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so f'ing gross-- 2 AP kids plagiarized
AP kids at my school used to be these leaders with integrity among their peers. Now they cheat more than my 9th graders. No pride.
So now they'll be receiving 0's, getting written up to their deans, having their parents notified, and I'll also be letting the NHS sponsor and their coaches know (1 is varsity volleyball, the other the band's drum major!)
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Re: so f'ing gross-- 2 AP kids plagiarized
that is disgusting.
may i ask, was it wikipedia?
Make sure to update us on the reactions of the other adults. I want to know how the band director handles this. (I am one myself).
At one HS I went to, the DM would have been taken out of his office. At the other, nothing at all would happen to him.
equally bad. Sparknotes.
Pathetic!
How is it that smart kids can be so stupid? My niece is a senior in high school. They have to submit all of their papers electronically and the papers are scanned by a software for plagiarism. Makes it almost impossible to get away with it.
ugh. i had 4 people turn in matching papers that were straight C&Ped from wikipedia. high school juniors.
what was the topic?
As sad as it is, I don't think it is altogether new. I know when I was in high school cheating was pretty common among honors/AP students- though it was more often copying people's homework and cheating on tests by writing down answers, etc. Still cheating and still bad, but they usually got away with it. I sometimes wonder where they are now, and if it ever came back to haunt them.
It baffles me that people think they can get away with plagiarism. Do they think their teachers are stupid?
I gave an old AP prompt for a 1.5 page reflection on a character whose role is a confidant-- how else that character functions in the text. They had to write on Christophine in Wide Sargasso Sea (a re-telling of Jane Eyre).
They had a 4 day weekend to write 1.5 pages.
A fact which I will point out.
I'll practice:
___, I can't help but notice that your work is identical to Sparknotes. I was unaware that you are published!
On the first day, I urged you not to put either of us in this embarrassing position. I'm disappointed in you for your lack of ethics and lack of commitment to my course (especially since Mrs. __ from last year spoke so highly of you) I'm also most upset that you had 4 days to complete such an easy assignment. The fact that you plagiarized such an easy assignment suggests you did not read the book, which in turn calls into question the paper you will be turning in on Friday. Assuredly, I will be very interested in that paper and will look at it closely. The consequences of your choice to plagiarize will be.....
Um, these are seniors who are applying to Princeton, Yale, Northwestern, Stanford, and the other most prestigious schools. They have also been instructed for several years in how to "look up" work and then cite it. Therefore, they know better than to look up info and not cite it. It is also entirely against my course policy to look up information unless research is assigned because we are training for the AP exam at all times, on which you must interpret spontaneously, and so getting into the habit of using a crutch in interpretation defeats the point of any given assignment.
Hmmm, will have to add that bit to my reprimand.
Um yea. So if they can type "wikipedia.com" do a search and hit "print" at least they did the work??
Wow.
AP = Advanced Placement. It's not like these kids are the stereotypical slackers and stoners who sleep through classes and skip school all the time...
Yeah, I hope they're made into examples.
I'm just saying it's more of an effort than I ever put into any school work. Of course, there wasn't really "internet" when I was in high school, so I didn't even have that option.
Um...not to be repetitive but....
Great work ethic, and I am glad to see you appear to not care. Are you sure you aren't the parent of some of my MS students?
Yeah. I know.
It's not an issue of work ethic. It was an issue of the fact that I couldn't read (absolutely NO reading comprehension at all) and there was nobody that was willing to help me out. It was realy hard for me to grasp concepts of things I would read, and the teachers wouldn't take time to help me work on it, it was just easier to fail. I was 25+ before I was able to start working on my comprehension and even now at 31, I still have problems with it most of the time. It doesn't mean I have bad ethics or am a horrible person/mother/etc. It just means my brain doesn't work like most people's.
i like that approach. sparknotes and the like were definitelty a crutch for me, and now i really regret not putting forth the effort...
i feel like i squandered a potentially great education bc i was lazy...i would kill to go back and do it over, and i'm only 2 years out...
That is not the problem at hand here. Telling kids who have NO reading comprehension issues, no learning disabilities, etc. that it is OK to plagiarize because they simply opened a book is just telling them it is OK to cheat, take someone elses work, and have no work ethic. Just because nobody helped you doesn't mean it is OK for these AP students to cheat, which you seem to condone.
where the heck do you teach? stuyvesant or something? i passed my ap history exams with a 3 and a 4 and my ap english exams with a 4 and a 5 and i was like #6 in my graduating class of 300. i went to a CSU. this was not atypical of my high school...
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While many people went to smaller, local colleges, I was in AP in high school. One girl I knew went to Princeton, I got into NYU (was the only place I applied... early decision) and a handful of girls in my class went to UPenn.
Sarah - 12/23/2008
Alex - 9/30/2011
"I say embrace the total geek in yourself and just enjoy it. Life is too short to be cool." - Shirley Manson, Garbage
same here. i went to columbia, my H went to BC and a few of our friends went ivy league also, but the majority went to state/local colleges.
I agree that it is awful that they cheated, but in my experience, these are the kids that are more likely to plagiarize/cheat. They are just usually better at not getting caught.
Not only that, but paraphrasing shouldn't be that much of a challenge for someone in AP.
And again.
I was an AP student and I knew better than that. Most of my classmates weren't that dumb, at least!
The interwebz makes it awfully easy for people to cheat nowadays.
Hell, if (IF!) I wanted to plagiarize a paper, I would have had to copy out of a freaking encyclopedia when I was in high school. And who wants to make that kind of effort? It was easier to do the assignment by honest means.
aokiedokie
This exactly. Does that make me old? I do not even know what sparknotes is.
I'm not even 30 yet. I mean, we had computers available to us in high school, but the interwebz was pretty freaking new still. I mean, we had internet access, but it was scheduled time in the computer labs. I didn't get the internet at home until I was a senior, and I thought I was pretty damn cool with my 56k modem.
aokiedokie
I think it still makes me old. I bought my first computer when I was in university and I was one of the first of my friends to have one. I started out with a 28k modem so you were ahead of me!
No way, that's total BS. I worked myass off in high school and college, and it disgusts me when people are able to slide their way through without doing the work. They deserve to be punished, it's not a small matter.
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