Another reason I never said anything... but, I think it's deifferent because it uses a part of the word "Nesties". Trust me, I've tried to think of something cute like that for EBers too, but came up with nothing ?
I'm not saying you should stop using it. I'm just saying that term helped me see how certain names used can feel exclusionary. That's all!?
I don't think it is...we're just farther away so our group is more of just our group but a very welcoming one at that. Everyone else lives fairly close together.
*I* have no doubt that you are a very welcoming group, but I know you guys! Not everyone is so lucky. ?
Where is this coming from? Is this all part of the whole first name and clique thing? Did someone say the Sacties are ultra cliquey or something? Oh Lordy.
Where is this coming from? Is this all part of the whole first name and clique thing? Did someone say the Sacties are ultra cliquey or something? Oh Lordy.
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I said that I didn't see where people were coming from when they said certain names are exclusionary (since I have been on that side of the coin before!), until the "Sactie" term came out. I didn't say it to start anything...just demonstrating that I could see both points. ?
Sorry - I don't mean to start drama but it seems a little much to say that using the words "sacties" or "EB-ers" or "central valley nesties" or "Lodi - area nesties" is exclusionary.
For example: I don't think that Jewell meant to exclude anyone from her post about wanting to do a Lodi-area gtg. She just wants to meet people and make friends.
I don't think that April posting about a rez walk is exclusionary...I don't get my feelings hurt because I live 2 hours away and can't go (although I'd like to).
I don't think that Teri meant to be exclusionary by organizing a GTG in Tracy for the local nesties.
I don't think that the East Bay Nesties who are coordinating the pampering days are excluding anyone....
I can't speak for all of the "sacramento area nesties" when I say this but from my opinion, it's used for anyone who is interested in attending a gtg in our area.
Flame away....
Nobody said life would be easy, they just promised it would be worth it.
no flame here!! I totally understand the intention behind it! but, I actually think when an EB GTG is planned, it's called that: "EB GTG". Not that it's specifically calling for people from the EB...just that that is where the GTG is located.?
I had to go back to see where this came from. It appears to be responsive to Katie/MamaDep's recent addition to the post regarding cliques.
Honestly, I don't understand the big deal. I don't feel excluded when someone pages someone by name (therefore technically excluding all but that person from that post/part of the board) and I don't feel bad when someone posts about an EB, SB or SF gtg. (I will confess to being jealous that we don't have a super franks or a little star cafe, but that's about it).
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I didn't jump in the conversation yesterday.. but I'd like to...Our community is both a message board... and a real life
community... I think that's why it gets so hard/confusing to define how
we interact together here.
For some people... this board consists of mostly helpful "strangers" to come and chat with, vent with, get advice from, etc.
For others... this board is a community of friends... people you know and see regularly... not just on the board.
And
for others... its somewhere in the middle... many of us are friends...
even though we've never met at all... or only a few times.
I
can easily see how intimidating it can be for those who are new to the
board... or haven't had a chance to build relationships yet to feel
left out.
But I don't believe that's a reason for those who ARE "close" to make their relationships seem any "less" personal.
However,
I will add as an after thought... I DO think that they are often cases
of "private" conversations happening on this "public" board... and that
can't help either cause. I often wish those conversations were taken
offline.
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Sorry - I don't mean to start drama but it seems a little much to say that using the words "sacties" or "EB-ers" or "central valley nesties" or "Lodi - area nesties" is exclusionary.
For example: I don't think that Jewell meant to exclude anyone from her post about wanting to do a Lodi-area gtg. She just wants to meet people and make friends.
I don't think that April posting about a rez walk is exclusionary...I don't get my feelings hurt because I live 2 hours away and can't go (although I'd like to).
I don't think that Teri meant to be exclusionary by organizing a GTG in Tracy for the local nesties.
I don't think that the East Bay Nesties who are coordinating the pampering days are excluding anyone....
I can't speak for all of the "sacramento area nesties" when I say this but from my opinion, it's used for anyone who is interested in attending a gtg in our area.
Flame away....
