Trevon Martin question

beachgirl1977

I have watched coverage of the trial and news reports but I am still unsure of something and not looking to start a huge debate.  I see there is a movement to create a federal civil case and I am not sure what makes this civil rights.   When I think of civil rights I think of equal voting rights, discrimination, deprecate schools, etc.   while the ca is very sad, what part is a civil rights case.   Would all murder/ manslaughter be civil rights.    It does not seem that Zimmerman was targeting Martin because of his race.   He was unsure of h is race on the 911 call.  Ident just a sad situation that shouldn't have happened?  Would all cases of murder that are found not guilty go to a civil rights case? 

Smootchy

I could be way off but I thought it going to a civil suit just meant Trayvon's parents could sue for like pain and suffering or something
Eta: reading fail on my part. Sorry I'm unaware of what you speak of

Nechie122

Not "civil rights" the way you're thinking of them. Hate crime.

Hate crime.

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nancy30005

This obviously isn't MUD, but think about it, OP. 

Think.  

LuckyDad

chapski:

I could be way off but I thought it going to a civil suit just meant Trayvon's parents could sue for like pain and suffering or something
Eta: reading fail on my part. Sorry I'm unaware of what you speak of

NPR was saying the bar us super high and the cases that have been won were white supremacist types. I will be surprised if there is a case brought forth.

acaudill75

lasposa425:

kiraliz2:

chapski:

I could be way off but I thought it going to a civil suit just meant Trayvon's parents could sue for like pain and suffering or something

civil trial and civil rights trial aren't the same thing.

This. TM's parents could bring a civil suit against GZ, most like for wrongful death, but it's not likely they can or will pursue that route if GZ is granted immunity under Florida's horrible stand your ground law. The civil rights suit would be based on GZ targeting TM because of his race. The bar to bring such civil rights cases is pretty high but the investigation is currently under way. There's no doubt in my mind that GZ targeted TM solely because of his race.

Zimmerman didn't make a Stand Your Ground a part of his defense.

acaudill75

Scout2005:

acaudill75:

lasposa425:

kiraliz2:

chapski:

I could be way off but I thought it going to a civil suit just meant Trayvon's parents could sue for like pain and suffering or something

civil trial and civil rights trial aren't the same thing.

This. TM's parents could bring a civil suit against GZ, most like for wrongful death, but it's not likely they can or will pursue that route if GZ is granted immunity under Florida's horrible stand your ground law. The civil rights suit would be based on GZ targeting TM because of his race. The bar to bring such civil rights cases is pretty high but the investigation is currently under way. There's no doubt in my mind that GZ targeted TM solely because of his race.

Zimmerman didn't make a Stand Your Ground a part of his defense.

It was given to the jury during instructions.

I was under the impression that wording similar yo it was used, but the actual stand your ground law was not used as part of his defense. I could be wrong, but I heard form multiple sources on tv. Which probably means nothing. I didn't watch the trial, so...

beachgirl1977

He used self defense not stand your ground. Also, what evidence is there gz targeted because if race? Other than tm was black? This is the part I am missing. Are people just assuming because tm was black and gz wasn't. I am not sure if I missed something?

missyishere

beachgirl1977:

He used self defense not stand your ground. Also, what evidence is there gz targeted because if race? Other than tm was black? This is the part I am missing. Are people just assuming because tm was black and gz wasn't. I am not sure if I missed something?

Here's the dispatch transcript: https://misterbillohno.newsvine.com/_news/2013/07/10/19392176transcriptofgeorgezimmerman911call

missymo

You have been following the case, but think his name is Trevon? mmmmkay. 

ETA: okay, other's already pointed that out.  Never mind me.   

beachgirl1977

I read the transcript. He was asked what he looked like.

missymo

beachgirl1977:I read the transcript. He was asked what he looked like. 

And why was he on the phone with the cops in the first place? Because he saw a black person committing the crime of walking.  Ooooh.  So suspicious.   

If you think that Zimmerman would have called the cops if a white boy was walking along with his hoodie up then you are out of your ever loving mind.    

Trayvon was doing nothing wrong and was not "suspicious".  Zimmerman decided he was suspicious because he was a black person walking in the rain.  And you wonder if race is involved? Seriously?  

CinemaGoddess

Juror B37?

Is that you? 

Smootchy

CinemaGoddess:

Juror B37?

Is that you? 

ok. That's seriously funny. 

acaudill75

I hate to bring up BB15 in this b*tch, but ... Just to illustrate the fact tha racism still exists, watch the first weeks on BB15. And these people are saying all this knowing they are being filmed.

shadypines

Bye girl!!

acaudill75

Scout2005:

acaudill75:

Scout2005:

acaudill75:

lasposa425:

kiraliz2:

chapski:

I was under the impression that wording similar yo it was used, but the actual stand your ground law was not used as part of his defense. I could be wrong, but I heard form multiple sources on tv. Which probably means nothing. I didn't watch the trial, so...

It was specifically laid out in jury instructions, even though it was not part of his defense teams strategy. And as PP said, a juror has admitted to using it in her decision process.

So, if you don't use insanity as part of your defense, the judge can still instruct the jury to use the elements of the insanity defense while deliberating? That makes absolutely no sense.

If he didn't use the defense of SYG, why was it brought up during jury instructions? As I said, I didn't watch the trial, so I assuming you did, and know if there was a reason the judge did this.