vaccination posts, I am sick of people saying...

anthea comas · May 2009

oh my gosh this makes my blood pressure go up.

I will NOT be vaccinating my child till he is a over the age of 2, and it will be done of a very limited caredful schedule. my sister has autism which we as a family believe was caused by vaccination.

i would NEVER interfere with someones decision to not breastfeed, which I believe is so much better for your baby, but whatever, it is your child, and your desicion. so don't write stupid offensive stuff about people reconsidering having all kinds of stuff injected into their child and how bad they are going to feel when it comes down with something that could have been prevented. autism is heart breaking.

SharonWantsABaby · May 2009

Yes

I agree, it's a totally personal decision.

JCM083009 · May 2009

Thank you!!! I'm not sure if you saw my posts below in your midwife/ob post, but I have a bumpy crush on you. hehe

iris427 · May 2009

My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.

When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

K-I-S-S-I-N-G · May 2009

There is a major difference between choosing whether or not to breastfeed vs choosing whether or not to vaccinate which I must point out for the sake of this argument.

If you choose not to breastfeed it has no impact on anyone else other than your child.

If you choose not to vaccinate it does potentially effect other children, because the purpose is to prevent the spreading of disease

So while I am to each their own........your comparison doesn't really work.

tiggernorton04 · May 2009

When you do the reading, it's scary seeing what kids are exposed to with the vaccinations--not just autism but other scary things too like rheumatoid arthristis, encephalitis, SIDs and the list goes on...its truly a personal choice...and if I choose not to vaccinate my child but you do...your child should be protected if my child gets an illness anyway! Many kids who get the vaccines are the ones who come down with whooping cough, etc, anyway...oftentimes, its not always the unvaccinated child.

faith_urz4eva · May 2009

I am with you on this! I haven't even decided if I will be doing vaccinations at all.....but FOR SURE not until after they are 2! Good for you!

becky&dane · May 2009

I am sure that autism is incredibly heartbreaking.

However, as far as I know, there is no credible scientific evidence linking vaccinations to autism. I have extensively researched and I have discussed this with my pedi, whom I trust.

In addition, it is not only harmful for your child to not be vaccinated, but also potentally dangerous for other children. If your child contracts something that could have been prevented with a vaccination, your child can then pass that on to an infant who has not had a chance to get vaccinated yet.

Therefore, IMO, it is extremely irresponsible to not vaccinate your child.

BlairWaldorf · May 2009

Personal decision, yes.

But as someone who caught measles from an unvaccinated child that was under the age of 2 Measles sucks.

and choices regarding breastfeeding don't impact the health of society. We have "herd protection" right now that people that don't vaccinate their children are banking on.

BlairWaldorf · May 2009

iris427:
I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

People like me, who despite the vaccine, are not fully immune to measles. ::curtsies::

LilMissSunshine · May 2009

I'm sorry for your family's difficulties. But, whether or not I choose to breastfeed will not and will never affect your child. However, vaccinations, or lack thereof, could.

I am not educated enough about the link of autism to vaccinations, so that is NOT what I'm getting into here. People who DO NOT vaccinate their children are putting the greater population of children at risk for diseases that have lied dormant for years.

My point here - you're comparing apples and oranges.

BritCole2009 · May 2009

tiggernorton04:
When you do the reading, it's scary seeing what kids are exposed to with the vaccinations--not just autism but other scary things too like rheumatoid arthristis, encephalitis, SIDs and the list goes on...its truly a personal choice...and if I choose not to vaccinate my child but you do...your child should be protected if my child gets an illness anyway! Many kids who get the vaccines are the ones who come down with whooping cough, etc, anyway...oftentimes, its not always the unvaccinated child.

I have rheumatoid arthritis, diagnosed at 14... Never have I heard it could have been caused from vaccines, I think in Texas-this stuff is not talked about or something. I asked my mom and friends with children & they have never heard of NOT vaccinating a child...

voelkels · May 2009

iris427:
My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.
When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk.? You put the community at large at risk.? So, yeah, I get to judge.?
I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason.? People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back.? People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.?

