So where does the "South" start?

windycitygigi · February 2009

I'm in Chicago, but I grew up in Indiana.

People in Chicago consider Indiana "the South" because of the accents, KKK members, Miracle Whip sales, sweet tea at McDonalds, HUGE Baptist Churches: you know, all the usual indicators.

I would consider anything South of US 24 "The South." So, a lot of Indiana, Illinios, DEFINATELY Missouri, but not all of Ohio and Penn.

What do Southerners think?

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sare_bear · February 2009

The Mason Dixon line. Indiana is north, and the KKK does not belong here, thanks. They have been gone since the 60s

jenerally · February 2009

I don't think Indiana is the south. It's midwest to me.

jwpbride · February 2009

Umm... I would say Mason-Dixon line, but I, personally, don't consider Virginia and WV "The South". I'm weird, though.

sare_bear · February 2009

jenerally:
I don't think Indiana is the south. It's midwest to me.

That's true. We are mid-west. But most southerners consider us "north" unless they are truely West or East.

SouthernBellelovesaYankee · February 2009

Anything below Kentucky.

windycitygigi · February 2009

The KKK was founded in Indiana. ?They are very much still there. ?They marched in Bloomington in 2006 and in Gary in 2007.

My whole family still lives in Indiana. ?I would definately consider their lifestyle more Southern than Northern. ?Big families, lots of old church women around blessing everyone's hearts, and a much less hurried lifestyle.

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Soap1 · February 2009

Kentucky is in the South too, and my grandparents would kick your butt if they heard you say any different.

Mistyl · February 2009

The south starts at the Mason Dixon Line. However... there is a huge difference between the south and the deep south!

jwpbride · February 2009

For the record, it makes me want to slit my wrists that the KKK is part of any discussion about the south- like it determines what is the south or not.

KKK =/= the South.

They may be here, but they are NOT the south.

k_leigh_d · February 2009

BlairWaldorf · February 2009

I do not think of WV or VA as Southern, but Kentucky is.

Indiana is not, IMO.

sare_bear · February 2009

windycitygigi:

The KKK was founded in Indiana. They are very much still there. They marched in Bloomington in 2006 and in Gary in 2007.

My whole family still lives in Indiana. I would definately consider their lifestyle more Southern than Northern. Big families, lots of old church women around blessing everyone's hearts, and a much less hurried lifestyle.

I'm in Bloomington, they didn't march here in 2006. I'm pretty sure the whole town would've been PISSED.

pixidust360 · February 2009

If your state has ever been Confederate, it is the south.

TiffanyHenning · February 2009

Ahhh yes nothing makes my day like a kkk debate

LillyBug923 · February 2009

Wait a minute!! Not all McD's have sweet tea?..... I am blessed to be from the South.

windycitygigi · February 2009

And I didn't mean to imply that all Southerners are KKK members or that they support them at all. ?I probably could have done a better job wording my descriptions.

Both North and South have possitive and negative images associated with them. ?I appologize for offfending any Southerners with the association.

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sweetfern · February 2009

jwpbride:
For the record, it makes me want to slit my wrists that the KKK is part of any discussion about the south- like it determines what is the south or not.

KKK =/= the South.

They may be here, but they are NOT the south.

Agreed, regardless of where you live and you can't base whether or not its the south based on if there's KKK. Unfortunately, they are alive and well here in PA. I have been witness to one of their 'marches'...very disturbing to say the least.

pixidust360 · February 2009

There is also a difference between "country living" and being from the south. All small country towns have some type of these things in any state. I stand by my claim that if your state was a part of the confederacy at some point, you are probably a southerner.

windycitygigi · February 2009

And I will correct myself: they didn't march on Bloomington, home of my beloved alma matter. ?They peppered the town with flyers and attempted to march but were shut down.

https://www.associatedcontent.com/article/99443/the_kkk_is_invading_bloomington_indiana.html

https://www.splcenter.org/blog/2006/12/13/klan-activity-escalates-in-bloomington/?

rssnlvr · February 2009

I think that makes people in Chicago sound like ignorant, fucktarded dip_shits.

jonsdeedee · February 2009

the mason dixon line

faith_urz4eva · February 2009

LillyBug923:
Wait a minute!! Not all McD's have sweet tea?..... I am blessed to be from the South.

