Let's be fair - you're not in their relationship, so you have no idea the dynamic.
And, another point - most 32 year old men don't have 8 kids. You have to give them BOTH credit that is more stress than any of us can even understand right now (no offense to you Bumpies out there who are parents to 8 children)
I just go by what they said on TV...no counseling? Why just give up so easily. Kate clearly said it isn't what she wanted. He is the one looking forward to his "exciting" new life.
Because you are in their marriage and know exactly what happened right?
You don't have to know "exactly what happened" to see that he is immature and Kate is an overbearing shrew. Any random episode clearly displays these facts.
I don't know why everyone is such a Kate basher. I mean she def has her annoying moments, but John is a douche. He has ALWAYS been super lazy.
Everyone (not nesties, the media) jumps on her ass about the tummy tuck, tanning. and blonde hair, but he used to complain about the way she looked in their interviews on the show. On national television he would say he married a skinny blonde with long hair and next thing he knew he had a frumpy brunette wife. Of course she wanted to change her look.
And you are right, I don't know their life - but only to the extent they have it pushed all over TV.
They just gave up. If they really wanted to make it work for their family, they would have quit the show and put that effort into fixing their problems.
I'm not saying Kate is an angel either, but with the focus on so many fathers, especially young ones, being involved, this is not sending the best message out.
I just go by what they said on TV...no counseling? Why just give up so easily. Kate clearly said it isn't what she wanted. He is the one looking forward to his "exciting" new life.
Well, I don't think this is fair. This mess has been created by both of them, and neither of them appears to be getting the point, even to this day. Kate's vehement denial that the show played a role in this disaster is ridiculous and Jon's statement that he's "proud of himself for finally standing up to Kate" is laughable. You don't "stand up" to your wife by leaving.
Considering men have been bailing on their families since the beginning of time, I don't think Jon Gosselin getting divorced is going to start a movement of 32 year old men jumping ship and moving to the Trump Plaza.
I don't know why everyone is such a Kate basher. I mean she def has her annoying moments, but John is a douche. He has ALWAYS been super lazy.
Everyone (not nesties, the media)?jumps on her ass about the tummy tuck, tanning. and blonde hair, but he used to complain about the way she looked in their interviews on the show. On national television he would say he married a skinny blonde with long hair and next thing he knew he had a frumpy brunette wife. Of course she wanted to change her look.
I just find it interesting that she said it wasn't what she wanted, and yet she filed the papers.
If you're getting divorced, someone has to file the papers. I divorced from my high school sweetheart and didn't want to, but filed the papers because he just couldn't do it himself.
Considering men have been bailing on their families since the beginning of time, I don't think Jon Gosselin getting divorced is going to start a movement of 32 year old men jumping ship and moving to the Trump Plaza.
Considering men have been bailing on their families since the beginning of time, I don't think Jon Gosselin getting divorced is going to start a movement of 32 year old men jumping ship and moving to the Trump Plaza.
lol. and he is not "bailing." he will still be there for his kids. it is so obvious he loves them.
but yeah. jon & kate didn't invent divorce, despite what some of the people on this board think.
They had a really, really rough road and still lasted 10 years. Not that that makes divorce "okay" but empathy for the stresses they've gone through seems in order. I mean, can you imagine?:
Oh hai! We have twins and would like a third child. Let's do fertility treatments to complete our family.
Holy sh!t!!! We're having sextuplets. And raising twins. Now we're brokety broke broke and mommy is pretty much sidelined while she's incubating a litter.
Oh but look six premies! Six. Premies. With health issues. Ummm... we're in out late twenties with eight kids five of whom we did not expect to have and six of whom are premies... Okay. We did the fertility treatments, chose to have the kids, and now the responsible thing to do is to support them with stuff like money for college and, you know, food.
Oh look! We've been offered a TV show! People enjoy gawking at our litter. Okay... This isn't ideal but it does help with the $$$ thing so let's see how this goes... ::: snowballs :::
Alrightly. Now we're in our early 30's with 8 little kids who constantly need attention, we've been in the public eye for years, and quality alone time hasn't really happened in <insert age of sextuplets here>.
Considering men have been bailing on their families since the beginning of time, I don't think Jon Gosselin getting divorced is going to start a movement of 32 year old men jumping ship and moving to the Trump Plaza.
lol and Ditto
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It always turns to divorcing is bailing. Divorcing your wife does not equal bailing on your kids.