No one is saying that they are not vaccinating, just that we choose to do an alternate schedule. ?Your baby is not at risk if you choose to vaccinate on time. ?Nor will our children be around others, if they have some disease. ?Delayed vaccination just protect immune systems, it does not encourage or create disease.

thequeeenbee · May 2009

iris427:

My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.

When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

This.

magdusia · May 2009

all of this is a very personal decision..

BUT, if your child has such a weak immune system, he should not be out playing w/ kids that might have a flue or what not (doesnt matter if they are vaccinated).

My choice is that i'm waiting until my child is 2 and then i'm going to decide what to do.

On a side note, there are people that vaccinate their kids with everything under the sun.. that's their decision but you have to be careful! i have a friend with two boys who are both autistic b/c she gave them every shot and they were just getting over a flue (both at the same time).. several months later, everything changed. I think the doctor should have refused to vaccinate them when they were sick , but thats a different story.

bottom line is, it's a personal decision and everyone should understand why mothers do not want to vaccinate their children! the scare is to real and to frequent.

fialiv · May 2009

Herd immunity is just as important to the vaccinated child as it is to the unvaccinated child. Most vaccines are not 100% effective. The whooping cough vaccine (since it was brought up) is only 80% effective. We rely on herd immunity to protect the 20% of those for whom the vaccine is no effective.

I rely on Herd immunity for Rubella - I've been vacinated 3 times, and my immunity has never remained long term, and as a pregnant woman, you ARE putting me at risk by not vaccinating your child.

GypsyEsq · May 2009

Don't even know what is possessing me to jump in here but somehow the comparing breastfeeding and not vaccinating thing is drawing me in. I'm in the middle of Dr. Sears' vaccine book and he actually says, fwiw, that if you elect not to vaccine you should breastfeed so your child, the unvaccinated one, has the benefit of your immunities. So um, I guess I'm just saying that those choosing not to vaccinate and also not breastfeed are maybe even a bigger danger to the herd?

That said - we're skipping the Hep B and the chicken pox vaccines. And using a delayed schedule. And this stuff is discussed in Texas depsite the previous poster's assertions to the contrary. So I'm not sure what that whole line of posts is about either.

Blumunchkn · May 2009

That really does fall on the doctor. My pediatrician will not give my DS any shots if he even has the slightest cold, she will reschedule the appt.

nataliegrace06 · May 2009

iris427:

My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.

When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

Well said.

jessicaclare · May 2009

I have a very vehemently disagree with people that do not vaccinate their children, because it effects the health of MY child.

That being said, I also believe that I can read someone's opinions on vaccination, disagree and then state my own opinion without being deragatory or insulting. I do not agree that vaccines cause autism, but you are prefectly entitled to that opinion. I don't doubt that you feel you are making the best decision for your child, and I can't fault you for that, but I just disagree with you.

This is a public message board, and when you post on a controversial subject, you have to expect to get dissenting opinions.

kbud9 · May 2009

iris427:

My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.

When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

Ditto this. 100% Dont even get me started about how much you nonvaccinating people make me sick

JCM083009 · May 2009

kbud9:
iris427:

My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.

When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

Ditto this. 100% Dont even get me started about how much you nonvaccinating people make me sick

Way to have a different opinion without being rude. Klassy.

GypsyEsq · May 2009

FWIW has anyone in this post said they are not vaccinating? Even the original poster said she was delaying until age 2. That may be a greater delay than say other proposed schedules but maybe I missed the "selfish-disgusting-sick-causing" parent who said they weren't vaccinating at all.

kbud9 · May 2009

JCM083009:
kbud9:
iris427:

My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.

When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

Ditto this. 100% Dont even get me started about how much you nonvaccinating people make me sick

Way to have a different opinion without being rude. Klassy.

Say what you want. I have a right to be "rude" when people are putting my health and my child's health at risk

BlairWaldorf · May 2009

fwiw, there have been a few posts over the past week from girls that are wondering if they will vaccinate at all.

