"Pit to Distress": Your Ticket to an "Emergency" Cesarean?

IselaCid · July 2009

Just because I know you all love these posts/articles from me

https://www.unnecesarean.com/blog/2009/7/6/pit-to-distress-your-ticket-to-an-emergency-cesarean.html

Hi Jill!

ETA the OG blog post where Jill originally heard about this: https://keyboardrevolutionary.blogspot.com/2009/07/just-when-id-thought-id-heard-it-all.html

Mama Angelina · July 2009

Wow. That is all.

madhatter2003 · July 2009

I really want to know where some of these hospitals are. I must be incredibly lucky with my doctor and hospital as I've never had a bad experience or felt rushed, or made to feel like a 'number' and not a human, etc.

I'm sure there are bad cases out there, but my own doctor encouraged me to WAIT on the epidural with DS as he knew it wasn't my wishes, etc. He sat with me and worked through contractions with me, and kept saying..."lets do one more and then decide" over and over.

ToledoDeux · July 2009

I'm sure I'll be flamed when I say that this doesn't surprise me at all.

mediadiva · July 2009

while I have no doubt there are awful people out there who DO do such things, I doubt it's the norm.

hisprincess06 · July 2009

This is so scary. Thank you so much for sharing it!!

Vixey529 · July 2009

Thank you for sharing. I already decided I don't want Pitocin... and this does not change my mind!

chelsearenee · July 2009

This is the one thing I saw in The Business of Being Born that still disturbs me. Mostly because just a few weeks ago someone posted a birth story here that had this exact scenario - pitocin, then epi, baby in distress, more pitocin, more epi, baby in distress, emergency c-section.

Squishycheeks · July 2009

That is so scary! Thanks for posting!

mags2144 · July 2009

"Yes folks, you read that right. All that Pit is not to coerce mom?s body into birthing ASAP so they can turn that moneymaking bed over, but to purposefully squeeze all the oxygen out of her baby so they can put on a concerned face and say, ?Oh dear, looks like we?re heading to the OR!? "

This strikes me as utterly bullshit. While the c-section rate in the US is certainly high, to imply that doctors are deliberately distressing babies so that they can perform c-sections is just a sad smear campaign against the medical "establishment." These people took the Hippocratic Oath. They are not trying to bring your baby to the brink of death just so they can cut you open & get home in time for dinner.

sweetfern · July 2009

Scary...I know of a few women who just had emergency sections after being induced. I know it doesn't always go that way, but I am scared to death of my office wanting to induce if I go past 41 weeks.

IselaCid · July 2009

mags2144:
"Yes folks, you read that right. All that Pit is not to coerce mom?s body into birthing ASAP so they can turn that moneymaking bed over, but to purposefully squeeze all the oxygen out of her baby so they can put on a concerned face and say, ?Oh dear, looks like we?re heading to the OR!? "

This strikes me as utterly bullshit. While the c-section rate in the US is certainly high, to imply that doctors are deliberately distressing babies so that they can perform c-sections is just a sad smear campaign against the medical "establishment." These people took the Hippocratic Oath. They are not trying to bring your baby to the brink of death just so they can cut you open & get home in time for dinner.

Yep. Because those OBs and Hospitals with staggering c-section rates just *happen* across all those c-sections.

mags2144 · July 2009

IselaCid:
mags2144:

"Yes folks, you read that right. All that Pit is not to coerce mom?s body into birthing ASAP so they can turn that moneymaking bed over, but to purposefully squeeze all the oxygen out of her baby so they can put on a concerned face and say, ?Oh dear, looks like we?re heading to the OR!? "

This strikes me as utterly bullshit. While the c-section rate in the US is certainly high, to imply that doctors are deliberately distressing babies so that they can perform c-sections is just a sad smear campaign against the medical "establishment." These people took the Hippocratic Oath. They are not trying to bring your baby to the brink of death just so they can cut you open & get home in time for dinner.

Yep. Because those OBs and Hospitals with staggering c-section rates just *happen* across all those c-sections.

I never said that the high C-section rates just "happen." In fact, I never even disputed that interventions might lead to higher c-section rates. I took issue ONLY with the notion that doctors deliberately put your baby in danger so that they can then perform a c-section.