No Flames here, but I am a "Sactie." I never take it personally or get offended when people in other areas organize group GTGs. I am usually jealous I can't go due to distance. Heck, I get jealous when I can't join the Sacties.
I didn't jump in the conversation yesterday.. but I'd like to...Our community is both a message board... and a real life community... I think that's why it gets so hard/confusing to define how we interact together here.
For some people... this board consists of mostly helpful "strangers" to come and chat with, vent with, get advice from, etc.
For others... this board is a community of friends... people you know and see regularly... not just on the board.
And for others... its somewhere in the middle... many of us are friends... even though we've never met at all... or only a few times.
I can easily see how intimidating it can be for those who are new to the board... or haven't had a chance to build relationships yet to feel left out.
But I don't believe that's a reason for those who ARE "close" to make their relationships seem any "less" personal.
However, I will add as an after thought... I DO think that they are often cases of "private" conversations happening on this "public" board... and that can't help either cause. I often wish those conversations were taken offline.
Sorry - I don't mean to start drama but it seems a little much to say that using the words "sacties" or "EB-ers" or "central valley nesties" or "Lodi - area nesties" is exclusionary.
For example: I don't think that Jewell meant to exclude anyone from her post about wanting to do a Lodi-area gtg. She just wants to meet people and make friends.
I don't think that April posting about a rez walk is exclusionary...I don't get my feelings hurt because I live 2 hours away and can't go (although I'd like to).
I don't think that Teri meant to be exclusionary by organizing a GTG in Tracy for the local nesties.
I don't think that the East Bay Nesties who are coordinating the pampering days are excluding anyone....
I can't speak for all of the "sacramento area nesties" when I say this but from my opinion, it's used for anyone who is interested in attending a gtg in our area.
Flame away....
I totally agree. I don't think this specific example is what people mean when they talk about the board being intimidating to join.
Sorry - I don't mean to start drama but it seems a little much to say that using the words "sacties" or "EB-ers" or "central valley nesties" or "Lodi - area nesties" is exclusionary.
For example: I don't think that Jewell meant to exclude anyone from her post about wanting to do a Lodi-area gtg. She just wants to meet people and make friends.
I don't think that April posting about a rez walk is exclusionary...I don't get my feelings hurt because I live 2 hours away and can't go (although I'd like to).
I don't think that Teri meant to be exclusionary by organizing a GTG in Tracy for the local nesties.
I don't think that the East Bay Nesties who are coordinating the pampering days are excluding anyone....
I can't speak for all of the "sacramento area nesties" when I say this but from my opinion, it's used for anyone who is interested in attending a gtg in our area.
Flame away....
I totally agree. I don't think this specific example is what people mean when they talk about the board being intimidating to join.
Yup, I agree, And I don't think you should even have to 'defend' yourself.
I didn't jump in the conversation yesterday.. but I'd like to...Our community is both a message board... and a real life community... I think that's why it gets so hard/confusing to define how we interact together here.
For some people... this board consists of mostly helpful "strangers" to come and chat with, vent with, get advice from, etc.
For others... this board is a community of friends... people you know and see regularly... not just on the board.
And for others... its somewhere in the middle... many of us are friends... even though we've never met at all... or only a few times.
I can easily see how intimidating it can be for those who are new to the board... or haven't had a chance to build relationships yet to feel left out.
But I don't believe that's a reason for those who ARE "close" to make their relationships seem any "less" personal.
However, I will add as an after thought... I DO think that they are often cases of "private" conversations happening on this "public" board... and that can't help either cause. I often wish those conversations were taken offline.
I'm jumping in rather late too. The whole issue - paging, names, cliques, etc. - baffles me. If you need to page a person, who cares what name is used? It's the person that you're trying to page that needs to see it & open it. If that person has the same name as a few other people, so be it. I don't mean to invalidate someone else's feelings, but I honestly don't get how that can make someone feel excluded.
I've been on the board for a while and the Nor Cal board even longer and I've met a number of you in person. But there are obviously a ton of people that I haven't met and probably won't now that I'm down here in So Cal. So I see all the GTG notices and I'm just plain jealous!! But clique-y? Nah.
