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ABA coverage? floor therapy?

Hi ladies -

 I posted here before about my concerns with my DS (PDD?) and unfortunately they were validated by the developmental pedi. You all were very supportive of me, and I really appreciate it.

I do need some advice. The DP recommended to do ABA therapy but I cannot find anyone who accepts insurance. If you have ABA, is yours private too? How much money should I plan to allocate?

Floor therapy: do you do this with your LO? Any books you recommend to read?

I am  heartbroken, but I know I need to get my ducks in a row now so I can help my son.

Lastly, the news crashed DH, and I think he may want out. I totally understand and sympathise but am scared to be alone. I guess I have no question here, just sharing....

Thanks so much.

 

Re: ABA coverage? floor therapy?

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    I just wanted to offer some support, having been in your shoes just a few months ago... the first few days/weeks are without a doubt the toughest. But like my doc told me, that day you get the diagnosis is probably the worst day you'll ever have in dealing with your son- from that day forward it's about looking ahead and once you have therapies in place, you'll see progress before your eyes.

    That being said, I can't speak to private ABA therapy, as our insurance covers the cost of it. Do you have a local Autism Speaks Chapter in your area? Perhaps that would be a good starting point in identifying potential providers. Does your insurance offer any lists or resources?  I have no clue how much Sylvie's therapy would be out of pocket, so I'll be curious as to other people's responses.

    In addition to ABA, we do speech and OT with DD... she also sees a developmental specialist through EI once a week- while that's not formal Floortime, it's very kid-led, which is similar to the Floortime model.  I don't do Floortime with DD per se, but over time, I've learned to interact and play with her in a way that I think mirrors the basic concepts of Floortime. I'd say her therapy is primarily ABA-based, though (following her lead, expanding on the play she's doing, helping her apply skills in one area to another, etc.).

    Sorry I couldn't answer your questions, but I just want you to know you're NOT alone. And your DH is actually reacting to the news pretty typically, unfortunately. Seems many dads are less equipped (emotionally) to deal with the actual diagnosis once it comes than moms are (not ALL dads, just some!)  Give yourselves (BOTH) some time to let this news sink in and take stock of your feelings in a little bit... hopefully you'll feel a little stronger and better-equipped to handle the future.

    Good luck!!!

     

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    I am sorry things are so scary and unknown right now.

    Stanley Greenspan is the creator of the DIR/Floortime model.  Here are the websites.  He has numerous books.  I think there are online conferences too.  

    https://www.icdl.com/dirFloortime/overview/index.shtml 

    www.stanleygreenspan.com

    Looks like there are some SLPs and OTs in your area who are DIR certificate candidates.  Maybe you should contact one of these SLPs?  https://www.icdl.com/usprograms/clinicians/TEXAS.shtml

    ABA and DIR/Floortime are polar opposite approaches to working with children with PDD/autism.  Some people follow one protocol, some follow the other, some find a combination of the two that works best for their child.  Are you/have you had an ST and OT evaluation?

    Hang in there.  It will become more clear and less scary. 

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    Hello - our insurance doesn't cover ABA, so we asked our Regional Center to cover it. They do and share the cost with our School district, that provides the same, but in terms of a "shadow" (personal teacher) at preschool.

    Depending on how old your child is, these two gov bodies can pay for ABA/floor time. If your insurance covers it, great - just know there is an option, if it doesn't. Otherwise, paying out of pocket would be crazy, esp with ABA....the therapy is usually VERY intense in terms of time...so paying for 30 hrs/week at a rate of $200-400 per hour (roughly) would be crazy. That's why we have Regional Centers. You should make a call to them in any case and see what therapies they can pay for you.

    I'm really sorry about your H. Hopefully, he will come around and support you in this difficult time. People deal with this sort of stuff differently. It took me a lot longer than it did my H, for example.

    GL!

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    Hello - our insurance doesn't cover ABA, so we asked our Regional Center to cover it. They do and share the cost with our School district, that provides the same, but in terms of a "shadow" (personal teacher) at preschool.