IselaCid · July 2009

mags2144:
IselaCid:
mags2144:

"Yes folks, you read that right. All that Pit is not to coerce mom?s body into birthing ASAP so they can turn that moneymaking bed over, but to purposefully squeeze all the oxygen out of her baby so they can put on a concerned face and say, ?Oh dear, looks like we?re heading to the OR!? "

This strikes me as utterly bullshit. While the c-section rate in the US is certainly high, to imply that doctors are deliberately distressing babies so that they can perform c-sections is just a sad smear campaign against the medical "establishment." These people took the Hippocratic Oath. They are not trying to bring your baby to the brink of death just so they can cut you open & get home in time for dinner.

Yep. Because those OBs and Hospitals with staggering c-section rates just *happen* across all those c-sections.

I never said that the high C-section rates just "happen." In fact, I never even disputed that interventions might lead to higher c-section rates. I took issue ONLY with the notion that doctors deliberately put your baby in danger so that they can then perform a c-section.

And I'm saying to assume that it's never deliberate is simply naive.

**Gretchen** · July 2009

That's frightening.

I'm glad that our hospital has one of the lowest c/s (if not the lowest) rates in our city.

JCM083009 · July 2009

Whether it's deliberate or not (I believe in some cases it very well could be and maybe some it's not), the facts show that the whole Pit, epi, pit, epi deal can more easily lead to fetal distress and "not tolerating labor well". So why are so many doctors doing this???

Squishycheeks · July 2009

JCM083009:
Whether it's deliberate or not (I believe in some cases it very well could be and maybe some it's not), the facts show that the whole Pit, epi, pit, epi deal can more easily lead to fetal distress and "not tolerating labor well". So why are so many doctors doing this???

Probably because they pocket between 8 and 10K per c-section.

MrsZiz · July 2009

As a nurse and now a mom to be, I'm MORE afraid of the interventions then actually giving birth to our daughter. Honestly all of those interventions DO lead to unneccessary things... why do perfectly healthy women and babies need to be induced right at week 40 or week 42 for that matter? I also think more women are pushing to be induced than before, which also is an issue. I won't get on my soap box but do KNOW that all of these interventions have the potential to put your baby in distress and have you end up with a c/s. I'm not willing to put my daughter's life at risk... the minute they say pitocin, I'm out the door!

JCM083009 · July 2009

Squishycheeks:
JCM083009:
Whether it's deliberate or not (I believe in some cases it very well could be and maybe some it's not), the facts show that the whole Pit, epi, pit, epi deal can more easily lead to fetal distress and "not tolerating labor well". So why are so many doctors doing this???

Probably because they pocket between 8 and 10K per c-section.

Oh I agree It was more of a question for those who don't believe doctors would do such a thing.

JCM083009 · July 2009

MrsZiz:
As a nurse and now a mom to be, I'm MORE afraid of the interventions then actually giving birth to our daughter. Honestly all of those interventions DO lead to unneccessary things... why do perfectly healthy women and babies need to be induced right at week 40 or week 42 for that matter? I also think more women are pushing to be induced than before, which also is an issue. I won't get on my soap box but do KNOW that all of these interventions have the potential to put your baby in distress and have you end up with a c/s. I'm not willing to put my daughter's life at risk... the minute they say pitocin, I'm out the door!

This is exactly how I feel. Everyone keeps asking me if I am afraid of giving birth, the pain, etc. Nope, not at all. My body knows what to do. I am WAY more afraid of interventions than natural things

ToledoDeux · July 2009

MrsZiz:
As a nurse and now a mom to be, I'm MORE afraid of the interventions then actually giving birth to our daughter. Honestly all of those interventions DO lead to unneccessary things... why do perfectly healthy women and babies need to be induced right at week 40 or week 42 for that matter? I also think more women are pushing to be induced than before, which also is an issue. I won't get on my soap box but do KNOW that all of these interventions have the potential to put your baby in distress and have you end up with a c/s. I'm not willing to put my daughter's life at risk... the minute they say pitocin, I'm out the door!

It's so refreshing to hear a nurse saying this, especially here. Thank you.

lovesazzie · July 2009

JCM083009:
Whether it's deliberate or not (I believe in some cases it very well could be and maybe some it's not), the facts show that the whole Pit, epi, pit, epi deal can more easily lead to fetal distress and "not tolerating labor well". So why are so many doctors doing this???

