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I want the baptism but hes doesnt.
I am not a religious person persay. Yet I was raised christian/catholic.(My family is split and different churches.) I study all faithes including hinduism, judaism,christianity, islam, buddism, and ya I am just very open minded. The books that are in my libray are ranges of what are listed above and more. I guess you could call me agnostic.
In my own belief I due see the importance of baptisms and I want to have my son baptised. Yet my husband is not religious what so ever, he never talks of what he thinks, he is agnostic as well thou.
Because I truely due believe in baptism and both or families beleive in them as well I want my son baptised. Yet with my husband doesnt want it Im not sure what to do.
I really need help with this.
My son will be raised to know all religions because I think if you believe one side of things why not know the other side so you can defend your own belief and also be intellegent enough not to make a fool of one self.
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Re: I want the baptism but hes doesnt.
Piper Jo: October 14'
I wouldn't baptize until both parties are on board. ?And, if that means waiting until LO is old enough to make his own decision then, so be it. ?But, I just can't advocate getting a child baptized when both parents are not of the same mindset.
If you're agnostic (meaning that you're not sure one way or another whether there is a God) why would baptism be so important? ?Also, where (under what faith) would you baptize him??
Obviously you don't know why people are baptized.
I would talk to DH about it more and tell him why you really feel strongly about it. Our DS was baptized and we don't attend church regualrly or anything but we felt that it was important to do.
Actually, I do understand baptism, thank you very much. But even among the Christian religion, there are different views as to what it accomplishes. Her being agnostic made me question what she felt she and/or LO would get out of it.?
I thought this was a valid question, and was wondering myself. OP, what is important to you about getting him baptized?
oops sorry i was trying to make a post but i will just make a different thread
This. ?And not all Christians even baptize babies. ?For example, Baptists normally do a "child dedication" where the parents dedicate to God that they will raise their baby following Christian beliefs. ?Then, when he/she is old enough to decide, baptism occurs.
It is long disputed if baptism is necessary to save a baby (in Christian terms), but I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY find it?impossible?to believe that if a baby isn't baptized and dies that God will punish it to a life in Hell. ?I'm not sure if that's what you're worried about?
Either way, I think you should both be in the same page. ?DH and I are discussing this right now because we are both strong Christians, but he was raise Baptist and I was UCC (where they baptize babies) and we attend a nondenominational church where they dedicate babies now. ?I am leaning toward wanting to baptize the baby and he is leaning toward a dedication, so we have to decide together what we will do. ?It's only fair to both of us.
After rereading this, I realize that you might not have meant me when you said "Obviously you don't know why people are baptized." Sorry, you quoted me, so I thought you were responding to me.?
From Wikipedia: Paedobaptists [people/churches who baptize infants] believe that baptism has replaced Old Testament circumcision and is the religious ceremony of initiation into the Christian community.
I am not sure that I understand why you would want your child to be inducted into the Christian community if you consider yourself to be agnostic...
Ditto this. If you have no intention of actually raising your child in the chosen faith, then I don't think this is worth the argument with your DH.
Infant baptism (in some protestant denominations) is supposed to symbolize that you will raise your child in the faith and pray for them but does not guarantee their salvation.This is done with water.
In Roman Catholic it is to remove the Original sin and to make them pure which they say means that they will have salvation and therefore go to heaven.
Other protestant denominations believe that baptism should be done after being saved/ becoming a believer as a fruit of becoming saved. These denominations would not do infant baptism. But rather would do a baby dedication again saying that you would raise them in the Lord. This would not be done with water.
I attend a Lutheran church, but my husband is not religious at all. We got DD baptised because she will come to church with me in her youth, and in the Lutheran church, you are then Confirmed in the church in your teen years. Kind of similar to what people were saying about baby dedications early and baptism later, but we baptise and then when the child is ready to "commit" to a christian life, they are confirmed.
I understand a little why you want your child baptised, but I would say if you and your husband are not both on board, I would wait. You child can be baptised at any point in time.
Wow, I think this is pretty bold of you to state as fact. Some Christian churches believe in infant baptism, others don't.To be honest, it's not a tenant of the Christian faith, and I think it's fairly ignorant to say that infant baptism is "only symbolic". For you, that might be true...but it is completely inaccurate to imply that this is the truth for all Christians.
The OP mentioned that she was raised Catholic, and this is absolutely NOT the belief of the Catholic church.
i'm Catholic, and according to my faith it is NOT merely symbolic, nor "just for the parents" as you put.
I understand what you were trying to say, meaning that (from what I got) those who do infant baptism usually have a confirmation or something where the person decides to follow Christ. Be careful though in saying that you were just following the Bible. The Bible can be interpreted many different ways as we 1. do not have the original text and 2. do not speak the original ancient languages. If it was easy to interpret and so clear cut, we wouldn't have all the denominations that we do.
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I am a practicing Catholic and DH is not religious at all (his parents did not raise him in any religion). We decided before we were married that any children that we have will be baptized Catholic and atttend church with me.
I would be interested in knowing what your DH's reasons were for being against baptism. My DH does not have anything against it (except that he will have to attend and he does not like going to church), but understands that that is hardly a reason not to do it. He knows that it is important to me and that is the only reason that he needs to agree to baptize our children.
I find this seriously condescending and irritating. As if I had "really" read my Bible, my beliefs would change. My beliefs are based on what the Bible says, thank you. I am aware of the verses cited in favor of infant baptism (Colossians 2:11-12a, Acts 16:14-15, 1 Cor 1:16, Psalm 51, just to name a few).
I am also aware of the verses cited in favor of a Believer's Baptism--i.e. only baptizing once a person repents, asks for forgiveness, and publicly professes their faith (Hebrews 11:6, Romans 10:17, Matthew 28: 18-20, Acts 2:38 to name a few).
The point is, that the Bible itself isn't clear on the subject, and to pretend that it is clear is misleading. Again, it's a doctrinal preference (just as whether communion is a symbolic act or not), and is NOT a tenant of the faith. It is OKAY for Christians to disagree on this topic.
PS- I've yet to find anywhere in the Bible that actually discusses the Age of Accountability, which is something that most people who believe in a Believer's baptism believe in.
Thank you
For some you might want to read the post agian. I never said I wasnt christian yet a pastor once called me agnostic because I look at all religions because of what I think. For explaining why i think a baptism is important I have my own beliefs and I will not explain myself. Its what I believe thats that.
I should not have to explain what the importance of a baptism is, the importance of my beliefs and what my pastor and I think are not the concerns right now. Im just wondering what I should do on the fact of the matter. My husband and I disagree on a major issue.
Thank you for the people that did actually give me good advice .
Have a good night.
Look at the bold parts...these statements are why people are questioning your desire to baptize your child.
One can be spiritual but not religious. Further, agnostic does not equal atheist. If the original poster were an atheist, I'd question why she'd want a baptism but agnostics can believe in things. They just don't think the truths claimed about spiritual things can be known. Then there are several kinds of agnostics like Weak Agnostics (the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore withhold judgment until/if any evidence is found), or Spiritual Agnostics (those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence), to name a few. So I don't see why an agnostic can't want a baptism.
The suggestion that she and her husband get on the same page doesn't even consider the idea that sometimes two people never get on the same page on issues. Then what? Sometimes people agree to disagree. Suggesting that they get on the same page means either he is forced to agree with her or she is forced to go his way so I see her dilemma. It looks like the only remedy may be to wait like others said and let the kid decide.