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EmeJay

EmeJay

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

Golferbee

I'm a pro choice republican. 

Golferbee

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

 

I would be 100 percent for this too. I would want to be able to have that choice if it were my body in that position. 

EmeJay

NariaDreaming:

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

I wish I lived where you live. I'd be 100% for it as well. Watching my father die and being unable to legally do anything to end his suffering was the most painful experience of my life. His death took over 6  hours from the point where he had a heart attack and when he finally died. 6 hours of watching him struggle to breathe, unable to talk, turning purple, and thrashing... and all we could do was offer him his regularly scheduled morphine to try and ease the pain until he finally died. 

Oh sh!t Naria, I'm so verry sorry.

EmeJay

krptcmschfmkr128:

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

I'll disagree, but only because I don't like those standards. Anyone should be able to choose, regardless of the severity of their condition. If a person is diagnosed with, say, Alzheimer's, and would like to end it before the condition gets too debilitating, they should be allowed. They shouldn't have to wait until the condition gets to the point that they can't remember how to use the bathroom (extreme case), because by that point, they wouldn't remember their wishes. And that's just one case.  If a person is diagnosed with a severe form of cancer that is treatable but has a low survival rate, doesn't want to go through all the treatments, they should be allowed to pass before they get to the point of "no return", etc etc etc.

 

ETA: I guess I mean I'm for it, I just wish it weren't so stringent.

I do agree with your point, although without a strict set of rules the bill would likely never pass. 

My step-father died of a very agressive cancer and once it was diagnosed that he would 100% die of it, he was place in a long-term health facility. He was suposed to have 3 weeks left but it took 5 months before he died. This was absolutely heart-wrenching to see him be less of himself everyday especially when there is a point of no-return. 

EmeJay

jessa8907:

I truly believe that having children should be a privilege, not a right, and that everyone who wants to be a parent should be required to pass a test and receive a license.

Which is funny because I also don't like big government. I might be a contradiction. 

But on what would you base that test? There are a lot of people who turn their lifes upside down when they have kids, while there are great intelligent people who do crazy stuff.

Google Guy Turcotte in Quebec. Doctor well loved by everyone who killed his 2 kids. 

beckynsean11

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

I'm sure you'll get plenty of people who disagree, but I 100% agree with you. I have watch people suffer until they died & it was horrible. It also left their family with ridiculous medical bills.  

beckynsean11

EmeJay:

NariaDreaming:

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

I wish I lived where you live. I'd be 100% for it as well. Watching my father die and being unable to legally do anything to end his suffering was the most painful experience of my life. His death took over 6  hours from the point where he had a heart attack and when he finally died. 6 hours of watching him struggle to breathe, unable to talk, turning purple, and thrashing... and all we could do was offer him his regularly scheduled morphine to try and ease the pain until he finally died. 

Oh sh!t Naria, I'm so verry sorry.

Naria, I'm so sorry your family had to go through that. 

jaytee16

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

Couldn't agree more.  Naria & Eme - I'm sorry for what you both went through, that sounds heart wrenching.  

beckynsean11

GhostMonkey:

My coworker is thrilled that a family member that coded on Monday and was in a coma woke up yesterday. He has very aggressive cancer that they can't get under control and he has stated he's ready to be done and the paramedics ignored his DNR. She's super happy that he's still here and fighting.

I wouldn't be thrilled. I'd be ticked.

 

As much as I'd want my family around, I think respecting their wishes is more important. I think it's despicable to disregard a DNR.  

beckynsean11

EmeJay:

I do agree with your point, although without a strict set of rules the bill would likely never pass. 

My step-father died of a very agressive cancer and once it was diagnosed that he would 100% die of it, he was place in a long-term health facility. He was suposed to have 3 weeks left but it took 5 months before he died. This was absolutely heart-wrenching to see him be less of himself everyday especially when there is a point of no-return. 

I agree, I wish it wasn't quite so strict, but it's the only way to get it passed.

Eme, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. At some point it's inhumane to force someone to suffer that way. 

beckynsean11

Here's mine & based on the which boards to you stalk thread, I guess it's UO: I have zero desire to have a natural birth. I fully intend on having an epidural unless there is a medical reason why I can't.

