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Progesterone Question

So, in May of 2007, I had a miscarriage. I had been tracking my CM for months and months and felt like I KNEW when I was ovulating, based on the stretchy, clear, eggwhite-like mucus that would happen & I would chart.

Then, about 11-12 days post ovulation (or so I thought) I would get AF, very regularly every month.  When we got PG the first time, my cycle was very normal and AF didn't show up, BFP and then M/C around 5-6 weeks PG.

Now that I am again tracking my CM & have started using a month's supply of ovulation sticks to better pinpoint my ovulation, I am getting worried.  I have not yet seen the fertile-CM this cycle.  My cycle started April 13.  If my cycle is "normal" this month as it usually is, I SHOULD be set for AF to arrive around May 12-13.  If I don't ovulate by May 1st, this could mean my post-ovulation phase is too short......from everything I've read and from what my NFP teacher (Natural Family Planning) told us back when we learned how to chart.

 Sure, it's possible THIS MONTH my AF is planning to come later than usual, which would be random, but perhaps TTC for the first time is making my cycle different.  But I'm going based on what it usually does.

 So anyway, if in fact I DO ovulate around May 1st, and I DO get AF on May 12th, that means my leutal phase is 10-11 days which is considered too short and actually "defective."  This can mean low progesterone levels....which I know can be "fixed" with prog. creams, supplements, etc. but don't you have to see a doc. 7 dpo to be tested for your prog. level?  Has anyone done this before??

I am worried that if we do conceive this month, that my leutal phase is, in fact, too short and I'm doomed to miscarry again, and possibly that's the reason I miscarried 2 years ago.  Let me knwo if anyone has done anything to test their prog. levels and what your docs have said, if you think I should call my doc to be tested next week post-ov. & any ideas would be appreciated!

:-) Thanks

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Re: Progesterone Question

  • I think you're getting ahead of yourself. You mention NFP and say you're "charting" but you're only talking about OPKs and CM. Neither is a definitive indicator of ovulation. Are you charting your temps? The only way to find out how long your LP is for sure is to chart your basal body temps every day.
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  • holy hella information batman.  lots of people have had their progesterone tested.  it's a blood test.  usually you'd get b/w drawn on about cd3 and then about 7 dpo.  for couples under 35 years of age, it takes on average i think a full year to conceive.  most REs won't see you until you've been ttc for a full year.  however, if you notice certain issues, and bring them up to your OB, they'd probably do a blood test.  i have spotting issues every single cycle and talked to my ob about it and she took a blood test just to make sure. 

     

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  • imageWriterChick24:
    I think you're getting ahead of yourself. You mention NFP and say you're "charting" but you're only talking about OPKs and CM. Neither is a definitive indicator of ovulation. Are you charting your temps? The only way to find out how long your LP is for sure is to chart your basal body temps every day.

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  • Whoa, calm down now.

    1).  The variable part of your cycle is the time between CD1 and O, the luteal phase is generally pretty consistent. 

    2).  10-11 days LP is still okay, it's less than 10 days that can be problematic.

    3).  If you are worried about the LP length, try taking vitamin B6.

    4).  Have one of these Drinks

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  • I may get flamed for this....but this is exactly the reason I don't think I will chart when we start TTC. I feel like I would become way too obsessed like this and start freaking out over the possibilities of things that could be wrong. That's just me though.
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  • imagetamerbelles:
    I may get flamed for this....but this is exactly the reason I don't think I will chart when we start TTC. I feel like I would become way too obsessed like this and start freaking out over the possibilities of things that could be wrong. That's just me though.

    No flames at all, but FWIW this is exactly the reason I started charting. I was using just OPKs and charting CM, and based on that I thought I was O'ing several days later than I actually was. I was convinced I had an 11-day LP. When I started temping I realized I was O'ing much earlier and had a 14-day LP. I was timing sex too late. Temping got me pregnant.

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  • I beyond disagree with this.

    CM is the most definitive indicator of fertility. One only knows  if they have ovulated after the fact anyway and thats why you have a three day post peak phase to help ensure conception. Anyone can ovulate, not everyone can fertalize. It's more about fertility than ovulation believe it or not.

    Please look this up before you dismiss 2000 years worth of successful NFP methods. Besides once you use anything other than OPK's and CM it becomes Sympto-Thermal Method which is different than CrMS.

    It depends on what method the woman is using.

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  • imageWriterChick24:

    imagetamerbelles:
    I may get flamed for this....but this is exactly the reason I don't think I will chart when we start TTC. I feel like I would become way too obsessed like this and start freaking out over the possibilities of things that could be wrong. That's just me though.

    No flames at all, but FWIW this is exactly the reason I started charting. I was using just OPKs and charting CM, and based on that I thought I was O'ing several days later than I actually was. I was convinced I had an 11-day LP. When I started temping I realized I was O'ing much earlier and had a 14-day LP. I was timing sex too late. Temping got me pregnant.

