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s/o Karma: I don't believe in it.

I absolutely don't believe in Karma.  Not at all. I don't believe what goes around comes around, I don't believe people learn the lessons, I don't believe based on cosmic powers the good will find great fortune by just being good.  I was raised by a father that sat me down when I was 6 and told me this: "If you do bad it doesn't come back to you and teach you a lesson.  Don't sit around and wait for breaks because you've done good either.  Sometimes bad people win and sometimes good people lose-end of story.  Take no comfort in thinking they'll get theirs because sometimes they won't.  Do good just because you're good not to make a deal "

What if what goes around never comes around?

Re: s/o Karma: I don't believe in it.

  • Me neither.  I believe in Jesus.

     

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  • imagePeetiePie:

    Me neither.  I believe in Jesus.

     

    word.

  • imageM0815:

    What if what goes around never comes around?

    I don't know. I think there's always something that comes around to bite someone in the butt......Some people just may "act" like it doesn't.

    I do get what you're saying though. Bad things happen to good people everyday. I think it's often the those that deserve the most that get the least....

  • Half of me believes in karma.. half of me doesnt.

    I don't know what on earth any of us could have done to deserve losing our babies. 

    I've always tried to help out people who need it, and generally do good in my life. Not in hopes of getting something out of it, but moreso because to me, it feels better doing good than hurting people.

    I'd like to think that for all the good things that I've done, the 'universe' or whatever would cut me some slack once in awhile. We'll see I guess. 

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  • I think the real meaning behind Karma comes in if you believe in reincarnation as well- which Christian religions don't. Like, if you didn't learn the lesson in your past life, you're going to keep getting hit over the head with it. The good you do might not come back to you in this life, but will maybe elevate you to a different level of spiritual maturity in your next life.

    That said, I call myself Catholic, but the idea of my soul coming back and benefiting from what I'm doing right now in this life gives me more comfort than just thinking I'll go to heaven and that's that. I like to think my baby's soul is coming back to someone too (esp if that person is me).

    That sounds pretty heavy now that I read it again. And it's not to say any of us have not earned the right to have a baby b/c of something we did in a past life.

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  • I think karma is a way to ease guilt. just my opinion. trusting in the Lord works fine with me.
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  • i'm pondering whether to give a philosophical hindu reply or a not so philosophical one...i think you are totally right that sometimes good people get screwed and bad people pull one over the rest of the word, but karma isn't like a credit card.  rewards for our deeds aren't instant.  karma follows you through lifetimes...so i guess i opted for the philosophical one :)

  • Don't believe in Karma at all.


  • imageM0815:

    I absolutely don't believe in Karma.  Not at all. I don't believe what goes around comes around, I don't believe people learn the lessons, I don't believe based on cosmic powers the good will find great fortune by just being good.  I was raised by a father that sat me down when I was 6 and told me this: "If you do bad it doesn't come back to you and teach you a lesson.  Don't sit around and wait for breaks because you've done good either.  Sometimes bad people win and sometimes good people lose-end of story.  Take no comfort in thinking they'll get theirs because sometimes they won't.  Do good just because you're good not to make a deal "

    What if what goes around never comes around?

    And MRS.  that's a lesson we should teach all of our children, when we get them...."Do good just because you are good..." 

  • imagepriya&peter:

    i'm pondering whether to give a philosophical hindu reply or a not so philosophical one...i think you are totally right that sometimes good people get screwed and bad people pull one over the rest of the word, but karma isn't like a credit card.  rewards for our deeds aren't instant.  karma follows you through lifetimes...so i guess i opted for the philosophical one :)

     

    Yes very well said!

     

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  • I believe everything just happens for a reason!!! Whether it is Karma or just Gods plan... there is always a reason behind it!!! I believe in there is a God and I cant wait to ask him a million questions as to why this happened and why that happened!!!!
  • imageprincesscb22:
    imagepriya&peter:

    i'm pondering whether to give a philosophical hindu reply or a not so philosophical one...i think you are totally right that sometimes good people get screwed and bad people pull one over the rest of the word, but karma isn't like a credit card.  rewards for our deeds aren't instant.  karma follows you through lifetimes...so i guess i opted for the philosophical one :)

     

    Yes very well said!

    Yep, you said what I was trying to get at much better than I did!

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  • imagePeetiePie:

    Me neither.  I believe in Jesus.

     

    This.