EmeJay

GhostMonkey:

My coworker is thrilled that a family member that coded on Monday and was in a coma woke up yesterday. He has very aggressive cancer that they can't get under control and he has stated he's ready to be done and the paramedics ignored his DNR. She's super happy that he's still here and fighting.

I wouldn't be thrilled. I'd be ticked.

 

What happens when a DNR is not respected? 

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I don't get the fascination with Harry (that's his name right?) from New Direction. I don't find him attractive in any sort of way. He looks too young for me to be interested in.

*takes cover*

 

EmeJay

jessa8907:

beckynsean11:

Here's mine & based on the which boards to you stalk thread, I guess it's UO: I have zero desire to have a natural birth. I fully intend on having an epidural unless there is a medical reason why I can't.

I would just like to say that I don't judge anyone who wants an epidural (even though I would very much like to have a natural birth). Who knows, I might end up shouting for one in the middle of labor because I just can't handle it.  

To each their own on this subject. I really just hate the smug mothers who feel so superior because they had a natural birth.

mcatmay

<zips flame retardant suit> 

I DO NOT understand the need to own a gun. I don't understand the rabid love of guns in our culture and the pride there comes with being an american and owning a gun. If it were up to me, all gun ownership would be outlawed. Because i live in the real world, i understand this will never, ever happen but would really like better gun regulation. The latest Institute of Medicine report outlines that firearms are a huge portion of young adult death - and yet we still refuse to do anything about it (the whole report's fascinating, including how badly we fare on infant and maternal mortality, for the TTGP related portion of this):

https://iom.edu/Reports/2013/US-Health-in-International-Perspective-Shorter-Lives-Poorer-Health/Report-Brief010913 

My DH was in the military for 9 years and this is our one point of contention where neither one of us can get the other to agree. He wants one for the house for self-protection and i will not budge on this one thing (i told him he could get a taser).  

<steps in fire-protective bubble> Let the flaming begin  

mcatmay

thekikimonster:

I'm making mine about pets, goddammit!

I think it is beyond fccked up when people refuse to put their ailing pets down because it is too hard for them to have to do. You made the commitment to your take care of your pet and can put an end to their suffering when things get very very bad. I had a neighbor who kept her dog alive until he got down to 45 pounds (originally 90) and could no longer move on his own. When that happened, she still waited a few days hoping he would pass on his own. The poor thing was clearly in a ton of pain for a long amount of time and I think she was a total assshole for making him suffer just because she couldn't go through with putting him down.

 Two thumbs up. If i could shout from the rooftops what you've just said, i would. It was one of the things that broke my heart the most as a clinical veterinarian. I have spent a lot of time explaining the pros and cons of euthanasia to people. I will say that, with time and a lot of explanation, most people do come around - but it does take a LOT of time on the veterinarian's part, which is often in short supply.  

greengirl0909

jessa8907:

EmeJay:

jessa8907:

I truly believe that having children should be a privilege, not a right, and that everyone who wants to be a parent should be required to pass a test and receive a license.

Which is funny because I also don't like big government. I might be a contradiction. 

But on what would you base that test? There are a lot of people who turn their lifes upside down when they have kids, while there are great intelligent people who do crazy stuff.

Google Guy Turcotte in Quebec. Doctor well loved by everyone who killed his 2 kids. 

I totally agree with you. I'm not really sure how to go about giving an accurate test. I just think with the way it stands now so many kids are hurt (be it physically, mentally, or emotionally) by irresponsible parents. Many are used as weapons in divorce or as pawns to manipulate a partner. It just breaks my heart and I wish there was a better way. 

ETA: I also wanted to add that I'm definitely not for sterilization of individuals who couldn't pass this imaginary test that will probably never exist because it would be very hard to reinforce. 

I agree with the sentiment of increased accountability for parents, but plenty of "normal" folks end up in a place they don't recognize themselves when they go through the divorce process. No way to predict that. I do wish there were a way to address the issue of being financially capable of providing for a child, but I don't know how to make that happen.

beckynsean11

EmeJay:

jessa8907:

beckynsean11:

Here's mine & based on the which boards to you stalk thread, I guess it's UO: I have zero desire to have a natural birth. I fully intend on having an epidural unless there is a medical reason why I can't.