So I think some girls are sensitive to it already since there have been posts like that (maybe not in this one, but I can think of 3 this week alone).

kscarlett5683 · May 2009

BlairWaldorf:
iris427:

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

People like me, who despite the vaccine, are not fully immune to measles. ::curtsies::

Let's not forget that immunizations are on a schedule, and there are children who may have not been vaccinated because it wasn't "their time yet". I believe measles in fact are one of them - you don't get vaccinated until you are at least a year old. So those children are very much at risk.

trish_edmon · May 2009

magdusia:

doctor should have refused to vaccinate them when they were sick , but thats a different story.

Parents also have a responsibility to say, my child isn't well lets postpone these shots, you can't put everything on a doctor. They spend maybe 15 minutes with the child for the shots/check up and they don't know your child like you do to know if they are acting differently.

Further more is a child with a weakened immune system supposed to live in a freaken bubble because you chose not to have your child vaccinated, gee that is sooo generous of you!

GypsyEsq · May 2009

BlairWaldorf:
fwiw, there have been a few posts over the past week from girls that are wondering if they will vaccinate at all.
So I think some girls are sensitive to it already since there have been posts like that (maybe not in this one, but I can think of 3 this week alone).

Thanks Blair! Just wondering.

Aliliv · May 2009

kscarlett5683:
BlairWaldorf:
iris427:

I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.

People like me, who despite the vaccine, are not fully immune to measles. ::curtsies::

Let's not forget that immunizations are on a schedule, and there are children who may have not been vaccinated because it wasn't "their time yet". I believe measles in fact are one of them - you don't get vaccinated until you are at least a year old. So those children are very much at risk.

Also, the vaccines are on a routine schedule to prevent the rise in diseases - apparently (and I've only done preliminary reading on this) delayed schedules still add to the risk that the diseases will increase in cases and potency.......just food for thought - btw: vaccinations don't wreak havoc on a child's immune system anymore than day to day living........

sjp · May 2009

i agree with you!--did something similar with DS and will be doing the same limited schedule with this one!

idacota · May 2009

I work with Autistic kids on a daily basis. I was a nanny for 4 kids -- two with Autism, two without. I don't think that Mom would have vaccinated the first child, skipped the next two, and vaccinated the youngest. My sister has an Autistic son and two "normal" kids. No modified vaccine schedule there either. I 100% do not believe that vaccines cause Autism. I absolutely know the value of getting a vaccine for a disease that could kill you. So even if vaccines DID cause Autism, I'd rather have an Autistic child than a dead one.

realisticdreams · May 2009

mommyantheajane:

oh my gosh this makes my blood pressure go up.

I will NOT be vaccinating my child till he is a over the age of 2, and it will be done of a very limited caredful schedule. my sister has autism which we as a family believe was caused by vaccination.

i would NEVER interfere with someones decision to not breastfeed, which I believe is so much better for your baby, but whatever, it is your child, and your desicion. so don't write stupid offensive stuff about people reconsidering having all kinds of stuff injected into their child and how bad they are going to feel when it comes down with something that could have been prevented. autism is heart breaking.

I read the first page..then gave up. I have been wondering about vaccines...one of my dogs is deathly allergic to her 5 way booster..this puts the other 2 at risk but, it's a chance we take. Stupid comparison I know, but she almost died from her shots.

Anyways, in regards to the autism...my cousin's ex husband had a little sister who was perfect in every way. When she was 2 she had a series of vaccines that DID cause her to become mentally retarded. She was unable to care for herself or learn anything knew form that point. I completely understand where you are coming from. While we will probably still do most of the vacccines.

karelaorange · May 2009

Late to the punch here, but I think if you choose not to vaccinate your child there should be stricter standards for declaring such. Any time you enroll them in anything you should have to declare that they are unvaccinated; if you fail to and anything happens to another child as a result, you should be held criminally liable.

I think you should not be allowed to put your child into licensed daycare if they are unvaccinated. I'm terrified my infant will contract something because some foolish parent decided not to vaccinate their child... god forbid such a thing happens. And if it did, I pity the parent of the child when I got a hold of them.

