please don't attack...h1n1 question

csprenkle · November 2009

Is anyone not getting the h1n1 vaccine? Do you normally get the flu vacc? What are your reasons? Thanks

RivieraMaya05 · November 2009

I'm not getting it but I get the regular flu vax. This is obviously JMO and everyone should decide what is best for themselves and not judge others. My reason for not getting it is that it's never been tested on pregnancy women, never been tested on children and only had a 5 day drug trial. The manufacturer even wrote into the bill that passed congress that they aren't liable for any complications from the vaccine. Also, not that it really matters to me but it's not FDA approved. There has to be an actual clinical trial and there wasn't one.

happytobemrs.m · November 2009

RivieraMaya05:
I'm not getting it but I get the regular flu vax. This is obviously JMO and everyone should decide what is best for themselves and not judge others. My reason for not getting it is that it's never been tested on pregnancy women, never been tested on children and only had a 5 day drug trial. The manufacturer even wrote into the bill that passed congress that they aren't liable for any complications from the vaccine. Also, not that it really matters to me but it's not FDA approved. There has to be an actual clinical trial and there wasn't one.

This is incorrect. OP go to flu.gov for the facts. It was tested for longer than 5 days...NIH did extensive testing on it and it is FDA licensed.

mopsie · November 2009

RivieraMaya05:
I'm not getting it but I get the regular flu vax. This is obviously JMO and everyone should decide what is best for themselves and not judge others. My reason for not getting it is that it's never been tested on pregnancy women, never been tested on children and only had a 5 day drug trial. The manufacturer even wrote into the bill that passed congress that they aren't liable for any complications from the vaccine. Also, not that it really matters to me but it's not FDA approved. There has to be an actual clinical trial and there wasn't one.

From September 15, 2009: The U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced today that it has approved four vaccines against the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus. The H1N1 vaccines approved today undergo the same rigorous FDA manufacturing oversight, product quality testing and lot release procedures that apply to seasonal influenza vaccines

PMeg819 · November 2009

I am LOLing HARD at the no FDA approval comment. I work for a company who did one of the H1N1 trials. It was most definitely but through a clinical trial and is most definitely approved. You can't get past the FDA.

caseybuchda · November 2009

I got it two weeks ago honestly only because my doctor recommended it and I trust him and obey what he says haha. I don't normally get the regular flu vaccine because there are so many strands of the flu and the shot only covers a few of them. I am not dead yet and I had no side effects from it and only a little bruising on my arm, no soreness at all. To me the risks of getting H1N1 outweigh the small risks of the vaccine side effects, which again I have yet to have any.

southernbelle82 · November 2009

caseybuchda:
To me the risks of getting H1N1 outweigh the small risks of the vaccine side effects, which again I have yet to have any.

I don't think I know a single person who is concerned with immediate risks...it's the long term, unknown risks that you wouldn't see yet.

To answer the OP, I'm still on the fence about H1N1. I don't get regular flu shots, never had an issue. Didn't get it with my first pregnancy either.

JuneMomma10 · November 2009

I normally get the regular flu shot because I work in schools and am around kids. I got my flu shot while pregnant but i didn't know I was yet. I got my H1N1 vaccine last week because again I work around kids and the CDC was recommending that pregnant women get the vaccine. No side-effects from either shot for me.

madladybride · November 2009

I do not get the regular flu vaccine and I am NOT planning on getting the H1N1 or at least not until my second trimester. It is hard enough to get the H1N1 vaccine, let alone to find it without thermisol. I don't think enough time has elapsed to see what the long term effects (if any) there are on human babies. I won't see my mw until 11/18 and if she thinks I should get vaccinated, then I might. Good luck with what you decide

preppynewlywed · November 2009

Not getting either.

My OB doesn't seem concerned with my decision.

SandyGirl424 · November 2009

The flu vaccine is made the SAME way the seasonal flu Vaccine was made. Same process, just DIFFERENT strain of the flu. That's it.

the one selling point for me was that KIDS are dying at an ALARMING rate of h1N1 and you can't vaccinate your baby against it until he's/she's 6 months old.