I would just like to say that I don't judge anyone who wants an epidural (even though I would very much like to have a natural birth). Who knows, I might end up shouting for one in the middle of labor because I just can't handle it.  

To each their own on this subject. I really just hate the smug mothers who feel so superior because they had a natural birth.

Luckily the friends of mine who have had a natural birth have also had an epidural for their subsequent births, they don't give me that attitude. I have gotten it from other women, though. 

 

beckynsean11

thekikimonster:

I'm making mine about pets, goddammit!

I think it is beyond fccked up when people refuse to put their ailing pets down because it is too hard for them to have to do. You made the commitment to your take care of your pet and can put an end to their suffering when things get very very bad. I had a neighbor who kept her dog alive until he got down to 45 pounds (originally 90) and could no longer move on his own. When that happened, she still waited a few days hoping he would pass on his own. The poor thing was clearly in a ton of pain for a long amount of time and I think she was a total assshole for making him suffer just because she couldn't go through with putting him down.

The decision to put down a pet is one of the hardest ones I've ever had to make. It's still the right thing to do. The end. 

mamathefox

NariaDreaming:

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

I wish I lived where you live. I'd be 100% for it as well. Watching my father die and being unable to legally do anything to end his suffering was the most painful experience of my life. His death took over 6  hours from the point where he had a heart attack and when he finally died. 6 hours of watching him struggle to breathe, unable to talk, turning purple, and thrashing... and all we could do was offer him his regularly scheduled morphine to try and ease the pain until he finally died. 

I cannot even....I am SO sorry  

TeeJ526

fuzzylogic:

I think saying that people need to be able to pass a test or prove financial capabilities in order to have a child makes you sound incredibly entitled.

I can understand that. I do have to say that sometimes I get very annoyed when I see people with multiple children and it's so obvious that they cannot afford them. 

greengirl0909

jessa8907:

fuzzylogic:

I think saying that people need to be able to pass a test or prove financial capabilities in order to have a child makes you sound incredibly entitled.

I'm not the one who wanted to prove financial capabilities. Financial stability has very little to do with how you parent a child.

And I'm guessing you have never witnessed an instance where someone is just a godawful person with 4+ kids that they use for their own benefit. 

Entitled huh? I don't feel that way. I care for kids.  I feel like I see kids every day in crap situations. I feel like I see CPS give parents chances over and over again based upon the idea that they just need "financial support," when to me, the issue is much bigger. 

sueann911

GhostMonkey:

EmeJay:

GhostMonkey:

My coworker is thrilled that a family member that coded on Monday and was in a coma woke up yesterday. He has very aggressive cancer that they can't&nbsp;get under control and he has stated he's ready to be done&nbsp;and the paramedics ignored his DNR. She's super happy that he's still here and fighting.

I wouldn't be thrilled. I'd be ticked.

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What happens when a DNR is not respected?&nbsp;

I believe once they start live saving efforts, they can't undo them. Once he was intubated, they won't take that out just because of the DNR.

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Yes and no. They will stop CPR but I don't know if they will take out the tube.

I'm here to defend the medics and correct GM's original statement. If the family did not tell the medics about the DNR, then you can't blame them at all.

When we receive a call from a family and they indicate the patient has a terminal disease, we ask if there is a DNR. Then we tell them to find the paperwork and give it to the paramedics immediately. Just saying to the medics, he is DNR means nothing to them. They will not obey that verbal comman until they get the paperwork in hand.

But like GM said, if he is already intubated, they're likely not going to take the tube out and cease efforts at that moment.

That really sucks for the patient, GM.

But, I can't really blame the family either. The shock of that final moment is too much for some people even when they think they've been preparing for it. I can't tell you how many family members call 911 and we instruct CPR and they won't tell us about the DNR or terminal diagnosis and try to avoid telling the medics too in hope that they can save the patient.

greengirl0909

fuzzylogic:

TeeJ526:

fuzzylogic:

I think saying that people need to be able to pass a test or prove financial capabilities in order to have a child makes you sound incredibly entitled.