Exactly. And I am surprised to hear that some people don't think this practice is common. Every single one of my friends and family members who has given birth from the mid 90s until now has had the pit, epi, pit, epi, routine. I have attended 3 of those births, and the doctor has threatened a section every single time, saying something like "if the baby isn't here in 30 minutes, we are going to the OR." 2 of them ended up with generous episiotomies and vacuum deliveries. With all of those mothers, the doctor encouraged them to "pick their baby's birthday" like it was a fun little game. You cannot convince me that convenience was not a factor for the doctors. Plain and simple, the research shows that waiting for labor to start on its own is the best way. How can you believe that doctors have the mother and baby's best interest in mind when they are pushing these interventions? I guarantee you 100% that there is no doctor in America that puts their patient's welfare ahead of their desire to avoid lawsuits. The best way to do this seems to be to obsessively micromanage birth - artificially starting it, speeding it up, and pulling the baby out themselves.

MrsZiz · July 2009

JCM083009:

MrsZiz:
As a nurse and now a mom to be, I'm MORE afraid of the interventions then actually giving birth to our daughter. Honestly all of those interventions DO lead to unneccessary things... why do perfectly healthy women and babies need to be induced right at week 40 or week 42 for that matter? I also think more women are pushing to be induced than before, which also is an issue. I won't get on my soap box but do KNOW that all of these interventions have the potential to put your baby in distress and have you end up with a c/s. I'm not willing to put my daughter's life at risk... the minute they say pitocin, I'm out the door!

This is exactly how I feel. Everyone keeps asking me if I am afraid of giving birth, the pain, etc. Nope, not at all. My body knows what to do. I am WAY more afraid of interventions than natural things

I agree our bodies have been doing this for years! In fact, weren't they made for growing babies and giving birth? My family says I'm such a "hippie" and I keep saying "you guys say it like it's a bad thing, I'm doing what's best for baby and I and that's keeping us safe"... I think being a nurse only adds to my "hippie" ways

kbud9 · July 2009

IselaCid:
mags2144:
IselaCid:
mags2144:

"Yes folks, you read that right. All that Pit is not to coerce mom?s body into birthing ASAP so they can turn that moneymaking bed over, but to purposefully squeeze all the oxygen out of her baby so they can put on a concerned face and say, ?Oh dear, looks like we?re heading to the OR!? "

This strikes me as utterly bullshit. While the c-section rate in the US is certainly high, to imply that doctors are deliberately distressing babies so that they can perform c-sections is just a sad smear campaign against the medical "establishment." These people took the Hippocratic Oath. They are not trying to bring your baby to the brink of death just so they can cut you open & get home in time for dinner.

Yep. Because those OBs and Hospitals with staggering c-section rates just *happen* across all those c-sections.

I never said that the high C-section rates just "happen." In fact, I never even disputed that interventions might lead to higher c-section rates. I took issue ONLY with the notion that doctors deliberately put your baby in danger so that they can then perform a c-section.

And I'm saying to assume that it's never deliberate is simply naive.

Im sure there are doctors who do have their own agenda as you have mentioned and in many cases can be deliberate. I wouldnt say it is never deliberate. But what some of us have a problem with is when people dog the entire ob/medical profession. I trust my OB/GYN 100% because of years of her having proved to me that my best interests are in mind. I am also one of those who have to have c-sections for medical reasons since the birth of my first.

Mrs.tlcS · July 2009

Thank you for posting this. It's alarming.

JCM083009 · July 2009

MrsZiz:
JCM083009:

MrsZiz:
As a nurse and now a mom to be, I'm MORE afraid of the interventions then actually giving birth to our daughter. Honestly all of those interventions DO lead to unneccessary things... why do perfectly healthy women and babies need to be induced right at week 40 or week 42 for that matter? I also think more women are pushing to be induced than before, which also is an issue. I won't get on my soap box but do KNOW that all of these interventions have the potential to put your baby in distress and have you end up with a c/s. I'm not willing to put my daughter's life at risk... the minute they say pitocin, I'm out the door!

This is exactly how I feel. Everyone keeps asking me if I am afraid of giving birth, the pain, etc. Nope, not at all. My body knows what to do. I am WAY more afraid of interventions than natural things

I agree our bodies have been doing this for years! In fact, weren't they made for growing babies and giving birth? My family says I'm such a "hippie" and I keep saying "you guys say it like it's a bad thing, I'm doing what's best for baby and I and that's keeping us safe"... I think being a nurse only adds to my "hippie" ways

Exactly. My cousin is a labor and delivery nurse (well she was, she had to quit b/c she couldn't stand what goes on) and believes as we do as well.

GypsyEsq · July 2009

Thanks for posting this.

Manderlin923 · July 2009

Thanks for posting this.

I agree that of course there are many many wonderful ob's and doctors in general but I also am positive that this does also happen deliberately. I think the whole thing is scary scary scary and I'm so glad I don't have to have my baby in a hospital!

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