Us "westerners" don't even know what Sweat Tee is!! :-) Are we missing something, and how do I get my hands on some!!

jwpbride · February 2009

windycitygigi:

I appologize for offfending any Southerners with the association.

Oh you didn't offend me! It's just that I know that's the image of the South that a lot of people have- and probably will always have (considering the only mainstream exposure SC gets is similar to the Family Guy episode where they were in the WPP- people dating their sisters, the KKK, banjos.... hehe)- it just makes me sad! haha

margeincharge2 · February 2009

I lived in Chicago for a long time and my DH is from there. I've never heard anyone there say Indiana is considered the south. My DH has an irrational aversion to anything southern (which bugs me) but he's a city boy. Anyway, he considers anything south of the mason dixon line the south. So do I.

So Indiana would not fall in that category. It's the midwest. By your description of Indiana being like the south, there's a whole lot of downstate Illinois that also fall into that category. Is downstate Illinois the South too? And for that matter, parts of Ohio too? There's the KKK in all of those states too, unfortunately. It doesn't make it southern. I think you might be confusing a rural/urban distinction with north versus south.

Nicole Williams · February 2009

I would just like to say I live in Arizona and we have sweet tea at our McDonald's.

irys09 · February 2009

LillyBug923:
Wait a minute!! Not all McD's have sweet tea?..... I am blessed to be from the South.

Weird.. I'm in NY and our McD's have sweet tea. It's great!

LillyBug923 · February 2009

faith_urz4eva:

LillyBug923:
Wait a minute!! Not all McD's have sweet tea?..... I am blessed to be from the South.

Us "westerners" don't even know what Sweat Tee is!! :-) Are we missing something, and how do I get my hands on some!!

According to my g-ma, it's AT LEAST a cup of sugar (probably 2) per pitcher of tea. Enjoy!

TiffanyHenning · February 2009

We do not have sweet tea

We only have a surplus of boob jobs.

LillyBug923 · February 2009

TiffanyHenning:
We do not have sweet tea We only have a surplus of boob jobs.

California is now off my list of places I could potentially live.

mrslinde · February 2009

windycitygigi:

I'm in Chicago, but I grew up in Indiana.

People in Chicago consider Indiana "the South" because of the accents, KKK members, Miracle Whip sales, sweet tea at McDonalds, HUGE Baptist Churches: you know, all the usual indicators.

I would consider anything South of US 24 "The South." So, a lot of Indiana, Illinios, DEFINATELY Missouri, but not all of Ohio and Penn.

What do Southerners think?

I'm from MO; DH from MI calls us from the south...but he changed his mind when we moved to southern MO for awhile.......we both agree bootheel = southern, but St. Louis and NW area = not south. All depends on perspective....but I DEFINITELY don't agree with the "MO definitely" idea.

LillyBug923 · February 2009

mrslinde:
windycitygigi:

I'm in Chicago, but I grew up in Indiana.

People in Chicago consider Indiana "the South" because of the accents, KKK members, Miracle Whip sales, sweet tea at McDonalds, HUGE Baptist Churches: you know, all the usual indicators.

I would consider anything South of US 24 "The South." So, a lot of Indiana, Illinios, DEFINATELY Missouri, but not all of Ohio and Penn.

What do Southerners think?

I'm from MO; DH from MI calls us from the south...but he changed his mind when we moved to southern MO for awhile.......we both agree bootheel = southern, but St. Louis and NW area = not south. All depends on perspective....but I DEFINITELY don't agree with the "MO definitely" idea.