I can understand that. I do have to say that sometimes I get very annoyed when I see people with multiple children and it's so obvious that they cannot afford them. 

But there are plenty of parents who can "afford" their children but treat them like crap. Or they work all the time. Or they're alcoholics. Etc., etc., etc.

I was a poor kid. So were most of my friends. We are all doing just fine and for the most part, we had great parents. H was raised in an affluent family and his dad was an alcoholic and his parents fought all the time.

I also have plenty of students whose parents are not financially well-off but they are great kids with great heads on their shoulders. Just because the parent doesn't have a high-paying job, it doesn't mean that the child isn't loved and supported at home.  

Of course it isn't always a given, I too know some kids in terrible situations not related to money. However, when parents can't provide their kids basic needs, and aren't making any efforts to do so, to me that's a problem with your parenting. 

I grew up poor too, but I always knew my parents were doing every thing they could to get our basics covered, and they too were going without. Eventually, things got better for us.  If you can't provide food for your kids, you are not having success as a parent. I'm glad to help if you are helping yourself, but many of the families I work with are not. It's super frustrating.

TeeJ526

fuzzylogic:

TeeJ526:

fuzzylogic:

I think saying that people need to be able to pass a test or prove financial capabilities in order to have a child makes you sound incredibly entitled.

I can understand that. I do have to say that sometimes I get very annoyed when I see people with multiple children and it's so obvious that they cannot afford them. 

But there are plenty of parents who can "afford" their children but treat them like crap. Or they work all the time. Or they're alcoholics. Etc., etc., etc.

I was a poor kid. So were most of my friends. We are all doing just fine and for the most part, we had great parents. H was raised in an affluent family and his dad was an alcoholic and his parents fought all the time.

I also have plenty of students whose parents are not financially well-off but they are great kids with great heads on their shoulders. Just because the parent doesn't have a high-paying job, it doesn't mean that the child isn't loved and supported at home.  

Understood. My parents were far from well off as well. I'm not saying that people need to submit their income and go through some sort of approval process in order to have children. There are plenty of people out there, myself included, that are not wealthy, but know that my future child will be taken care of to the best of my ability mentally, emotionally, and financially. I'm speaking of people who continue to have children knowing they can't afford them and because of that, the child suffers. Forgive me if the way I'm saying doesn't come across properly, but I'm speaking from what I've seen growing up.

hwkeyebrideinstl

beckynsean11:

Here's mine & based on the which boards to you stalk thread, I guess it's UO: I have zero desire to have a natural birth. I fully intend on having an epidural unless there is a medical reason why I can't.

I find this not at all unpopular. I feel the same way. My mom had epidurals for her first two (my older sister and brother), and didn't with me since there was no time (I was born during a blizzard, had to wait awhile for the doctor to get there, umbilical cord wrapped around my neck). She told me it was absolutely crazy to not have one.

Mjmksb04

greengirl0909:

jessa8907:

fuzzylogic:

I think saying that people need to be able to pass a test or prove financial capabilities in order to have a child makes you sound incredibly entitled.

I'm not the one who wanted to prove financial capabilities. Financial stability has very little to do with how you parent a child.

And I'm guessing you have never witnessed an instance where someone is just a godawful person with 4+ kids that they use for their own benefit.&nbsp;

Entitled huh? I don't feel that way. I care for kids.&nbsp; I feel like I see kids every day in crap situations. I feel like I see CPS give parents chances over and over again based upon the idea that they just need "financial support," when to me, the issue is much bigger.&nbsp;

I work closely with CPS and see kids in terrible situations on a daily basis I and still think you both sound like aholes. Passing a test to be able to have a child is crazy Brave New World stuff.

greengirl0909

fuzzylogic:

TeeJ526:

fuzzylogic:

TeeJ526:

fuzzylogic:

I think saying that people need to be able to pass a test or prove financial capabilities in order to have a child makes you sound incredibly entitled.

I can understand that. I do have to say that sometimes I get very annoyed when I see people with multiple children and it's so obvious that they cannot afford them. 

But there are plenty of parents who can "afford" their children but treat them like crap. Or they work all the time. Or they're alcoholics. Etc., etc., etc.