I swear I am sorry this board is in lala land about reality sometimes when it comes to being together forever etc.
I feel so bad for the Dads who are out there giving over 3/4s of their paycheck to support their family and driving 100s of miles every weekend to see their kids accused of bailing.
I think a field trip to blended families board is in order for some people.
You can be a better Dad divorced from your wife then some of the Dads who are still married to their wives.
Because you are in their marriage and know exactly what happened right?
This. I mean an immature man quits his job and career to stay home with the kids....sure...right.
Of course! I mean, what a sacrifice and show of maturity to give up the thrill and adventure of computer programming for $35K a year in exchange for $75K per episode.
Look, I'm sure the man loves his children, and he has said point blank that he didn't want to be a SAHD but he did it anyway because he would rather roll over than "defy" Kate's wishes. Again, this is a mess they have both created.
They had a really, really rough road and still lasted 10 years. Not that that makes divorce "okay" but empathy for the stresses they've gone through seems in order. I mean, can you imagine?:
Oh hai! We have twins and would like a third child. Let's do fertility treatments to complete our family.
Holy sh!t!!! We're having sextuplets. And raising twins. Now we're brokety broke broke and mommy is pretty much sidelined while she's incubating a litter.
Oh but look six premies! Six. Premies. With health issues. Ummm... we're in out late twenties with eight kids five of whom we did not expect to have and six of whom are premies... Okay. We did the fertility treatments, chose to have the kids, and now the responsible thing to do is to support them with stuff like money for college and, you know, food.
Oh look! We've been offered a TV show! People enjoy gawking at our litter. Okay... This isn't ideal but it does help with the $$$ thing so let's see how this goes... ::: snowballs :::
Alrightly. Now we're in our early 30's with 8 little kids who constantly need attention, we've been in the public eye for years, and quality alone time hasn't really happened in <insert age of sextuplets here>.
i guess it would be cooler if he stayed and continued to be emotionally abused, right?
o.k. so yeah she screamed a lot but damn, when you have eight kids, you don?t have time to be looking like a dear caught in the headlights, like Jon looked most of time on the episodes.Oh course she needed to wake his a$$ up and tell to put his big boy pants on.So what if he?s in his early 30?s, once you have kids they come first, no matter what. There no time to dwell in the past and think? well maybe I shouldn?t of had so many kids at such a young age? TO LATE FOR THAT!!So yeah, Kate might be moody and a little pushy, but she?s dealing with what she?s got and adapting to it.If it wasn?t for her yelling, I think Jon would just sit and stare at her all day while she does it all.So yeah, wanting to get up and leave your wife with eights kids because you feel emotionally abused by your wife is immature!
They had a really, really rough road and still lasted 10 years. Not that that makes divorce "okay" but empathy for the stresses they've gone through seems in order. I mean, can you imagine?:
Oh hai! We have twins and would like a third child. Let's do fertility treatments to complete our family.
Holy sh!t!!! We're having sextuplets. And raising twins. Now we're brokety broke broke and mommy is pretty much sidelined while she's incubating a litter.
Oh but look six premies! Six. Premies. With health issues. Ummm... we're in out late twenties with eight kids five of whom we did not expect to have and six of whom are premies... Okay. We did the fertility treatments, chose to have the kids, and now the responsible thing to do is to support them with stuff like money for college and, you know, food.
Oh look! We've been offered a TV show! People enjoy gawking at our litter. Okay... This isn't ideal but it does help with the $$$ thing so let's see how this goes... ::: snowballs :::
Alrightly. Now we're in our early 30's with 8 little kids who constantly need attention, we've been in the public eye for years, and quality alone time hasn't really happened in <insert age of sextuplets here>.
Re: Isn't it so &quot;cool&quot; that Jon is showing men that
Let's be fair - you're not in their relationship, so you have no idea the dynamic.
And, another point - most 32 year old men don't have 8 kids. You have to give them BOTH credit that is more stress than any of us can even understand right now (no offense to you Bumpies out there who are parents to 8 children)
You don't have to know "exactly what happened" to see that he is immature and Kate is an overbearing shrew. Any random episode clearly displays these facts.