     True. I agree that it helps many people get pregnant. I'm just not sure my controlling type A personality would be able to handle it...but never say never. That could all change when we start trying. 

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  • imageshakes:

    I beyond disagree with this.

    CM is the most definitive indicator of fertility. One only knows  if they have ovulated after the fact anyway and thats why you have a three day post peak phase to help ensure conception. Anyone can ovulate, not everyone can fertalize. It's more about fertility than ovulation believe it or not.

    Please look this up before you dismiss 2000 years worth of successful NFP methods. Besides once you use anything other than OPK's and CM it becomes Sympto-Thermal Method which is different than CrMS.

    It depends on what method the woman is using.

    You can have EWCM without ovulating and therefore won't be able to "fertalize" as you say.  No O = no fertility.

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    imageshakes:

    I beyond disagree with this.

    CM is the most definitive indicator of fertility. One only knows  if they have ovulated after the fact anyway and thats why you have a three day post peak phase to help ensure conception. Anyone can ovulate, not everyone can fertalize. It's more about fertility than ovulation believe it or not.

    Please look this up before you dismiss 2000 years worth of successful NFP methods. Besides once you use anything other than OPK's and CM it becomes Sympto-Thermal Method which is different than CrMS.

    It depends on what method the woman is using.

    You can have EWCM without ovulating and therefore won't be able to "fertalize" as you say.  No O = no fertility.

    Yes, I've had loads of ewcm since I got my bfp. And I think we can all agree that I'm not ovulating or fertile.

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  • imageshakes:

    Anyone can ovulate, not everyone can fertalize. It's more about fertility than ovulation believe it or not.

    I see the point you are trying to make....but many women here have problems ovulating, so don't make a blanket statement. If they cannot ovulate, obviously they won't be able to fertilize either.  *edit - I mean they can't fertilize if there is no egg.

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  • imageshakes:

    I beyond disagree with this.

    CM is the most definitive indicator of fertility. One only knows  if they have ovulated after the fact anyway and thats why you have a three day post peak phase to help ensure conception. Anyone can ovulate, not everyone can fertalize. It's more about fertility than ovulation believe it or not.

    Please look this up before you dismiss 2000 years worth of successful NFP methods. Besides once you use anything other than OPK's and CM it becomes Sympto-Thermal Method which is different than CrMS.

    It depends on what method the woman is using.

    I regularly had gobs of EWCM post-ovulation; in other words, at a time in my cycle when I was not in the slightest way fertile. While the presence of EWCM is a helpful indicator, it is by no means a definitive sign of ovulation. Besides, the OP wants to know how long her LP is. CM won't tell her that. Only her temps will.

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     So anyway, if in fact I DO ovulate around May 1st, and I DO get AF on May 12th, that means my leutal phase is 10-11 days which is considered too short and actually "defective."  This can mean low progesterone levels....which I know can be "fixed" with prog. creams, supplements, etc. but don't you have to see a doc. 7 dpo to be tested for your prog. level?  Has anyone done this before??

    A 10-11 day LP is not "defective."  It is short but that doesn't mean you will not be able to support a pregnancy.  I have read anything UNDER 10 is too short.

  • Hey guys, thanks for all the input.  I'm not freaking out, I guess my "plethora" of information made it look like I was.  I was just trying to lay out all the info I have so that any ideas or responses would be able to know all the details first.

    I am charting my CM.  I'm not doing temps.  CM & Temps, as I've studied, can both be very reliable but both can be affected by outside sources.... like if you are sick, taking meds (Musinex, for example), or running a fever, your CM & your temps can be greatly affected by this.  We chose to do the CM method of charting because it's something you test regularly throughout the day when you use the bathroom, not just once in the morning.  The first time I got PG, it was our first month TTC.  So, we were successful at conceiving the very first go-round using the CM method of charting.  It just wasn't a successful pregnancy..... in the end.

     Anyhow.  I know most docs won't see you for issues until after one year, which is fine.  We have not been trying for one year, obviously!  I've read & studied that many doctors believe less than TWELVE days of leutal phase is worrisome.  Some believe ten days.  So being 10-11 days, puts me in the category of wondering if something could be wrong hormonally.  I know this can be fixed & tested and so I just want to take the necessary steps.  I would rather NOT go through a miscarriage again, if at all possible or could be potentially avoided, ya know?

     

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     if in fact I DO ovulate around May 1st, and I DO get AF on May 12th, that means my leutal phase is 10-11 days which is considered too short and actually "defective."  :-) Thanks

    Wrong.   10 or 11 day LPs are absolutely fine.   It's anything UNDER 10 that may give you some cause to worry.    And even then, I've seen girls with 9 day LPs get pg just fine.

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  • Thanks Staycee! I've only heard horror stories...so that's good to hear.  :-) However I have read/heard of doctors believing that less than 12 days is worrisome.  Some believe 10 days, some believe 12, so I'm right in the middle of that & just don't know...
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