I was a poor kid. So were most of my friends. We are all doing just fine and for the most part, we had great parents. H was raised in an affluent family and his dad was an alcoholic and his parents fought all the time.

I also have plenty of students whose parents are not financially well-off but they are great kids with great heads on their shoulders. Just because the parent doesn't have a high-paying job, it doesn't mean that the child isn't loved and supported at home.  

Understood. My parents were far from well off as well. I'm not saying that people need to submit their income and go through some sort of approval process in order to have children. There are plenty of people out there, myself included, that are not wealthy, but know that my future child will be taken care of to the best of my ability mentally, emotionally, and financially. I'm speaking of people who continue to have children knowing they can't afford them and because of that, the child suffers. Forgive me if the way I'm saying doesn't come across properly, but I'm speaking from what I've seen growing up.

 

If they can't afford a child, then they may not be able to afford healthcare, or may not be highly educated about preventative measures. There are so many things that factor into this debate.  

I agree, many factors. However, when services are being offered, when education is available, and you still aren't taking care of your kids- there is a problem.  In mnay of the cases I work with, it's drug and alcohol abuse. I understand, it's an addiction. But too many times we leave kids in crappy situations and give parents excuses. "Well, she's dealing with addiction" Okay, why are we letting kids suffer? Why aren't we making more services mandatory?  I feel like people get so worried about the parents' rights, they forget about the rights of the kids. 

bornmommy

EmeJay:

jessa8907:

beckynsean11:

Here's mine & based on the which boards to you stalk thread, I guess it's UO: I have zero desire to have a natural birth. I fully intend on having an epidural unless there is a medical reason why I can't.

I would just like to say that I don't judge anyone who wants an epidural (even though I would very much like to have a natural birth). Who knows, I might end up shouting for one in the middle of labor because I just can't handle it.  

To each their own on this subject. I really just hate the smug mothers who feel so superior because they had a natural birth.

I agree to each their own and I'm not going to look down on you for receiving interventions during labor and delivery but I side eye women who say they are 100%, without a doubt getting an epi or a scheduled c who have not done their research.  I'm not about talking people with certain medical conditions or high risk pregnancies, etc.

I'm going to try and be as clear as possible.  Its impossible to make an informed decision without information.  Its my personal opinion that birth is 80% mental and the cultural view point surrounding birth has changed since medicine started to be introduced. 

When I decided to try to deliver naturally, I did my research.  DH and I went to classes, we read up on interventions, labor itself, strategies, etc.  We went in with the plan to try for a natural birth, knowing that things might arise and we would have to reevaluate as situations changed.  I would not have felt ready to accept any interventions without having done my research on how it could affect my baby or me.  Informed decision making is crucial.   

ETA: I am by no means saying that after you do your research and you elect to have an epi, you are wrong and less of a woman.   

TeeJ526

fuzzylogic:

TeeJ526:

fuzzylogic:

TeeJ526:

fuzzylogic:

I think saying that people need to be able to pass a test or prove financial capabilities in order to have a child makes you sound incredibly entitled.

I can understand that. I do have to say that sometimes I get very annoyed when I see people with multiple children and it's so obvious that they cannot afford them. 

But there are plenty of parents who can "afford" their children but treat them like crap. Or they work all the time. Or they're alcoholics. Etc., etc., etc.

I was a poor kid. So were most of my friends. We are all doing just fine and for the most part, we had great parents. H was raised in an affluent family and his dad was an alcoholic and his parents fought all the time.

I also have plenty of students whose parents are not financially well-off but they are great kids with great heads on their shoulders. Just because the parent doesn't have a high-paying job, it doesn't mean that the child isn't loved and supported at home.  

Understood. My parents were far from well off as well. I'm not saying that people need to submit their income and go through some sort of approval process in order to have children. There are plenty of people out there, myself included, that are not wealthy, but know that my future child will be taken care of to the best of my ability mentally, emotionally, and financially. I'm speaking of people who continue to have children knowing they can't afford them and because of that, the child suffers. Forgive me if the way I'm saying doesn't come across properly, but I'm speaking from what I've seen growing up.

