I had also read a couple stories about it this morning, so what she said on the show wasn't so shocking, but there's nonetheless a certain ick factor that doesn't go away no matter how many times you hear something.
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10) "Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
Now I understand why she was a coked up freak for so many decades.
Seriously. How on earth does someone live with having sex with their own father? I think I'd have to be in an altered state to deal with that, too. Ugh, the thought just gives me the heebie jeebies. *shudder*
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10) "Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
What was even more disturbing to me is that what stopped her was getting pregnant and knowing he could be the father. I knew she had a relationship w/ him from the news this morning, but that particular piece of knowledge sent me over the edge.
Like they slept together for 10 years, but quit b/c she got pregnant [and then aborted]...eeeek.
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What was even more disturbing to me is that what stopped her was getting pregnant and knowing he could be the father. I knew she had a relationship w/ him from the news this morning, but that particular piece of knowledge sent me over the edge.
Like they slept together for 10 years, but quit b/c she got pregnant [and then aborted]...eeeek.
Yes, that was a particularly harrowing detail. I'm now thinking back to when I was in HS and dated (and slept with) a guy with a girlfriend. I knew he had a GF. But I never really thought about it. I went to college and started realizing what a jerky thing that was to do, and I broke it off with him (I dated him on and off for like 2 years). So I suppose it was something like that, but holy hell, that's a pretty extreme situation to just keep participating in without fully realizing how freaking screwed up it is.
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10) "Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
I know, like w/out that, was she going to keep on w/ the relationship? But it never occurred to her before that that it was really wrong?
I read somewhere that her stepmom [Michelle Phillips] said that they just let the kids do whatever, even go and beg for food because they spent all their money on coke.
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You know, the upshot of this is that her story made me feel like super mom. Because when you're comparing your parenting skills to the ones she was describing you just can't help but come off looking awesome.
Some things I can say with assurance I will never do: have sex with my children, make them beg for food because I spent my vast fortune on illegal drugs, and shoot them up with illegal drugs. I feel confident using the word "never" there.
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10) "Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
You know, the upshot of this is that her story made me feel like super mom. Because when you're comparing your parenting skills to the ones she was describing you just can't help but come off looking awesome.
Some things I can say with assurance I will never do: have sex with my children, make them beg for food because I spent my vast fortune on illegal drugs, and shoot them up with illegal drugs. I feel confident using the word "never" there.
I have a hard time classifying the relationship between a 19-20 year old drug addict with her father who first had her shoot up as "consensual" even if that's what she thinks it is.
I think I'd have a difficult time staying clean and sober, too.
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i was in a bubble about this. thanks for bursting it, making me google it and joining in the ick factor crowd. ICK! As a 19 year old, she chose to have sex with her dad for ten years? i don't know about addiction and what it will and won't make you do, but the deed with your dad for ten years and then calling it consensual? i choose to call it drug induced rape for ten years because i can't go back on my googling and i just gotta make it a little less painful in my mind.
Re: Erm. Did anyone watch Mackenzie Phillips on Oprah?
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10)
"Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
This.
Now I understand why she was a coked up freak for so many decades.?
Seriously. How on earth does someone live with having sex with their own father? I think I'd have to be in an altered state to deal with that, too. Ugh, the thought just gives me the heebie jeebies. *shudder*
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10)
"Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
What was even more disturbing to me is that what stopped her was getting pregnant and knowing he could be the father. I knew she had a relationship w/ him from the news this morning, but that particular piece of knowledge sent me over the edge.
Like they slept together for 10 years, but quit b/c she got pregnant [and then aborted]...eeeek.
Yes, that was a particularly harrowing detail. I'm now thinking back to when I was in HS and dated (and slept with) a guy with a girlfriend. I knew he had a GF. But I never really thought about it. I went to college and started realizing what a jerky thing that was to do, and I broke it off with him (I dated him on and off for like 2 years). So I suppose it was something like that, but holy hell, that's a pretty extreme situation to just keep participating in without fully realizing how freaking screwed up it is.
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10)
"Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
I know, like w/out that, was she going to keep on w/ the relationship? But it never occurred to her before that that it was really wrong?
I read somewhere that her stepmom [Michelle Phillips] said that they just let the kids do whatever, even go and beg for food because they spent all their money on coke.
You know, the upshot of this is that her story made me feel like super mom. Because when you're comparing your parenting skills to the ones she was describing you just can't help but come off looking awesome.
Some things I can say with assurance I will never do: have sex with my children, make them beg for food because I spent my vast fortune on illegal drugs, and shoot them up with illegal drugs. I feel confident using the word "never" there.
Alex (11/14/06) and Nate (5/25/10)
"Want what you have, do what you can, be who you are." - Rev. Forrest Church
SO TRUE.
And me too - I can say never to all those things quite easily.
This cracked me up.
I feel horrible for her. ?It's a very sad story and much more common than anyone can think.
?I've seen stories of parents/grandparents who shoot up their kids and then sell them to be raped in the orange groves. ?
There's a whole different world out there that I think people just don't like to believe is going on.?
I didn't actually watch it but read excerpts...at the end of the article, she claimed she wanted to be the "face of consensual incest."
I just don't buy there is such a thing. And I feel really bad that in her reality that's true. Her life is completely ruined.
I have a hard time classifying the relationship between a 19-20 year old drug addict with her father who first had her shoot up as "consensual" even if that's what she thinks it is.
I think I'd have a difficult time staying clean and sober, too.