Thoughts on the H1N1 shot?

christim73 · November 2009

Did or will your LO get it? Just curious!

lawry13 · November 2009

I want to know what everyone thinks too.

Sarahgracesc · November 2009

Nope. Not enough research done on it in general and it hasn't been tested/researched for effects on babies, children, pregnant women or nursing mothers. If they can't accurately say it's safe, then in my opinion, it's not safe.

ToledoDeux · November 2009

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sarahgracesc · November 2009

ToledoDeux:

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sections 8.1-8.4 pertain to children, pregnant women, and nursing mothers. If there's not research indicating it's safety, I don't really understand NOT understanding why people have qualms about it.

ToledoDeux · November 2009

Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sections 8.1-8.4 pertain to children, pregnant women, and nursing mothers. If there's not research indicating it's safety, I don't really understand NOT understanding why people have qualms about it.

That's boilerplate language - the same can be said of the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been administered for years to millions of people and any adverse reactions documented. The seasonal flu vaccine is the same as the H1N1 vaccine except for the inactivated flu virus strain included.

You have to look at risks versus benefits of vaccines when discussing safety - and the risks of contracting H1N1 for certain groups (pregnant women, children) FAR outweigh the risks of getting the vaccine.

Sarahgracesc · November 2009

ToledoDeux:
Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sections 8.1-8.4 pertain to children, pregnant women, and nursing mothers. If there's not research indicating it's safety, I don't really understand NOT understanding why people have qualms about it.

That's boilerplate language - the same can be said of the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been administered for years to millions of people and any adverse reactions documented. The seasonal flu vaccine is the same as the H1N1 vaccine except for the inactivated flu virus strain included.

You have to look at risks versus benefits of vaccines when discussing safety - and the risks of contracting H1N1 for certain groups (pregnant women, children) FAR outweigh the risks of getting the vaccine.

I very much disagree. On a variety of accounts. Firstly, simply because we don't know the long term effects aren't bad, doesn't mean there aren't bad long term effects. Secondly, the makers of the H1N1 have admitted that they don't feel it's safe enough to administer to their own families. Also, contracting the flu isn't necessarily a bad thing. Everyone thinks they need to be vaccinated against EVERYTHING in the world. Viruses are good. They build our immune systems. They help us to be able to prevent contracting things in the future.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

JAWMIN · November 2009

ToledoDeux:
Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sections 8.1-8.4 pertain to children, pregnant women, and nursing mothers. If there's not research indicating it's safety, I don't really understand NOT understanding why people have qualms about it.

That's boilerplate language - the same can be said of the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been administered for years to millions of people and any adverse reactions documented. The seasonal flu vaccine is the same as the H1N1 vaccine except for the inactivated flu virus strain included.

You have to look at risks versus benefits of vaccines when discussing safety - and the risks of contracting H1N1 for certain groups (pregnant women, children) FAR outweigh the risks of getting the vaccine.

I agree. It really is no different from the regular flu shot. With that said... I'm still deciding. I'm leaning towards not getting it for DS and maybe getting it for me. I just feel like he is getting too many shots this year, and if we skip one it will be the flu shot. I also consider him low risk. We stay at home, he is BFed, and he's never been sick.

I'll decide next week at his appt.

DaraDear · November 2009

Sarahgracesc:
Nope.? Not enough research done on it in general and it hasn't been tested/researched for effects on babies, children, pregnant women or nursing mothers.? If they can't accurately say it's safe, then in my opinion, it's not safe.

This for us too

ToledoDeux · November 2009

Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:
Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sections 8.1-8.4 pertain to children, pregnant women, and nursing mothers. If there's not research indicating it's safety, I don't really understand NOT understanding why people have qualms about it.

That's boilerplate language - the same can be said of the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been administered for years to millions of people and any adverse reactions documented. The seasonal flu vaccine is the same as the H1N1 vaccine except for the inactivated flu virus strain included.

You have to look at risks versus benefits of vaccines when discussing safety - and the risks of contracting H1N1 for certain groups (pregnant women, children) FAR outweigh the risks of getting the vaccine.

I very much disagree. On a variety of accounts. Firstly, simply because we don't know the long term effects aren't bad, doesn't mean there aren't bad long term effects. Secondly, the makers of the H1N1 have admitted that they don't feel it's safe enough to administer to their own families. Also, contracting the flu isn't necessarily a bad thing. Everyone thinks they need to be vaccinated against EVERYTHING in the world. Viruses are good. They build our immune systems. They help us to be able to prevent contracting things in the future.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

If there is a disease or infection that is likely to kill my infant daughter (or me, when I was pregnant) - then yes, I want to be vaccinated against it if at all possible. I don't understand thinking otherwise.

And the way that vaccines work is by stimulating the immune system to fight the disease without actually contracting the disease. It's a safer way to "build your immune system" than playing Russian Roulette.

And I'd be interested to see your sources for this: the makers of the H1N1 have admitted that they don't feel it's safe enough to administer to their own families.