 

If they can't afford a child, then they may not be able to afford healthcare, or may not be highly educated about preventative measures. There are so many things that factor into this debate.  

 

Maybe so, but everyone has different experiences. For me, my experience was seeing people have children because that meant they would get government assistance by way of food, or cheaper rent. When I was growing up, my Mom was on government assistance for 2 years and she worked her butt off to be able to support herself and me. She didn't even go to college until she was 40 and 10 years later she has 2 Master degrees. Recently. she rented out an apartment to a woman with 2 kids and was also on government assistance, but her attitude was much different than my Mom. She saw it as a way to not have to get a job and better herself. And when her assistance almost ran out, she had another child. To me, it's bigger than what opportunities are given to people (i.e., education, benefits, etc.). Temperament and just overall wanting to have achievements is also a factor.

ETA: And while I only mention 1 woman in my example, that is what I saw frequently. So again, forgive me for my opinion.

beckynsean11

bornmommy:

EmeJay:

jessa8907:

beckynsean11:

Here's mine & based on the which boards to you stalk thread, I guess it's UO: I have zero desire to have a natural birth. I fully intend on having an epidural unless there is a medical reason why I can't.

I would just like to say that I don't judge anyone who wants an epidural (even though I would very much like to have a natural birth). Who knows, I might end up shouting for one in the middle of labor because I just can't handle it.  

To each their own on this subject. I really just hate the smug mothers who feel so superior because they had a natural birth.

I agree to each their own and I'm not going to look down on you for receiving interventions during labor and delivery but I side eye women who say they are 100%, without a doubt getting an epi or a scheduled c who have not done their research.  I'm not about talking people with certain medical conditions or high risk pregnancies, etc.

I'm going to try and be as clear as possible.  Its impossible to make an informed decision without information.  Its my personal opinion that birth is 80% mental and the cultural view point surrounding birth has changed since medicine started to be introduced. 

When I decided to try to deliver naturally, I did my research.  DH and I went to classes, we read up on interventions, labor itself, strategies, etc.  We went in with the plan to try for a natural birth, knowing that things might arise and we would have to reevaluate as situations changed.  I would not have felt ready to accept any interventions without having done my research on how it could affect my baby or me.  Informed decision making is crucial.   

I agree that whichever why you want to go you need to be educated on the decision you are making. I also would never schedule a c-section without medical necessity. I've done research on epidurals & will continue to educate myself on both options to make sure it's the right decision. As of now, based on what I know, that's the route I intend on going. These things are always subject to change. I could feel 100% differently once I actually am KTFU.

bornmommy

ChancieMark:

I think it's silly when pregnant couples celebrate their "first" Mother's Day and Father's Day while the baby is still in the womb.

However, the couples in my M/C support group celebrate it and I don't think it's odd.

I was two weeks away from my due date when Mother's Day came around for the "first" time for me.  DH got me a card from the dogs.

EmeJay

bornmommy:

ChancieMark:

I think it's silly when pregnant couples celebrate their "first" Mother's Day and Father's Day while the baby is still in the womb.

However, the couples in my M/C support group celebrate it and I don't think it's odd.

I was two weeks away from my due date when Mother's Day came around for the "first" time for me.  DH got me a card from the dogs.

I'm breaking the rule, pet related: I think it's sillier to celebrate Mother's Day because you are "a fur mom" <-- This term irks me to no end btw. 

You're not a mother. You're an Owner

zg49

I also really hate the women who are smug about their birth plan or turn their noses up at anyone who has a different birth plan. I'm noticing here that all of you are understanding of each side of this which is GREAT! I follow a few blogs as a start of research for both natural and epi births and I'm sad to say the natural birth blogs have very rude women that are very judgmental towards those that don't go natural.  

I tossed around the idea of an at home birth since a friend had one and the look my DH gave me was priceless. He was flabbergasted at the thought- had no idea it was done.

I personally am leaning towards a hospital birth with an epi, c-section if medically necessary. Just my two cents  

pearlsandcurls84

mamathefox:

NariaDreaming:

EmeJay:

I'll start: There's a whole debate where I live because we're about to pass a bill on the right to a medically assisted death rather than accept excruciating pain. 