I wasn't going to get the vaccine but after watchng a special on it, and seeing how many kids are dying, it was worth the SMALL risk of whatever "might" happen in utero vs my kid dying after birth.

mopsie · November 2009

SandyGirl424:
The flu vaccine is made the SAME way the seasonal flu Vaccine was made. Same process, just DIFFERENT strain of the flu. That's it.
the one selling point for me was that KIDS are dying at an ALARMING rate of h1N1 and you can't vaccinate your baby against it until he's/she's 6 months old.
I wasn't going to get the vaccine but after watchng a special on it, and seeing how many kids are dying, it was worth the SMALL risk of whatever "might" happen in utero vs my kid dying after birth.

This. While we may not have long-term data on the effect on babies in-utero, we DO know that it KILLS PREGNANT WOMEN AND BABIES at much higher rates than anyone else. Why take the risk?

careyrdh · November 2009

preppynewlywed:

Not getting either.

My OB doesn't seem concerned with my decision.

This. After I told my OB I decided against both shots, she just said okay and just make sure you are washing your hands often and properly. Eh, I'm not worried really.

RivieraMaya05 · November 2009

PMeg819:
I am LOLing HARD at the no FDA approval comment. I work for a company who did one of the H1N1 trials. It was most definitely but through a clinical trial and is most definitely approved. You can't get past the FDA.

Laugh all you want. I didn't say they went around the FDA. It doesn't have official approval. From what I was told from more than one doctor, it takes longer than a few months to get FDA approval because clinical trials have to take place. How long has this outbreak been taking place? It started taking place in late april/may. That's long enough for a trial? Even so, that was on healthy people, not kida and pregnant people.

There is nothing wrong with getting the vax if that's what you want to do. Go get in line. There is no need to be so snarky ladies.

pepomntpat · November 2009

I'm not getting either one because no one has them and I'm honestly tired of worrying so much about it. Wash your hands, eat well, get lots of rest and exercise.

*Amy15* · November 2009

Just spent all of last week at the hospital with DS- he is 2 years old- turns out he has a viral phnemonia in his right lung and they said it could be b/c of H1N1 (no tests to confirm). Anways... seeing how fast and hard it hit him and what it has done to him.... and that the doctors say it was a "mild" case... pretty scary to me.

I think we will both be getting the vaccine - They say even if you think you had a mild case still best to get the vaccine...

However- I am waiting for the new vaccine out of Austrailia that is supposed to be geard towards pregnant women in that it doesn't boost the immune system like the regular one.

happytobemrs.m · November 2009

I think it's important not to misstate the facts. There are enough rumors going around about this vaccine and there is no need to perpetuate them.

Fact: H1N1 is affecting PG woman and in turn their unborn babies in ways that no other flu has

Fact: The vaccine has been FDA approved.

Fact: The vaccine was made the EXACT same way every other vaccine was made. The injectables contact a dead virus. The nasal spray (which is not recommended for PG women) is a live weakened virus.

Again, you are welcome to make whatever choice is right for you and your family but please read up before doling out advice.

PMeg819 · November 2009

The clinical trials have already taken place, most of them started in June/July and there are some that are still ongoing. As soon as H1N1 hit, they started developing and testing in a pre-clinical setting the vaccine. Vaccine trials do not take long to run. You get the shot, you are tested for antibodies over a period of time. As a pp mentioned, the H1N1 is more or less a flu vaccine (which have been extensively tested) that contains a different strain. In this instance, it's the H1N1 strain. Whether you believe it or not, the FDA cannot issue an approval for something that isn't tested in a clinical trial.

MrsAmyB · November 2009

I'm not. Its my personal choice. I dont trust that long term affects have been looked at when they tested. Drugs that were once approved get recalled all the time. Its not worth the risk for me.

Additionally, I do get get seasonal flu shots either. I would get them annually if I had a comprimised immune system.

PMeg819 · November 2009

And yes, trials were done in children and pregnant women. Hell, I saw info about trials being done on pregnant women on the local news. If you want to dispute facts, at least know them.

Temp950106187509203 · November 2009

I'm not getting either one. The only times I've gotten the flu correspond directly to the only times I've gotten a seasonal flu vaccine, so I'd prefer to take my chances.

caseybuchda · November 2009

Well put!

RivieraMaya05 · November 2009

PMeg819:
And yes, trials were done in children and pregnant women. Hell, I saw info about trials being done on pregnant women on the local news. If you want to dispute facts, at least know them.