Go ahead and skip vaccinations for non-serious illness, I don't care. And skip the HPV virus, fine. But skipping things like measles and Rubella, whose efficacy and safety is well established, is inane.

kbud9 · May 2009

karelaorange:

Late to the punch here, but I think if you choose not to vaccinate your child there should be stricter standards for declaring such. Any time you enroll them in anything you should have to declare that they are unvaccinated; if you fail to and anything happens to another child as a result, you should be held criminally liable.

I think you should not be allowed to put your child into licensed daycare if they are unvaccinated. I'm terrified my infant will contract something because some foolish parent decided not to vaccinate their child... god forbid such a thing happens. And if it did, I pity the parent of the child when I got a hold of them.

Go ahead and skip vaccinations for non-serious illness, I don't care. And skip the HPV virus, fine. But skipping things like measles and Rubella, whose efficacy and safety is well established, is inane.

Very much agreed. My previous posts may have been very heated but I get all riled up when people dont see the possible damage they could do to other people. I feel I have a right to be angered because my children could be at risk. I dont want my child around anyone who thinks they should not vaccinate because of a very very remote assumption that something causes autism.

cranguard · May 2009

I know there is no conclusive evidence that autism is linked to vaccines, but there are too many parents out there who believe it for me to NOT wonder if they're right. Nothing is set in stone for me yet but I plan to do an alternate schedule of vaccines. My child will get ALL of them but just a little later.

Mrs.Sky_and_Mr.Luke · May 2009

I agree with you lady who posted this and I'm delaying vaccinating. But my other two reasons are 1) 50% chance the baby will be allergic to eggs and alot of vaccines are egg based a problem my parents did not realize when they had me (almost killed me) 2) there is a 100% chance the baby will be immune to the vaccine you can vaccinate my family all you want and we will still catch anything. And the people who vaccinate their children can still be carriers of some diseases and pass them to me and my children who even if they were vaccinated will get it.

karin&ben · May 2009

I am late to this as well, but I had to reply. It is a personal decision, but it affects society as a whole, and IMO is screwing up the progress we have made in protecting ourselves from these diseases. I would like to address a couple of things;

1) If you aren't going to vaccinate, please tell people you are around. We just found out that my cousin didn't vaccinate any of her kids (ages 3-7) and I have been pregnant as well as my sister since then. We were very angry when she finally said something. Ignorance isn't always bliss.

2) While I can respect that some people mentioned on here that their unvaccinated kids would be kept away when ill, things like the measles are carried for a week before symptoms show and they are contagious. Once you see it, it's too late.

3) My parents happen to be old enough to remember a time when vaccinations weren't available for things that killed people. I think it's insulting to them who were so grateful for the protection the vaccinations gave.I guess when people start dying again from this stuff (I hear in as little as 3 years), you may think differently about vaccinating.

4) I have shot cards from the "90's" and as recent as 2007 and they are exactly the same with the exception of the flu, meningitis and hpv (new).

5) I really don't care what other countries do in regard to vaccinations, they still have people dying from stuff we had practically eradicated. And they bring it over here. In the words of my pediatrician, "Good luck to those kids. Death by measles is pretty bad to watch".

6) Please don't tell me that MY vaccinated kids are getting your unvaccinated kids sick. It's because of my kids that you have some sort of protection. And quite frankly, I don't want to test my kids immunity because you picked up some disease in your travels.

7) And the main reason I felt compelled to reply, by no means is the choice to breastfeed/formula feed the same as choosing to vaccinate or not. How someone chooses to feed their baby doesn't affect the health of you or me or anyone in society, unlike the issue of vaccinating. And while my immunity seems to be good, others don't have that luxury. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I or my children caused someone else to die or be deformed, miscarried etc because of my choice to care more about myself and my children than society as a whole. Obviously I don't believe in the link to autism. I think there are more serious factors going on in our environment/genetics nowadays.Autism is heartbreaking, but so is living through polio, if you are lucky enough to. But again, just my opinion. But at least it isn't potentially causing harm to the world.

MrsLeslie030405 · May 2009

voelkels:
iris427:
My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.
When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.
I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.
No one is saying that they are not vaccinating, just that we choose to do an alternate schedule. Your baby is not at risk if you choose to vaccinate on time. Nor will our children be around others, if they have some disease. Delayed vaccination just protect immune systems, it does not encourage or create disease.

