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Momma.Brown
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i asked the Pets board to set us straight...
Momma.Brown
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on where to draw the line
https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/20309434/ShowThread.aspx#20309434?
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Re: i asked the Pets board to set us straight...
oh shlt, there's gonna be a rumble.
Sarah - 12/23/2008
Alex - 9/30/2011
"I say embrace the total geek in yourself and just enjoy it. Life is too short to be cool." - Shirley Manson, Garbage
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not only that but the question of whether our rescue group was negligent or not is a moot point. it doesnt apply to the question i am asking.?
This is true-- while there is a substantial difference between the meanings and motivations of those forms of aggression, a fast-moving child can trigger a dog's prey drive.
DD #1 passed away in January 2011 at 14 days old due to congenital heart disease
DD#2 lost in January 2012 at 23 weeks due to anhydramnios caused by a placental abruption
Most of the pets folks who posted were angry at Adamwife's vet, not Adamwife. Sure, there were a few who directed their anger at her directly, but I got the impression the majority were upset at her vet's advice to euthanize, not her decision to follow her vet's advice.
I think Adamwife was in an impossible situation. She only had bad options to choose from. I recall that I jumped all over Adamwife myself in earlier posts where she complained about her older dog and talked about putting him down. But I'm not doing that about this situation. I'm a crazy dog lover and believe that when you adopt a pet, you adopt them for life, and you accept responsibility for them no matter what happens. But when faced with a dog with violent tendencies, with 2 small children in the house, the options suck. I totally get her being uncomfortable keeping Angus in the house. Not with 2 small children to consider. She had to make another choice. I just wish that there were another viable option other than euthanizing the dog, as other people suggested, contacting a rescue that works with these kinds of animals.
But -- although I think we all would feel better if he could have been appropriately rehomed - including Adamwife - to be realistic, rescues are pushed to the brink with homeless pets. There are so many wonderful pets without homes, that rehoming this particular doggy may just not have been a realistic option. It's a sad reality that we cannot keep up with the vast numbers of unwanted pets and that euthanasia is a necessary evil.
This whole thing just makes me angry at all the assclowns who don't fix their dogs, the morons who homebreed their pets, puppymills, and crappy owners who abandon their older dogs. If more people were responsible, rescue groups would be available to help families like Adamwife's deal with these kinds of impossible situations.
DMoney will be a kickass big sister
The Pet board has to be one of the craziest found anywhere I've ever seen, including the nutters on that weird mothering.com board.
I'd just steer clear. An animal behaviourist? Right.
Sorry but if a dog attacked, viciously, another small animal and you have 2 defenseless children in the house, that thing is dying. End of story.
Animal behaviourist be damned. I'm not inviting someone into my house to work on my animal for months when I know at any time they could hurt me or my child.
I am baffled by the pets board. They are truly out there. I am an avid animal lover. I owned a dog walking business for years, caring for other people's animals. I've volunteered at rescue organizations, had my dog trained as a therapy dog, my DH worked at a vet for awhile - honestly we are fully immersed in the animal world and love them dearly. We always go above and beyond when it comes to our animals, but those people on that board take it to a new, truly special level. And by special I mean crazy. I agree with Janimal 100% about wishing there was another option, and her frustration about irresponsible issues which are filling up the shelters, but at the end of the day this has nothing to do with AW. She had to protect her kids. Bottom line. I just cannot figure out what drug they're passing around on that board.
Oh - and to the girl who can't leave her pets together alone for more than 15 min or they'll attack each other. She has some nerve attacking AW. Clearly her dogs do not have a healthy relationship and should not be living together. Dogs do not just fight on a regular basis. That is insane. She needs to look into rehoming one of her dogs as she clearly isn't providing them with a stable home.
Exactly. Not being able to leave your dogs for more than 15 minutes = crazy. Perhaps she should consult an animal behaviourist? LOL.
Not when half the people commenting don't have children. They don't get it. And until they have both a dog and a child running around their house, they never, ever will.
Yeah, there is something wrong with that. How does she live her life?!
And I finally had to leave that board because some lady chased me down yelling that DOG AGGRESSION IS NOT THE SAME AS HUMAN AGGRESSION. Apparently dogs only attack other dogs.
it's not even the lack of children, it's the lack of perspective. I can't imagine believing ever, that a four legged creature takes precedence over a human child. Even before I had kids, I understood kids come before animals. Really it's not that difficult.
LOL.
https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/2/20309434/ShowThread.aspx
I think you need to go to the second page and look at pittieboos siggy picture.
we talk about this as well over here. it's just got a different meaning
I saw that. Yeeps.
Yes. The conversations with P&F always enter "would you put your BABY to sleep????" territory. Which, is so very sane and rational.
How does one become a "animal behaviourist"? Is there a regulatory body for such a profession?
Please tell me yes.
To be come one with a PhD. after your name you probably need a PhD in Psychology or Animal Behavior or something along those lines. My alma mater had a Psychobiology degree that probably would have been a good jumping off point for that kind of career.