    Depending on how old your child is, these two gov bodies can pay for ABA/floor time. If your insurance covers it, great - just know there is an option, if it doesn't. Otherwise, paying out of pocket would be crazy, esp with ABA....the therapy is usually VERY intense in terms of time...so paying for 30 hrs/week at a rate of $200-400 per hour (roughly) would be crazy. That's why we have Regional Centers. You should make a call to them in any case and see what therapies they can pay for you.

    I'm really sorry about your H. Hopefully, he will come around and support you in this difficult time. People deal with this sort of stuff differently. It took me a lot longer than it did my H, for example.

    GL!

    As far as I know Texas does not have regional autism centers. California is unique in this respect. Florida has CARDs, but these aren't as comprehensive as what CA has on offer.

    EI (under 3) or the local school district would be the first place to look. Medicaid is pretty messed up in Texas from what I hear. They have a long waiting list. Seriously, I had a friend's son die while on the waiting list for non-means tested (Katie Becket Waiver) Medicaid and he was 13.

    Another option is RDI. Parents can get trained and work with their own child. FWIW, I did Floortime with DS under the direction of a psychologist.

    Some Lone State Resources-

    Connections Center

    diagnosis and RDI treatment

    Drs. Stephen Gutstein & Rachelle Sheely

    4120 Bellairre Blvd.

    Houston, TX 77027

    866-378-6405

    www.rdiconnect.com

     

    Texas Education Agency Division of Special Education

    Jill Gray, Director

    1701 North Congress Avenue

    Austin, TX 78701-1494

    512-463-9414

    800-252-9668

    512-463-9560 fax (fax)

    www.tea.state.tx.us/special.ed

    sped@tea.tetn.net

     

    Greater Houston Chapter- Autism Society of America

    ASA Chapters, Information and Support

    P.O. Box 2871

    Houston, TX 77252

    (713) 513-7575

     

    Texas Autism Advocacy

    Statewide website providing information and resources

    Michelle M. Guppy

    Statewide, TX

    www.texasautismadvocacy.org

    MichelleMGuppy@yahoo.com

     

    FEAT-Houston (Families for Early Autism Treatment)

    Resources for early intervention using

    1120 Medical Plaza Drive Suite 100

    The Woodlands, TX 77380

    713-359-2878

     

     

    OMG! I had no idea that not all states have Reg Ctrs! Wow...I mean what do you people do? What if your ins doesn't cover therapies, esp something SO expensive as ABA?? I honestly thought this was nationwide! Anyway, OP - I'm sorry for misleading you...the info Auntie provided should be the route you take, then. I hope your Early Intervention or School District can still help you out. Like I said, our School District pays for a good amount of ABA hours for us (15hrs/week). Our Reg Ctr picks up the tab for the other 15 hrs. GL!

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    OMG! I had no idea that not all states have Reg Ctrs! Wow...I mean what do you people do? What if your ins doesn't cover therapies, esp something SO expensive as ABA?? I honestly thought this was nationwide! Anyway, OP - I'm sorry for misleading you...the info Auntie provided should be the route you take, then. I hope your Early Intervention or School District can still help you out. Like I said, our School District pays for a good amount of ABA hours for us (15hrs/week). Our Reg Ctr picks up the tab for the other 15 hrs. GL!

    Every state does have some sort of Birth to Three Program and every state has at least one UCEDD (University Center for Excellence in Developmental Disabilities Education, Research and Service). But even with these two offerings, there are some difference. Some states do have a sliding fee for EI services; not everyone gets these for free.

    And the missions of the UCEDDs can differ. In some states they are the go to place for diagnostic and therapeutic services; in others they are resources for information only; and in others they train the next generation of teachers and physicians. They're not always where you would assume they'd be. I'm a little red faced to admit I did not know where PA's is; in fact I assumed given the state's population and medical communities we'd have at least 2. Since both Pitt and UPenn have decent Autism Programs I thought they might have it. Since Hershey is affiliated with Penn State and is centrally located one might assume they'd have it. But I was wrong, it's in Philly at Temple of all places. I have a degree from Temple, so there's some irony there.