I don't know why everyone is such a Kate basher. I mean she def has her annoying moments, but John is a douche. He has ALWAYS been super lazy.
Everyone (not nesties, the media) jumps on her ass about the tummy tuck, tanning. and blonde hair, but he used to complain about the way she looked in their interviews on the show. On national television he would say he married a skinny blonde with long hair and next thing he knew he had a frumpy brunette wife. Of course she wanted to change her look.
And you are right, I don't know their life - but only to the extent they have it pushed all over TV.
They just gave up. If they really wanted to make it work for their family, they would have quit the show and put that effort into fixing their problems.
I'm not saying Kate is an angel either, but with the focus on so many fathers, especially young ones, being involved, this is not sending the best message out.
Physically abused too - I've seen Kate swat him many, many times.
how do you know they gave up? were you in their bedroom every night when they were talking it out? crying, etc?
this is so old.
Well, I don't think this is fair. This mess has been created by both of them, and neither of them appears to be getting the point, even to this day. Kate's vehement denial that the show played a role in this disaster is ridiculous and Jon's statement that he's "proud of himself for finally standing up to Kate" is laughable. You don't "stand up" to your wife by leaving.
I just find it interesting that she said it wasn't what she wanted, and yet she filed the papers.
No, it would be cooler if they turned off the cameras and went to some counseling.
*ding ding ding*
she has said similar things about him?
If you're getting divorced, someone has to file the papers. I divorced from my high school sweetheart and didn't want to, but filed the papers because he just couldn't do it himself.
lol. and he is not "bailing." he will still be there for his kids. it is so obvious he loves them.
but yeah. jon & kate didn't invent divorce, despite what some of the people on this board think.
This. I mean an immature man quits his job and career to stay home with the kids....sure...right.
They had a really, really rough road and still lasted 10 years. Not that that makes divorce "okay" but empathy for the stresses they've gone through seems in order. I mean, can you imagine?:
Oh hai! We have twins and would like a third child. Let's do fertility treatments to complete our family.
Holy sh!t!!! We're having sextuplets. And raising twins. Now we're brokety broke broke and mommy is pretty much sidelined while she's incubating a litter.
Oh but look six premies! Six. Premies. With health issues. Ummm... we're in out late twenties with eight kids five of whom we did not expect to have and six of whom are premies... Okay. We did the fertility treatments, chose to have the kids, and now the responsible thing to do is to support them with stuff like money for college and, you know, food.
Oh look! We've been offered a TV show! People enjoy gawking at our litter. Okay... This isn't ideal but it does help with the $$$ thing so let's see how this goes... ::: snowballs :::
Alrightly. Now we're in our early 30's with 8 little kids who constantly need attention, we've been in the public eye for years, and quality alone time hasn't really happened in <insert age of sextuplets here>.
lol and Ditto
It always turns to divorcing is bailing. Divorcing your wife does not equal bailing on your kids.
I swear I am sorry this board is in lala land about reality sometimes when it comes to being together forever etc.
I feel so bad for the Dads who are out there giving over 3/4s of their paycheck to support their family and driving 100s of miles every weekend to see their kids accused of bailing.
I think a field trip to blended families board is in order for some people.
You can be a better Dad divorced from your wife then some of the Dads who are still married to their wives.
Of course! I mean, what a sacrifice and show of maturity to give up the thrill and adventure of computer programming for $35K a year in exchange for $75K per episode.
Look, I'm sure the man loves his children, and he has said point blank that he didn't want to be a SAHD but he did it anyway because he would rather roll over than "defy" Kate's wishes. Again, this is a mess they have both created.
Hit the nail on the head.
o.k. so yeah she screamed a lot but damn, when you have eight kids, you don?t have time to be looking like a dear caught in the headlights, like Jon looked most of time on the episodes. Oh course she needed to wake his a$$ up and tell to put his big boy pants on. So what if he?s in his early 30?s, once you have kids they come first, no matter what. There no time to dwell in the past and think? well maybe I shouldn?t of had so many kids at such a young age? TO LATE FOR THAT!! So yeah, Kate might be moody and a little pushy, but she?s dealing with what she?s got and adapting to it. If it wasn?t for her yelling, I think Jon would just sit and stare at her all day while she does it all. So yeah, wanting to get up and leave your wife with eights kids because you feel emotionally abused by your wife is immature!
i lurve larks.