The patient must be 18 or over, suffering from an incurable disease, with an irreversible decline in health and must be suffering from "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain which cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable."

 

I'm 100% for it. 

I wish I lived where you live. I'd be 100% for it as well. Watching my father die and being unable to legally do anything to end his suffering was the most painful experience of my life. His death took over 6  hours from the point where he had a heart attack and when he finally died. 6 hours of watching him struggle to breathe, unable to talk, turning purple, and thrashing... and all we could do was offer him his regularly scheduled morphine to try and ease the pain until he finally died. 

I cannot even....I am SO sorry  

 I'm so sorry to hear about your father . I also 100% agree with this. My grandmother had a brain aneurism rather young. Her physically state went up and down, but psychologically she was gone the second it happened. She didn't recognize us, she would scream and cry all the time.Every once and a while she would come to and recognize my father and tell him she wanted to die. She was on and off hospice a few times, one time we even got a call from hospice that she had passed and I remember being so sad but relieved that watching her suffer was over. They called back five minutes later, the hospital had called the wrong family it was a different patient with the same name. We watched her suffer for five more years. I hope something like this passes so I don't have to watch anyone suffer like that again.

bornmommy

EmeJay:

bornmommy:

ChancieMark:

I think it's silly when pregnant couples celebrate their "first" Mother's Day and Father's Day while the baby is still in the womb.

However, the couples in my M/C support group celebrate it and I don't think it's odd.

I was two weeks away from my due date when Mother's Day came around for the "first" time for me.  DH got me a card from the dogs.

I'm breaking the rule, pet related: I think it's sillier to celebrate Mother's Day because you are "a fur mom" <-- This term irks me to no end btw. 

You're not a mother. You're an Owner

I 100% agree.  We didn't celebrate me as a "pet mom."  He thought it would be funny because everyone kept telling us that that Mother's Day counted and I wasn't ready to have it count yet.  

mmb248

GhostMonkey:

My coworker is thrilled that a family member that coded on Monday and was in a coma woke up yesterday. He has very aggressive cancer that they can't get under control and he has stated he's ready to be done and the paramedics ignored his DNR. She's super happy that he's still here and fighting.

I wouldn't be thrilled. I'd be ticked.

Yes.  Pisssed in the extreme.  What's the point of going through the process of setting up a DNR only to have it ignored?

hwkeyebrideinstl

GhostMonkey:

ChancieMark:

I think it's silly when pregnant couples celebrate their "first" Mother's Day and Father's Day while the baby is still in the womb.

However, the couples in my M/C support group celebrate it and I don't think it's odd.

I dislike the whole idea of "Celebrate all women on mother's day".

No. It's Mother's Day, not Women's day, not Wife's Day. Should we start celebrating everyone on grandparents day because some day they will likely be a grandparent?

Though I really don't care because it's a pointless Hallmark Holiday anyway.

I'm torn about this. My MIL has given me Mother's Day cards on every Mother's Day since DH and I got married. I thought it was weird at first, but she explained her reasoning that she liked to refer to it as "Women's Day" (and I think she may have started this because DH's aunts never had kids of their own--even tho 2 out 3 tried--but they were still very close and she wanted to recognize them). So it was nice at first. This last Mother's Day I didn't like it as much, though she doesn't totally know how long we've been TTC and how difficult at times it has been for me. If I had gotten that card a couple months prior, I would've totally lost it because I was not in a good place when the one year mark came around.

mmb248

lilysylvis:

I really hate onions. Any dish that has an onion chopped in it (onion powder doesn't count) I immediately lose interest in. If I'm hungry enough I'll just pick them out, but my appetite goes way down. They told me I'd grow out of it, but not quite there yet apparently.

OMG - me too!  MIL like to dice up the onions really fine and then put them into food because she knows I hate it and so she tells me, "Don't worry mmb, I chopped up the onions really small.  You'll never know they're in there."  WTF?  Yes I will.  If chopping them up made them disappear, there would be no reason to include them!

I seriously gag if I bite into onion.  They give me headaches, and I hate them, but they're almost impossible to avoid.  Especially with DH's family because they put it in everything.  Seriously.  All food has onion and/or fatback in it.