  • imagesydney0928:
    imageprincesscb22:
    imagepriya&peter:

    i'm pondering whether to give a philosophical hindu reply or a not so philosophical one...i think you are totally right that sometimes good people get screwed and bad people pull one over the rest of the word, but karma isn't like a credit card.  rewards for our deeds aren't instant.  karma follows you through lifetimes...so i guess i opted for the philosophical one :)

     

    Yes very well said!

    Yep, you said what I was trying to get at much better than I did!

    my mom would be so proud that all those mornings in temple weren't wasted on me.  Big Smile

  • imageM0815:

     Do good just because you're good

    This!!

     

  • I guess I don't believe in Karma, but I do believe in energy....I believe if you are the kind of person that always puts out negative energy, then eventually all you are going to get is negativity in return (you may live it up and "win" and enjoy for a period of time, but eventually it will end)...and the same with positivity (even though bad things will still happen to good people).  I consider myself a positive person...I try to be a good person, but I have my flaws.....I try to be hopeful and positive, but sometimes it is hard....so I hope I put out that positive energy enough of the time that positive, good people will be attracted to me and the negative, bad ones couldn't be bothered with me.   That being said, I don't look at loosing my baby as the universe punishing me, or me getting bad karma....it just wasn't meant to be....doesn't mean I'm never going to have a baby, doesn't mean DH & I don't derserve a baby...doesn't mean it doesn't suck and hurt like hell....just means for whatever reason the time just wasn't right for my baby....
  • If I believed in Karma, I would have to believe that I kicked a baby puppy into Jesus while tripping a Boy Scout helping an old lady across the street a few years back.

    If doing good earns you good and doing bad earns you bad, the past three years must mean I've done something horrible.  Since I haven't done anything horrible and terrible things have just happened to us, I'm no fan of karma.

    I do think that if you put good energy into the world and do things for other people, they are more apt to do things for you, but I don't think that exempts you from crazy random happenstances.

  • I don't really believe in Karma because I'm a Christian. I do believe that bad thinga happen to good people and vice versa.    I do thing that if there is a "payback" from Karma we may not see it until the end of our lives..i.e. good people go to Heaven and bad people go to Hell. I  understand the whole "repeat it' til you get it right" theory of reincarnation but don't  believe in reincarnation.  Having said that, I sometimes get this really weird feeing  that my 4 MCs were one baby trying to "get through".   I'm not sure why I do. 
    dd(Brianna) 11/01/94, ds(Bram)10/17/95, ds(Jesse)9/26/97, dd (Annie Ruth) 7/27/05 5mc Jan '08, May '08, Feb '09, Sept '09, Apr '11 "And can it be that in a world so full and busy, the loss of one weak creature makes a void in any heart, so wide and deep that nothing but the width and depth of vast eternity can fill it up." - Charles Dickens

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  • imagegrr_aargh:

    If I believed in Karma, I would have to believe that I kicked a baby puppy into Jesus while tripping a Boy Scout helping an old lady across the street a few years back.

    i have to say, that my m/c was the hardest things i ever lived through.  my mom kept saying it happened for a reason - like maybe the baby wasn't healthy or whatever.  I got (and still am) incredibly angry because if god could take my unhealthy baby away, couldn't he have made my baby healthy?  and thinking about how maybe it was something i did that made me deserve going through that is obviously incredibly hard to swallow and infuriating.  after all, i don't think i have done anything to deserve that.  i don't think any of the ladies here have.  i still don't have any answers but i guess whatever religion you are, all you can do is have faith, keep being a good person, and see what happens.

  • imageM0815:

    Do good just because you're good not to make a deal "

    I do believe this, however and am tryign to instill that in my children when they are making bad decision based on what "everybody else" is doing.

    dd(Brianna) 11/01/94, ds(Bram)10/17/95, ds(Jesse)9/26/97, dd (Annie Ruth) 7/27/05 5mc Jan '08, May '08, Feb '09, Sept '09, Apr '11 "And can it be that in a world so full and busy, the loss of one weak creature makes a void in any heart, so wide and deep that nothing but the width and depth of vast eternity can fill it up." - Charles Dickens

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  • imagepriya&peter:

    i'm pondering whether to give a philosophical hindu reply or a not so philosophical one...i think you are totally right that sometimes good people get screwed and bad people pull one over the rest of the word, but karma isn't like a credit card.  rewards for our deeds aren't instant.  karma follows you through lifetimes...so i guess i opted for the philosophical one :)

     

    This :) I'm hindu also, and have been taught this. 

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