Sarahgracesc · November 2009

ToledoDeux:
Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:
Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sections 8.1-8.4 pertain to children, pregnant women, and nursing mothers. If there's not research indicating it's safety, I don't really understand NOT understanding why people have qualms about it.

That's boilerplate language - the same can be said of the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been administered for years to millions of people and any adverse reactions documented. The seasonal flu vaccine is the same as the H1N1 vaccine except for the inactivated flu virus strain included.

You have to look at risks versus benefits of vaccines when discussing safety - and the risks of contracting H1N1 for certain groups (pregnant women, children) FAR outweigh the risks of getting the vaccine.

I very much disagree. On a variety of accounts. Firstly, simply because we don't know the long term effects aren't bad, doesn't mean there aren't bad long term effects. Secondly, the makers of the H1N1 have admitted that they don't feel it's safe enough to administer to their own families. Also, contracting the flu isn't necessarily a bad thing. Everyone thinks they need to be vaccinated against EVERYTHING in the world. Viruses are good. They build our immune systems. They help us to be able to prevent contracting things in the future.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

If there is a disease or infection that is likely to kill my infant daughter (or me, when I was pregnant) - then yes, I want to be vaccinated against it if at all possible. I don't understand thinking otherwise.

And the way that vaccines work is by stimulating the immune system to fight the disease without actually contracting the disease. It's a safer way to "build your immune system" than playing Russian Roulette.

And I'd be interested to see your sources for this: the makers of the H1N1 have admitted that they don't feel it's safe enough to administer to their own families.

I can't find the article. I read it months ago. I just googled and am too tired to wade through the thousands of pages. Here's a video that explains a bit more of why it is not just a "go with the flow because the AAP says so" type of thing. Though I research every vaccination DD gets and am doing selective vaccines because of it.

Also, here's a link to Dr. Tenpenny's site. She has a lot of good information about vaccinations and their risks on her site. I'm not anti-vaccine, but am definitely pro-learn as much about them from sources that don't recieve kickbacks from pharm companies.

phokeenguy · November 2009

When the swine flu shot first came it out it caused Guillain?Barr? syndrome, in some patients.

Not a risk I am willing to take on a NEW vaccine which doesnt protect against the ever changing strains of the swine flu.

JAWMIN · November 2009

phokeenguy:

When the swine flu shot first came it out it caused Guillain?Barr? syndrome, in some patients.

Not a risk I am willing to take on a NEW vaccine which doesnt protect against the ever changing strains of the swine flu.

The H1N1 vaccine is completely different from the first one that came out years ago. Although, there is a risk of GBS even with the seasonal flu shot, so I see this argument as invalid.

phokeenguy · November 2009

JAWMIN:
phokeenguy:

When the swine flu shot first came it out it caused Guillain?Barr? syndrome, in some patients.

Not a risk I am willing to take on a NEW vaccine which doesnt protect against the ever changing strains of the swine flu.

The H1N1 vaccine is completely different from the first one that came out years ago. Although, there is a risk of GBS even with the seasonal flu shot, so I see this argument as invalid.

They didn't know the "swine flu" vaccine caused GBS. The new H1N1 is said to have caused GBS this month.

MarriedBestFriends · November 2009

My pedi recommended against it. I can't see why we would introduce this mutating, possibly already obsolete, strain of a nasty virus into DD's body. "Dead/inactive" or not, it is still highly reactive, just like the season flu shot. The lack of testing pointed out in PPs is also beyond scary to me, and as a BFing mother I did not receive the seasonal flu shot this year either.

DestinationWeddingKeyWest · November 2009

I did get it because I work in an ER and am exposed to it every day that I'm at work. I ONLY got it because I don't want to bring it home to DD and I'm not as concerned about my safety as protecting her. I still BF so I was concerned about getting it at all but I am too high risk not to. She will not be getting the vac.

eris1995 · November 2009

Our pedi and step mom (who's a pedi) highly recommended it. I trust them both and also did research on my own. DS got the shot on Monday.

lehighubride04 · November 2009

My DS got it. I think everyone should. But I think people need to make up their own minds.

Mrs.Hizzo · November 2009

DH has gotten it, and both my boys have had their first rounds. I have not because it hasn't been made available to me yet. I had some concerns initially, but I've looked into it and talked a lot with our pedi and my DH (who's a physician) about it, and I feel comfortable with it. It's just another type A flu. There's a type A in every seasonal vaccine, every year, and this vaccine is made the same way.

sandradee1812 · November 2009

Sarahgracesc:
Nope. Not enough research done on it in general and it hasn't been tested/researched for effects on babies, children, pregnant women or nursing mothers. If they can't accurately say it's safe, then in my opinion, it's not safe.

I agree!

julia0402 · November 2009

I just can't deal with these threads anymore. I don't know why I even opened it.

IT IS THE SAME AS THE SEASONAL FLU SHOT and GBS is a risk with all vaccines YWIA

Mjmksb04 · November 2009

I am all for it and I am normally not the type that does flu shots. DS got his first dose last month and hopefully his next dose at the end of this month.