I think MO is split in 1/2 as well, Southern MO is "southern" and Northern Mo isn't. It's like 2 different worlds. Seriously.

mrslinde · February 2009

LillyBug923:
mrslinde:
windycitygigi:

I'm in Chicago, but I grew up in Indiana.

People in Chicago consider Indiana "the South" because of the accents, KKK members, Miracle Whip sales, sweet tea at McDonalds, HUGE Baptist Churches: you know, all the usual indicators.

I would consider anything South of US 24 "The South." So, a lot of Indiana, Illinios, DEFINATELY Missouri, but not all of Ohio and Penn.

What do Southerners think?

I'm from MO; DH from MI calls us from the south...but he changed his mind when we moved to southern MO for awhile.......we both agree bootheel = southern, but St. Louis and NW area = not south. All depends on perspective....but I DEFINITELY don't agree with the "MO definitely" idea.

I think MO is split in 1/2 as well, Southern MO is "southern" and Northern Mo isn't. It's like 2 different worlds. Seriously.

you are exactly right...thanks!

grinsandgiggles · February 2009

lol I am from Ohio...which is right next to Indiana. Now come on people, seriously? It's right on the lake!

As for sweet tea...our McDonald's has it, so it's not just a southern thing.

jolis_petits_bijoux · February 2009

I think where the South "starts" (culturally!) varies depending on region. I think that on the eastern seaboard, it starts around DC. In the midwest, it starts a bit further north.

I formerly lived in northwest Indiana for a year. Though not technically the South (ie Mason-Dixon line), in Indiana, anything immediately north of Indianapolis, and everything southward, is considered "southern". Culture in central & southern Indiana is much different than northern Indiana. Central and southern Indiana residents have a thick southern accent, which is proof enough for me!

SWMcFarland · February 2009

mrslinde:
windycitygigi:

I'm in Chicago, but I grew up in Indiana.

People in Chicago consider Indiana "the South" because of the accents, KKK members, Miracle Whip sales, sweet tea at McDonalds, HUGE Baptist Churches: you know, all the usual indicators.

I would consider anything South of US 24 "The South." So, a lot of Indiana, Illinios, DEFINATELY Missouri, but not all of Ohio and Penn.

What do Southerners think?

I'm from MO; DH from MI calls us from the south...but he changed his mind when we moved to southern MO for awhile.......we both agree bootheel = southern, but St. Louis and NW area = not south. All depends on perspective....but I DEFINITELY don't agree with the "MO definitely" idea.

I too am originally from Missouri, and I would definitely not consider it the south. I always say I am a Midwesterner, and that Missouri is in the Midwest. Definitely not NW Mo, KC, STL, etc.

manic mama · February 2009

As someone from The First State (and obviously you all are up on your geography and history, so I'll let you know that means Delaware), Delaware is one of the anomalies in that the Mason/Dixie does run through and there are definite trends of both north and south.

I also have family in maryland and that's where my grandfather is from so we have a lot of things like sweet tea, very rich foods and we use the word "y'all." I do believe that Del fought in the Union as a whole.

And, just for the record, the KKK started in Tennessee and there may be a branch of it headquartered in Indiana, but there are many forms and by and large the HQs are in Alabama, Arkansas, Texas. These would be southern states for the uninformed.

However, I don't think "oh, the South, yeah, the KKK." I think, "mmmm... Waffle House. I'll take mine covered."

manic mama · February 2009

Oh, and I meant to add that Delaware has the KKK who sometimes march (and sometimes only attempt to march) on Main Street in Newark, a college town which is not so much open to it. This chapter is based in Elkton, Md., however. There are also skinheads everywhere, so I tend not to make the distinction between those two groups since they both thrive on hate.

That is, I don't think one is worse than the other because of the region they're from. I tend to think there is, unfortunately, hate everywhere, so why focus on one place.

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