Yes to this reply and the OP...the lacking of more research is due in part that most of the funding for research in the medical community is by the pharmaceutical companies... vaccines are a hugely lucrative business... this debate is so very complicated that its hard to have the argument with those who have not read up on both sides of the debate.

One size does not fit all medically and not every child's immune system can take all these vaccines in such a short amount of time... some of the vaccines are suspiciously useless and not adequately tested.

As a precaution, we will be doing a delayed schedule similar to that of 1980 before the huge rise in autism and change in vaccination schedule with a huge increase of vaccines administered before the age of one. We ARE vaccinating... just not with the overwhelming schedule commonly administered today.

JCM083009 · May 2009

MrsLeslie030405:
voelkels:
iris427:
My decision about breastfeeding doesn't affect YOUR child's health and the health of everyone in the community.
When you decide not to vaccinate, you put MY family at risk. You put the community at large at risk. So, yeah, I get to judge.
I think it's wrong to elect not to vaccinate without a medical reason. People used to die of these diseases and because of people like you not vaccinating, they are coming back. People with immune deficiences and other medical problems are depending on us all to vaccinate and create the herd immunity that protects them.
No one is saying that they are not vaccinating, just that we choose to do an alternate schedule. Your baby is not at risk if you choose to vaccinate on time. Nor will our children be around others, if they have some disease. Delayed vaccination just protect immune systems, it does not encourage or create disease.
to this reply and the OP...the lacking of more research is due in part that most of the funding for research in the medical community is by the pharmaceutical companies... vaccines are a hugely lucrative business... this debate is so very complicated that its hard to have the argument with those who have not read up on both sides of the debate.
One size does not fit all medically and not every child's immune system can take all these vaccines in such a short amount of time... some of the vaccines are suspiciously useless and not adequately tested.
As a precaution, we will be doing a delayed schedule similar to that of 1980 before the huge rise in autism and change in vaccination schedule with a huge increase of vaccines administered before the age of one. We ARE vaccinating... just not with the overwhelming schedule commonly administered today.

I hope you see this, but I will PM you as well. I am still deciding on our schedule, but it sounds like we are on the same page w/ a lot of this. Is there a schedule out there you an share with me that you're going off of or anywhere in particular how you came up w/ your plan? I'd love to see it, thanks!

cc505 · May 2009

karelaorange:

Late to the punch here, but I think if you choose not to vaccinate your child there should be stricter standards for declaring such. Any time you enroll them in anything you should have to declare that they are unvaccinated; if you fail to and anything happens to another child as a result, you should be held criminally liable.

I think you should not be allowed to put your child into licensed daycare if they are unvaccinated. I'm terrified my infant will contract something because some foolish parent decided not to vaccinate their child... god forbid such a thing happens. And if it did, I pity the parent of the child when I got a hold of them.

Go ahead and skip vaccinations for non-serious illness, I don't care. And skip the HPV virus, fine. But skipping things like measles and Rubella, whose efficacy and safety is well established, is inane.

I am late to this, too, but just wanted to say that in VA a child can't attend a LICENSED daycare without being vaccinated (on the schedule the CDC lays out). I find this comforting, but what is scary is that church nurseries, sports clubs, etc. do not require this. I have a friend whose son is my son's age (2) and she has not vaccinated AT ALL. I think it is totally irresponsible that she still puts her son in childcare at church even though there are infants there who aren't old enough to be vaccinated yet. You can bet that when I have this baby, if her son is still not vaccinated we will not be spending any time with them.

JennifernKevin4ever · May 2009

I am getting my child vaccincated. I know enough about it and he is getting them done. I don't want my child to become sick or getting other children sick either.

I think it is a personal choice. It could mean the person not getting their child vaccinated could have problems later on in life, but that is up to them. I believe most schools can keep an unvaccinated child from school if there is an outbreak. That won't be fun when having to go to work. Unvaccinated children have to be careful for carriers. Cause carriers of illnesses aren't always sick because of being vaccinated which leads the unvaccinated child open to that illness.

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