    The federal government gives each state funds earmarked for health care around uninsured/disabled/at risk children but each state chooses how to administer those funds. In theory, most offer non-means tested Medicaid in some form. These are sometimes called Katie Becket Waivers or TeddyBear Coverage. In some states these funds are pretty easy to get. I had this coverage for DS but it was pretty useless since DS's dev ped and psych don't take insurance of any kind.But in other states, the waiting lists are very long. A few states are starting to offer these formerly free services on a sliding fee for certain income levels.

    Once the child turns 3, the school district coverage kicks in. This should be more consistant. IDEA is federally mandated policy, so the playing field should be level. But it isn't.

    The sad fact is that there are some places where raising a SN child is more difficult. I live where I do because I have access to professionals who are qualified to treat my son and where the schools willingly give him the services and interventions he needs without my needing to go to due process. Seriously, I live in a small suburban town with more PhD level psychologists qualified to treat Aspergers Syndrome within a 10 mile radius than there are in the entire states of LA, MS and WY. Combined. They have some good poeple, just not enough to meet the needs of their communities.

    Not sure if you're in CA. But even there the RCs will only offer services to children with an autism dx in most cases. I know a few kids who got services with a PDD dx, but these days they will not offer services for Aspergers.

    This is what I know from my RC coordinator (yes, we're in Los Angeles) - the RC is a hub not just for ASD but for all disabilities. I have a friend who used their (free) ST services because her son had a speech delay only. Yes, the ASD diagnosis opens up a wider range of services for you, but (in theory) that shouldn't be the case. I'm saying in theory, because CA is going through a rough patch, let's say, and funding is getting cut. But, when we started it was really easy to get services for whatever (2 years ago). Another mom I know got all the services we got for our boy, and her son only had a dx of Dev delays. At the age of 5, the expensive therapies end, though, if you have just this "lesser" dx. But, for us - RC has been a lifesaver. There is no way we would have been able to afford the expensive ST, OT and ABA, even Parent Floortime Workshop I went through for 8 weeks - all paid by RC. Then, when my son turned 3, the School District came into the picture and now shares the cost with RC. We don't pay a penny. And it's not income-based by the way (which is highly controversial, IMO - because I personally know very WEALTHY people here in L.A. that take advantage of the free services as well....Jenny McCartney used RC, she even said it in her book). Well, anyway - that's why I was asking how others (outside of CA) can afford all of this. IMO this is not feasible for regular middle class people, such as me and my H. ABA alone is crazy expensive.

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    We don't have a AS diagnosis, but still get speech and OT therapy for Zach.  Insurance covers a limited portion of it, but otherwise we just pay OOP.  If Zach hadn't been accepted into a SN preschool, we would be looking at paying over $1200/month in therapy costs.  Even with the SN preschool, we are looking at paying about half of that in private therapy.  I live in a state where you must pay for EI services on a sliding scale, and we are at the top of that sliding scale.  I ended up letting out EI SLP go because she was as expensive as our private provider, we had to pay for her, and she wasn't as good.  How do we do it?  We max out our flex spending to pay as much of it pre-tax as we can, and then just cut costs like crazy elsewhere. 
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    We don't use ABA so I can't really give you any information on that.  I have read some Greenspan books as well as watched his series of floor time videos. 
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    It looks like Texas does have a law requiring insurance to cover ABA once the child turns three, here's the article

    https://www.autismspeaks.org/inthenews/texas_insurance.php

    But, you may have to research to see if you need an Autism dx to get it covered. My state has a similar law and we took out a private policy for my ds since my dh employer is self-funded and not required to follow the law. My providers are all private and all considered out of network, and the insurance company recognizes this, they have their own ABA processing department to handle this complicated ordeal. The small amount of providers out there I think make it impossible for them to have contracts with certain insurance companies. In the end, our insurance pays for them as if they are in network.

    Look into the avenues other posters have given. You may find something there too. Good luck.

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    I wanted to thank all of you for your advice and hugs. I am now working with an EI therapist (one every 2 weeks) and am looking into opther options. thanks again.
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