.

Well thats not true. Of course there are zealots, but thats because they tend to see it at abuse. I don't agree with that, but if you saw something as abuse, you'd be pretty up in arms about it, too....and not simply say "to each his own"

There are plenty of people who will not circ their children but don't judge those who do (myself included) and there are plenty of people who do circ and judge those who don't (those who tell people their kids will be tormented/made fun of/have problems later in life because of it).

It goes both ways.

Everyone judges. The manner in which people relate their judgment is what I tend to take issue with. I have yet to see a pro-circ person make links to, let's see, traumatic locker room stories where her LO was scarred for life/got issued a beating/was ostracized. Because that would be extremist and ridiculous.

Kids can be cruel - so I can see the "made fun of" argument, though it is not one of the reasons I based my choice off of. Issues can happen later in life, and hygiene - well really, many kids have horrible hygiene, especially when they become solely responsible for it. I don't, however, see the pro-circ people linking to photos of uncirced kids, or uncirced elderly men (and this happens far more frequently) who get horrible infections and need to be circed. This seems to be a standard scare tactic of the anti-circ crowd (even videos), and when I hear people who will scare their DH's into following their point of view by bringing up the FGM argument, which is hardly even comparable (see the previous thread on this), frankly it sickens me.

There are maybe TWO posters who do that. That is not the norm. Thats my point. There are extremists, but to say those who do not circ seem like crazy zealots is a horrible over generalization.

GreekyPie · January 2010

JamieS2006:
I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. Just an observation - normally the people who will circumcise their son do it for their own reasons, and really don't care what others do with their own kids. The people who are not - seem like crazy zealots, making links to ridiculous youtube videos, biased sites, and really just denounce anyone who doesn't follow their train of thought.

We're circumcising our son. I've had family members who have had problems later in life, and as per my girlfriends, boys (and girls) can abandon all taught methods of cleanliness at an age where you can't exactly be cleaning them in the tub. I don't consider it to be even remotely "genital mutilation," and if others choose not to have their sons circ'd I feel that is there business, and I won't judge them. Now if only others would do the same.

Wow, a little contradictory there. So much for not judging.

RadicalDreamer143 · January 2010

IrishBrideND:
JamieS2006:
IrishBrideND:

JamieS2006:
I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. Just an observation - normally the people who will circumcise their son do it for their own reasons, and really don't care what others do with their own kids. The people who are not - seem like crazy zealots, making links to ridiculous youtube videos, biased sites, and really just denounce anyone who doesn't follow their train of thought.

We're circumcising our son. I've had family members who have had problems later in life, and as per my girlfriends, boys (and girls) can abandon all taught methods of cleanliness at an age where you can't exactly be cleaning them in the tub. I don't consider it to be even remotely "genital mutilation," and if others choose not to have their sons circ'd I feel that is there business, and I won't judge them. Now if only others would do the same.

Well thats not true. Of course there are zealots, but thats because they tend to see it at abuse. I don't agree with that, but if you saw something as abuse, you'd be pretty up in arms about it, too....and not simply say "to each his own"

There are plenty of people who will not circ their children but don't judge those who do (myself included) and there are plenty of people who do circ and judge those who don't (those who tell people their kids will be tormented/made fun of/have problems later in life because of it).

It goes both ways.

Everyone judges. The manner in which people relate their judgment is what I tend to take issue with. I have yet to see a pro-circ person make links to, let's see, traumatic locker room stories where her LO was scarred for life/got issued a beating/was ostracized. Because that would be extremist and ridiculous.

Kids can be cruel - so I can see the "made fun of" argument, though it is not one of the reasons I based my choice off of. Issues can happen later in life, and hygiene - well really, many kids have horrible hygiene, especially when they become solely responsible for it. I don't, however, see the pro-circ people linking to photos of uncirced kids, or uncirced elderly men (and this happens far more frequently) who get horrible infections and need to be circed. This seems to be a standard scare tactic of the anti-circ crowd (even videos), and when I hear people who will scare their DH's into following their point of view by bringing up the FGM argument, which is hardly even comparable (see the previous thread on this), frankly it sickens me.

There are maybe TWO posters who do that. That is not the norm. Thats my point. There are extremists, but to say those who do not circ seem like crazy zealots is a horrible over generalization.

As I said from the start, "I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. " A normal forum that I check on occassion called city-data (VERY entertaining stuff over there) would be enlightening to you, if you can find one of the various epic circ threads. It's probably what soured me towards the topic in general. If we had an 80 page thread on circ here on the bump though... that wouldbe impressive!