I don't know, this whole thing just seems silly to me. If seeing name-posts & specific-area-GTG notices are going to make you feel "left out", I don't know - do your own post, start your own newbie GTG or something. If you lurk long enough around here, you'd see that the group is open to newcomers.
I'm going to chime in late. I saw the posts yesterday, but it was really late in the day and opted not to say anything.
I am new to this board, so don't have much context, but I personally don't think anyone is cliquish or exclusionary.
Do I think that several of you ladies have formed amazing and strong friendships both here and in real life? You bet.
Do I think that's exclusionary? No way. I think that is a huge draw to this board, and I can only hope that I have good friends one day, too.
I love the fact that you get together - whether its in Sacramento, Lodi, Walnut Creek, or wherever, that you know one another's name and genuinely care about people.
I don't really know anyone, and you don't know me. I just started posting here and am immensely shy, but that doesn't make me feel excluded. I sometimes feel like an outsider looking in, but not in a bad way, and it's only because I am new. It's not anyone's fault and the only way I change that is by participating and maybe - just maybe - getting up the gumption to join a GTG one day.
I actually do get this. I don't think it's meant in a bad way, more that where there are more SAHM's, there is a bigger likelihood of off the board friendships and GTG's. My fellow 'Northies' (ha) are all working girls. If we weren't, we'd probably GTG during the week, but as it is we rarely GTG so we haven't formed the really close friendships others on the board have with the girls geographically close to them.
And by working girls, I mean employed outside the home, not hookers.
I like it! I also like using people's names or nestie names. It does not matter to me. I guess I am not that sensitive. I just figure if people use people's IRL names, it means that they have met them and feel a bond with them. I think that is special. It is hard at this point in most people's lives to make new friends. I really think this board has helped people met other people that normally would never have crossed paths. I am happy for those who have made life long friends here. It is natural to gravitate towards people who are physically closer to you or those who you have the most in common with. If anyone should feel left out, it should be me all the way out in NY but I don't. I feel very much a part of the group. I am welcomed when I come in town and very grateful for all the wonderful people that I have met.
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Another reason I never said anything... but, I think it's deifferent because it uses a part of the word "Nesties". Trust me, I've tried to think of something cute like that for EBers too, but came up with nothing
?
I'm not saying you should stop using it. I'm just saying that term helped me see how certain names used can feel exclusionary. That's all!?
Some areas seem to have more SAHM.
*I* have no doubt that you are a very welcoming group, but I know you guys! Not everyone is so lucky. ?
I musta missed something here, is this a spinoff question of yesterday ??
* running from the computer * !!
Where is this coming from? Is this all part of the whole first name and clique thing? Did someone say the Sacties are ultra cliquey or something? Oh Lordy.
I said that I didn't see where people were coming from when they said certain names are exclusionary (since I have been on that side of the coin before!), until the "Sactie" term came out. I didn't say it to start anything...just demonstrating that I could see both points. ?
Sorry - I don't mean to start drama but it seems a little much to say that using the words "sacties" or "EB-ers" or "central valley nesties" or "Lodi - area nesties" is exclusionary.
For example: I don't think that Jewell meant to exclude anyone from her post about wanting to do a Lodi-area gtg. She just wants to meet people and make friends.
I don't think that April posting about a rez walk is exclusionary...I don't get my feelings hurt because I live 2 hours away and can't go (although I'd like to).
I don't think that Teri meant to be exclusionary by organizing a GTG in Tracy for the local nesties.
I don't think that the East Bay Nesties who are coordinating the pampering days are excluding anyone....
I can't speak for all of the "sacramento area nesties" when I say this but from my opinion, it's used for anyone who is interested in attending a gtg in our area.
Flame away....
I had to go back to see where this came from. It appears to be responsive to Katie/MamaDep's recent addition to the post regarding cliques.
Honestly, I don't understand the big deal. I don't feel excluded when someone pages someone by name (therefore technically excluding all but that person from that post/part of the board) and I don't feel bad when someone posts about an EB, SB or SF gtg. (I will confess to being jealous that we don't have a super franks or a little star cafe, but that's about it).