ETA: the H1n1 is the same thing as the seasonal flu vax, except its formulated with the H1N1 strain. Had the H1N1 appeared 6-8 weeks earlier it would have been a part of the seasonal flu vax anyway.

Mrs.0428 · November 2009

Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:
Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:
Sarahgracesc:
ToledoDeux:

I got it, H got it, and my 2 year-old got it. No qualms at all. We are all in high risk categories, and the vaccine is as safe as the seasonal flu vaccine, which we also get every year.

It's a no-brainer to me - I've been baffled from the beginning about the hysteria and paranoia surrounding this vaccine.

Sections 8.1-8.4 pertain to children, pregnant women, and nursing mothers. If there's not research indicating it's safety, I don't really understand NOT understanding why people have qualms about it.

That's boilerplate language - the same can be said of the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been administered for years to millions of people and any adverse reactions documented. The seasonal flu vaccine is the same as the H1N1 vaccine except for the inactivated flu virus strain included.

You have to look at risks versus benefits of vaccines when discussing safety - and the risks of contracting H1N1 for certain groups (pregnant women, children) FAR outweigh the risks of getting the vaccine.

I very much disagree. On a variety of accounts. Firstly, simply because we don't know the long term effects aren't bad, doesn't mean there aren't bad long term effects. Secondly, the makers of the H1N1 have admitted that they don't feel it's safe enough to administer to their own families. Also, contracting the flu isn't necessarily a bad thing. Everyone thinks they need to be vaccinated against EVERYTHING in the world. Viruses are good. They build our immune systems. They help us to be able to prevent contracting things in the future.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

If there is a disease or infection that is likely to kill my infant daughter (or me, when I was pregnant) - then yes, I want to be vaccinated against it if at all possible. I don't understand thinking otherwise.

And the way that vaccines work is by stimulating the immune system to fight the disease without actually contracting the disease. It's a safer way to "build your immune system" than playing Russian Roulette.

And I'd be interested to see your sources for this: the makers of the H1N1 have admitted that they don't feel it's safe enough to administer to their own families.

I can't find the article. I read it months ago. I just googled and am too tired to wade through the thousands of pages. Here's a video that explains a bit more of why it is not just a "go with the flow because the AAP says so" type of thing. Though I research every vaccination DD gets and am doing selective vaccines because of it.

Also, here's a link to Dr. Tenpenny's site. She has a lot of good information about vaccinations and their risks on her site. I'm not anti-vaccine, but am definitely pro-learn as much about them from sources that don't recieve kickbacks from pharm companies.

Yes, let me listen to a Dr. who is not a Doctor of Medicine but a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. DO's barely have recognition outside of the US. Sorry, I'm going to listen to my son's pedi who is a MD and not some DO who is against every vaccation out there.

Off to continue to vaccinate my child, so that your child won't come down with a deadly disease that you refuse to vaccinate them against because of whatever off the wall reason you can find on the internet.

I bet if I "researched" enough on the world wide web I could find a study that said sleeping causes cancer.

wellfleet04 · November 2009

Ditto julia. IT IS THE SAME TESTING AND PROCESS AS THE SEASONAL FLU SHOT. It is not any more "new" or "untested" than the seasonal flu shot is EVERY SINGLE YEAR. If you are pro-flu shot, it make NO SENSE not to get the h1n1 shot, since that is the only flu out there right now. If they'd isolated the h1n1 strain a month earlier, it would be INCLUDED in this year's seasonal shot and there would not be this hysteria. It will be included in next years.

I get it that some people are anti-flu shot in general, and if that is the case then I get not getting the h1n1. But to get the seasonal shot and not h1n1 makes no sense at all.

And the GBS is from ALL vaccines, and the "swine" one that caused it was in the 1970s. Totally different strain of flu.

iteachk · November 2009

This post makes my head hurt.

ToledoDeux · November 2009

MarriedBestFriends:
My pedi recommended against it. I can't see why we would introduce this mutating, possibly already obsolete, strain of a nasty virus into DD's body. "Dead/inactive" or not, it is still highly reactive, just like the season flu shot. The lack of testing pointed out in PPs is also beyond scary to me, and as a BFing mother I did not receive the seasonal flu shot this year either.

This is just nonsensical. Holy mother of god, this thread is maddening.

MarriedBestFriends · November 2009

ToledoDeux:
MarriedBestFriends:
My pedi recommended against it. I can't see why we would introduce this mutating, possibly already obsolete, strain of a nasty virus into DD's body. "Dead/inactive" or not, it is still highly reactive, just like the season flu shot. The lack of testing pointed out in PPs is also beyond scary to me, and as a BFing mother I did not receive the seasonal flu shot this year either.
This is just nonsensical.? Holy mother of god, this thread is maddening.

Nonsensical? Hello---so many people get sick immediately following a flu shot. It's really not an argument that needs to be had--- it just IS.

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