IrishBrideND · January 2010

JamieS2006:

As I said from the start, "I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. " A normal forum that I check on occassion called city-data (VERY entertaining stuff over there) would be enlightening to you, if you can find one of the various epic circ threads. It's probably what soured me towards the topic in general. If we had an 80 page thread on circ here on the bump though... that wouldbe impressive!

It doesn't matter, there are still PLENTY of those who will not circ their children who are not "crazy zealots." You sound as judgemental as those you rail against.

I personally have called out bad logic on both sides, for example. I have said that I do not agree with comparasions to FGM, and Italian and I got into it awhile ago over her posting videos that riled people up.

I'm certainly not the only one.

RadicalDreamer143 · January 2010

IrishBrideND:
JamieS2006:

As I said from the start, "I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. " A normal forum that I check on occassion called city-data (VERY entertaining stuff over there) would be enlightening to you, if you can find one of the various epic circ threads. It's probably what soured me towards the topic in general. If we had an 80 page thread on circ here on the bump though... that wouldbe impressive!

It doesn't matter, there are still PLENTY of those who will not circ their children who are not "crazy zealots." You sound as judgemental as those you rail against.

I personally have called out bad logic on both sides, for example. I have said that I do not agree with comparasions to FGM, and Italian and I got into it awhile ago over her posting videos that riled people up.

I'm certainly not the only one.

I never said that there weren't any non-zealots. Its just more prevalent on the anti-circ side, as per the examples I listed. I'm certainly not bashing you.

IrishBrideND · January 2010

JamieS2006:
IrishBrideND:

JamieS2006:

As I said from the start, "I've seen threads, here and elsewhere about this subject many times - some 80+ pages long. " A normal forum that I check on occassion called city-data (VERY entertaining stuff over there) would be enlightening to you, if you can find one of the various epic circ threads. It's probably what soured me towards the topic in general. If we had an 80 page thread on circ here on the bump though... that wouldbe impressive!

It doesn't matter, there are still PLENTY of those who will not circ their children who are not "crazy zealots." You sound as judgemental as those you rail against.

I personally have called out bad logic on both sides, for example. I have said that I do not agree with comparasions to FGM, and Italian and I got into it awhile ago over her posting videos that riled people up.

I'm certainly not the only one.

I never said that there weren't any non-zealots. Its just more prevalent on the anti-circ side, as per the examples I listed. I'm certainly not bashing you.

Well I'm glad thats not what you meant

Jennicap · January 2010

We're not sure, DH had it done when my stepson was born b/c you just had it done. BUT in my birthing class we were told it is becoming more and more common to NOT have it done in the US now but its a slow growing trend. In the last 10 years some insurances have deemed it cosmetic and will not cover the cost of the procedure so it in turn is making more parents NOT get it done. Honestly I don't see the need to have it done, it needs to be cleaned no matter if its done or not, just like a girl would have to be cleaned.

ktsnshn · January 2010

I am for it, but I decided that since DH is more of an expert in that area I'd let him make the call. He is so he'd like our boy to have it done also (if we have a boy)

IrishBrideND · January 2010

Jennicap:
We're not sure, DH had it done when my stepson was born b/c you just had it done. BUT in my birthing class we were told it is becoming more and more common to NOT have it done in the US now but its a slow growing trend. In the last 10 years some insurances have deemed it cosmetic and will not cover the cost of the procedure so it in turn is making more parents NOT get it done. Honestly I don't see the need to have it done, it needs to be cleaned no matter if its done or not, just like a girl would have to be cleaned.

This is not meant to be snarky at all. I just wanted to say you might be the first person I've ever "met" who is leaning towards not circ, but would pierce her infants ears. Usually, the views on those go hand in hand. Thats interesting.

Hip2Bsquare · January 2010

Wow so now I am some crazy zealot because I posted a few of my fave videos on the matter....though they are a little biased on the matter doesn't mean there aren't any videos for circumcising. I found both when I was doing a little research into the matter. Usually from what I have seen here most pro-circ women usually have done no research and sound like drone soldiers..."I am circumcising because DH is and and I want them to look the same!" You are all free to post some material on here as well. The OP wasn't sure which way to go. That's why she asked for you to say what you are doing with your son and why and if you have anything to back it up...Great! I have always stayed out of the arguments that circumcising is like FGM. I have always felt others have a right to do what they want but if you tell me an uncirc. penis is unhygenic than I will argue with you that that isn't true.

I like Irish Bride and her arguments against it. I don't remember her having any convo with me about the videos....(sorry). She's usually the one to argue the point about who gets to decided on the circumcision and why.

Excuse me while I go run into a hospital to blow myself up in the dept. where they are circumcising little boys. ::eye roll::

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