Tangent - That actually was my major for a year. It was awesome. Half-psych, half biology. I wish I stuck with it, but not to become an animal behaviorist, but instead I switched back to theatre because I'm stupid and I missed it.
Sarah - 12/23/2008
Alex - 9/30/2011
"I say embrace the total geek in yourself and just enjoy it. Life is too short to be cool." - Shirley Manson, Garbage
That's not all some of those ladies should consult.
That would be cool! I still wouldn't consult one. But I also wouldn't shell out thousands for cancer treatment for a pet either.
That's because you HATE animals and love Jo more!! How dare you?!?
I assume at this point you aren't reading the posts on the Pets board anymore so I am C&Ping my response from there here.
This is the regulating body for vet behavorists. There are also PhD behavorists (like the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists) that has a regulating body that I don't know off the top of my head.
My vet behavoirist cost us $200 that included a 3 hour initial consult in our home and unlimited follow up.
Married 1/28/17
TW:
BFP #2 10/10/17, MC 11/4/17
BFP #3 12/17/17 Birth 8/13/18
BFP #4 4/21/19 Birth 12/5/2019
I'm worried you have a child and can't spell behaviorist. I'm assuming your DH is doing the spelling lessons, yes? I have money that says my dog can spell better than you.. just sayin
She's canadian you ass_. That is an acceptable spelling in other parts of the world.
I wouldn't either. I don't even think I would even if I had the money. I think it's kind of selfish, to try to keep your pet alive and putting them through surgery, chemo, radiation or whatever they do for pets with cancer.
Sarah - 12/23/2008
Alex - 9/30/2011
"I say embrace the total geek in yourself and just enjoy it. Life is too short to be cool." - Shirley Manson, Garbage
Just saw your post. Here goes...
Fist off, with out seeing your dog it is hard to tell if this is just protective over his own house. My dog loves other dogs but barks is head of when he sees another dog through the window. We don't have blinds and he weights 15 pounds so he can't destroy anything, but if we had blinds I'm sure they would be damamged. So by just saying he destroys the blinds and curtains doesn't say much.
When you take him out does he try and go after other dogs aggressively? Are his ears forward and erect, what does his tail look like? Those are all very important keys to look for. My dog also backs when we walk past other dogs, but once we go up tp them wants to play.
If your dog is just acting like a dog than your daughter is not in any danger. And that being said like those on your first post said, the rescue group would be negligent if they adopted out a dog that showed aggression towards dogs or people. They are liable so if they see something like that the dog would be put down and not adopted out.
If your dog is truly aggressive, and if you don't know seek the assistence of a professional. And not just like a Petsmart trainer or something, neither a vet. They don't know enough about animal behavior. Seek a well trained trainer or a behaviorist.
First off, my friends had a VERY dog aggressive dog. He went to training and only showed aggession towards dogs. In teh past he had shows some ify behavior towards kids, but I was never there and from what the owners said it sounded like prey drive. But with the dogs history they didn't want to take any chances. He did wind up growling at their daughter and with much debate they put the dog down. Several months later i spoke with the trainer who they worked with, who is a very well respected trainer in our area and she said that was probably the best move to make with that specific dog. There was another dog she thought I was originally talking about and she was upset at first they put the dog down because she thought the dog could be helped. But when I corrected her she agreed that putting this dog down was the best option.
By this I mean it is VERY important to seek the help of a QUALIFIED professional if you have any doubts or concerns. Mainly because if you are tense when the dog is around your child your dog will pick up on your emotions and can very likely ACT on what your fears are becasue of what you are feeling. All your emotions travel down the end of the leash to your dog (thoertically speaking).
So before doing anything to the dog, seak professional help. I know you said you are not thinking of putting the dog down but I would hate to see you not take action and something happen to your child.
PS: I would pick up a book on animal behavior. There are some really good ones out there that describe canine cues such as ear placement, tail placement and what they mean. It is very helpful. Sorry, I can't remember the name of the book I have... but it lists all animal behaviors sort of like a dictionary would.
PSS: sorry forgot one point, if your dog is aggressive as well as aggressive to kids it would be more humane to put the dog down than to take it to a shelter. If you take it to a shelter chances are the dog would be put down anyway and it would be kinder to do it ourself because the dog knows and loves you. also if they would not put the dog down you run the huge risk of a bad person adopting the dog for fighting purposes and you would not want the dog to go through something like that. JMO
DD#1 born June '09
DD#2 born April '11
TTC #3 as of July '14
Your first step should have been and needs to be contacting the rescue. If you did not adopt from a specific pit bull rescue, please contact one in your area that specializes in the breed. Let them know what's going on. They can help you find resources to evaluate this situation. Your dog either needs to be controlled in your home and for you to feel confident about the relationships in your home, or to be correctly placed in an appropriate foster home.
Leaving the situation to continue and worsen is not a good option.
bwahaaahaa! This is so ignorant and unworldly. I may be using this as a siggy quote.