I didn't jump in the conversation yesterday.. but I'd like to...Our community is both a message board... and a real life community... I think that's why it gets so hard/confusing to define how we interact together here.
For some people... this board consists of mostly helpful "strangers" to come and chat with, vent with, get advice from, etc.
For others... this board is a community of friends... people you know and see regularly... not just on the board.
And for others... its somewhere in the middle... many of us are friends... even though we've never met at all... or only a few times.
I can easily see how intimidating it can be for those who are new to the board... or haven't had a chance to build relationships yet to feel left out.
But I don't believe that's a reason for those who ARE "close" to make their relationships seem any "less" personal.
However, I will add as an after thought... I DO think that they are often cases of "private" conversations happening on this "public" board... and that can't help either cause. I often wish those conversations were taken offline.No Flames here, but I am a "Sactie." I never take it personally or get offended when people in other areas organize group GTGs. I am usually jealous I can't go due to distance. Heck, I get jealous when I can't join the Sacties.
There is certainly an easy fix to this - just add '-ies' to any geographical area:
Easties
Northies
Southies
Pennies (for Peninsula girls)
:-)
Ha! Love it! "Problem" solved
I totally agree. I don't think this specific example is what people mean when they talk about the board being intimidating to join.
Yup, I agree, And I don't think you should even have to 'defend' yourself.
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GRRRRRRRRR....I find this whole thing so incredibly frustrating especially as when I put Ebayers I am opening up to anyone here not trying to exclude.
I couldn't agree more.
I'm jumping in rather late too. The whole issue - paging, names, cliques, etc. - baffles me. If you need to page a person, who cares what name is used? It's the person that you're trying to page that needs to see it & open it. If that person has the same name as a few other people, so be it. I don't mean to invalidate someone else's feelings, but I honestly don't get how that can make someone feel excluded.
I've been on the board for a while and the Nor Cal board even longer and I've met a number of you in person. But there are obviously a ton of people that I haven't met and probably won't now that I'm down here in So Cal. So I see all the GTG notices and I'm just plain jealous!! But clique-y? Nah.
I don't know, this whole thing just seems silly to me. If seeing name-posts & specific-area-GTG notices are going to make you feel "left out", I don't know - do your own post, start your own newbie GTG or something. If you lurk long enough around here, you'd see that the group is open to newcomers.
Bah. I think I have my b!tchy pants on today.
I'm here, I'm loud, I'm a Sactie and I'm proud!
I'm going to chime in late. I saw the posts yesterday, but it was really late in the day and opted not to say anything.
I am new to this board, so don't have much context, but I personally don't think anyone is cliquish or exclusionary.
Do I think that several of you ladies have formed amazing and strong friendships both here and in real life? You bet.
Do I think that's exclusionary? No way. I think that is a huge draw to this board, and I can only hope that I have good friends one day, too.
I love the fact that you get together - whether its in Sacramento, Lodi, Walnut Creek, or wherever, that you know one another's name and genuinely care about people.
I don't really know anyone, and you don't know me. I just started posting here and am immensely shy, but that doesn't make me feel excluded. I sometimes feel like an outsider looking in, but not in a bad way, and it's only because I am new. It's not anyone's fault and the only way I change that is by participating and maybe - just maybe - getting up the gumption to join a GTG one day.
Back to your regular nesting...
This! Although I still usually open the post so I can be jealous of what all the Sac girls are doing.
My point exactly. I know that I LOVE it when any of the nesties come up this way...and in fact, try to coordinate a GTG so that we can meet them too.
I have nothing but love for this board and by no means meant to hurt anyone's feelings....or cause drama.
I actually do get this. I don't think it's meant in a bad way, more that where there are more SAHM's, there is a bigger likelihood of off the board friendships and GTG's. My fellow 'Northies' (ha) are all working girls. If we weren't, we'd probably GTG during the week, but as it is we rarely GTG so we haven't formed the really close friendships others on the board have with the girls geographically close to them.
And by working girls, I mean employed outside the home, not hookers.
East Siiiiiiide!! {throwing up my appropriate finger gestures}
Seriously cute idea though, B.
LOL!
And if there was a smiley for scratching head I'd use that one too.