I know a lot of facts. My husband is in CDC meetings daily. Believe whatever you want but like I said you don't have to be bitchy.

kboh'sgal · November 2009

happytobemrs.m:

I think it's important not to misstate the facts. There are enough rumors going around about this vaccine and there is no need to perpetuate them.
Fact: H1N1 is affecting PG woman and in turn their unborn babies in ways that no other flu has
Fact: The vaccine has been FDA approved.
Fact: The vaccine was made the EXACT same way every other vaccine was made. The injectables contact a dead virus. The nasal spray (which is not recommended for PG women) is a live weakened virus.
Again, you are welcome to make whatever choice is right for you and your family but please read up before doling out advice.

PMeg819 · November 2009

And working on clinical trials is my job. So I'm not exactly an idiot on this either. Besides, information on preliminary clinical trial data is easily available. I googled it and found plenty of results.

I'm not being b!tchy. It does a disserve to everyone if you state information wrong. If you don't want to get the vaccince because you have concerns over long-term adverse reactions, then so be it. But to tell people that the vaccine has not been through any clinical testing is blatantly wrong and fearmongering.

buffalo_buckeye · November 2009

happytobemrs.m:

I think it's important not to misstate the facts. There are enough rumors going around about this vaccine and there is no need to perpetuate them.
Fact: H1N1 is affecting PG woman and in turn their unborn babies in ways that no other flu has
Fact: The vaccine has been FDA approved.
Fact: The vaccine was made the EXACT same way every other vaccine was made. The injectables contact a dead virus. The nasal spray (which is not recommended for PG women) is a live weakened virus.
Again, you are welcome to make whatever choice is right for you and your family but please read up before doling out advice.

this. All of it.

kboh'sgal · November 2009

The above and...pg women are much more likely to end up on a respirator or dead from this. I don't usually get any flu shots, and was against getting the H1N1. But after hearing the risks of not getting it - I went with my doctor's advice and took it.

marykaybride · November 2009

rosenjoe:
I'm not getting either one. The only times I've gotten the flu correspond directly to the only times I've gotten a seasonal flu vaccine, so I'd prefer to take my chances.

Ditto. I've never had a flu shot and I've never had the flu. I don't consider this to be a coincidence.

gmugrad9 · November 2009

Both my primary care and OB recommended waiting to get it till I was out of my first trimester. I will look again at it then.

I have already had the seasonal flu and the doctor believes I had H1N1 in August but no test to confirm it.

caseybuchda · November 2009

Southernbelle-

I realize that, I only mentioned it because I know a lot of people can get flu like symptoms after their regular flu shot and I have heard of a lot of people saying that they don't want to get sick after getting it in their first trimester since they already have morning sickness.

tnd81 · November 2009

For now I'm choosing to not get either. I don't know everything about the H1N1 so i'm not going to try to educate you. I'm just giving my answer which you asked for! Some ladies get snappy about it to reassure themselves they made the right decision. It's annoying. At the end of the day it's your decision and you're the one who has to live with it.

It's a really hard decision b/c the gov is scaring us all into getting it but if you think about it, the H1N1 vacc is gov funded, they need to recoup their money. They're going to limit supplies and scare us into thinking you have to get it and right now or you may never - something to think about. The gov't is in it for themselves. More than that tho my cousin's son is autistic, she's done EXTENSIVE research on autism and from her theories and my research on the flu vaccs, I'm trying to avoid the vaccs as long as possible. If it becomes a huge breakout in my area and I feel dangered then I'll probably get it. Until then I'll keep washing my hands, eating well and exercising. GL!!

cusey2006 · November 2009

I also work in clinical trials and here is another fact which might help your decision. ?If you were to contract the flu or the swine flu as long as you call your doc as soon as you feel crappy (trust me this will be a crappy that you cant ignore feeling) your doctor can test you. ?If you get there within 48 hours of feeling bad, tell them your pregnant might help you get in faster, you CAN take tamiflu while pregnant. ?I have worked on Tamiflu for 2 years now and it has tremendous success rates on both strains of the flu. ?And remember to stay hydrated, that is why most pregnant women end up in the ER is dehydration. ?So fluids and?popsicles.

christykell · November 2009

Not judging anyone for choosing not to get the vax here but can I just point out one quick tidbit here?

I am seeing a lot of "I will wash my hands, rest, eat well and exercise" for prevention.

While those are all fantastic ways to be vigilant and smart things to do, you will never be able to control those tiny little droplets in the air you breathe in. Any time you go out in public and are within 3-6 feet from someone, you are in their breathing zone. One cough, one sneeze etc etc and you are susceptible.

Unfortunately, that is something very hard to control and all the hand washing in the world won't help in that situation.

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