~ UO Thursday ~

MrsT1108

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

mlangs

MissusTexas:

I care more about animal rights than human ones.

I'd rather give my money to animal charities than those that benefit humans.

My philosophy is that humans can help themselves, animals can't.

I hold 2 Charity events a year at work. During Christmas I do a toy drive for orphans (I mean they are orphan's how can you not get them toys and stuff for Christmas, and actually most of them ask for clothing), and during the Summer (right now) I do an animal charity drive. Currently the no-kill shelter we are trying to help has over 150 kittens, and they can't afford to feed them all... it is so sad.

HopeNotLost

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Wait, what?  So my husband f*cked up his hand while in the Marine Corps for what then?  F*ck that shiit.  They are fighting to maintain our freedom.  And fighting for other people's rights.  Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go sit in a damn jail cell and not be given any civil liberties. 

 

Edit:  Had to throw some stars in cuz the bump is getting too smart.

BrittanyDoesDerby

rockinmommy:

BrittanyDoesDerby:

JenniatONU:

I love the harry potter books, but hate the Harry Potter character....

 

  

AH! I hate Harry as well, but I freaking adore the books.

My UO is that I absolutely positively can't stand chocolate. Of any variety.

 

I can no longer think you are awesome.

I hate gummy bears, gummy worms, anything gummy. And I don't like pudding. I think it's a texture thing.

Ah, shits.

I also can't eat pudding or yogurt because the texture weirds me out. It doesn't taste bad, I just can't stand the way it feels. 

rockinmommy

BrittanyDoesDerby:

rockinmommy:

BrittanyDoesDerby:

JenniatONU:

I love the harry potter books, but hate the Harry Potter character....

 

  

AH! I hate Harry as well, but I freaking adore the books.

My UO is that I absolutely positively can't stand chocolate. Of any variety.

 

I can no longer think you are awesome.

I hate gummy bears, gummy worms, anything gummy. And I don't like pudding. I think it's a texture thing.

Ah, shits.

I also can't eat pudding or yogurt because the texture weirds me out. It doesn't taste bad, I just can't stand the way it feels. 

Forgot yogurt, add bananas to the list. I can eat a couple bites then I want to die. I love banana bread/muffins though.

amberoye

They may be fighting for freedom and rights for Iraqis and Afghans, but American liberties are in control of politicians not soldiers.

denise_m

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

Me too. Having idiotic laws passed by the morons *we* elect into office is a whole different ball park of freedoms being stripped. If people would take advantage of their right to vote and educated themselves prior to the day of elections, we can solve that problem. But, it wouldn't prevent enemies from foreign lands wanting to kill us and strip us of our religious and political freedoms. That is what the military does.  

missusmeeseeks

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Not cool. Almost every man in my family and in DH's has been in the military. One grandfather fought in world war 2, you can't say they didn't fight for anything. I wish civilians were more grateful for the sacrifice the soldiers as well as their families, spouses and children have made. Be thankful you or your husband have never made that sacrifice.  

Mrs.DeliaMarieP

lclaws13:

This may be really unpopular, but here goes.

I don't think you're a single parent if you move in with your parents.  Technically, it's a three parent household, you've got more adult eyes and hands at your disposal than most 2 parent household.

I have a coworker whose husband left her over a year ago, and she moved in with her parents.  We've been told to allow her special accomodations because it's so hard being a single parent.  Seriously?  She gets to leave her kid at home when she goes grocery shopping.  She gets to take showers alone while her mom feeds the kid breakfast.  How exactly is she a "single parent"?

I agree and disagree with this one.  I think that single parents that live with other adults have it easier than single parents that live in a single-parent household.  But, they still are the ones taking care of and making all decisions about bed time, discipline, health, making doctor's appointments, arranging babysitters, getting ready for school, making sure kid is bathed, clothes are ready each day, nap time, etc. by themselves without someone else to lean on to help them make the decisions.  That is where it is harder for them than two-parent households.

JenniatONU

amberoye:

They may be fighting for freedom and rights for Iraqis and Afghans, but American liberties are in control of politicians not soldiers.

I had an entire post ready to go, but I'm not even going to bother.

hminer4

MissusTexas:

I care more about animal rights than human ones.

I'd rather give my money to animal charities than those that benefit humans.

My philosophy is that humans can help themselves, animals can't.

 

haha my DH once said that when he sees a stary dog or an animal in distress on the side of the road he gets really upset and has to stop and try to help it but when he sees a panhandler he has no problem looking the other way.

mlangs

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

I am with you here. I come from a long line of military family members, some that have died in service of this country, there have always been people that think like this though, but I pray that you treat all service people with humility and respect. My little brother currently suffers from PTSD, and I assure you it is no laughing matter (I know you didn't say that, but I am super protective of the military personnel).

amberoye

denise_m:

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

Me too. Having idiotic laws passed by the morons *we* elect into office is a whole different ball park of freedoms being stripped. If people would take advantage of their right to vote and educated themselves prior to the day of elections, we can solve that problem. But, it wouldn't prevent enemies from foreign lands wanting to kill us and strip us of our religious and political freedoms. That is what the military does.  

 

In my UO...Terrorist don't want to kill us because we are 'free', we have a long and confusing history with the middle east, one worth researching IMO. I've been personally touched by the war, so my statement isn't without feeling. I am so tired of the dying and people believing we are maintaining freedoms when war has only limited our freedom (PATRIOT Act/NDAA) and civil liberties are being trampled on here at home regardless of the war. I think it's a shame

kldanzinger

mrsdelcastillo:

alr5k:

i can't stand anything that has to do with Winnie the Pooh.

Me either! I hate all cartoons for that matter- Disney, Looney Tunes, WB...whatever. When people buy clothing for my daughter that has cartoon characters on it, I stick it in the Good Will bag. And there's nothing worse that adults wearing cartoon clothing- especially Tigger and Tweety Bird sweatshirts- gross.

I TOTALLY side eye adults wearing character clothing. I don't like it on my kids (I make an allowance for underwear and jammies), but on adults it's totally ridiculous.

I also side eye parents who let their kids wear what are obviously pajamas to the store. It's one thing if the kid is sick and they're at Walgreens, etc picking up medicine or something. But when it's the middle of the day, the kid is healthy enough to be bouncing all over the place and they're at the mall, on a regular shopping trip, etc, I really don't get it. And for some reason, I've been seeing it A LOT lately.

HopeNotLost

JenniatONU:

amberoye:

They may be fighting for freedom and rights for Iraqis and Afghans, but American liberties are in control of politicians not soldiers.

I had an entire post ready to go, but I'm not even going to bother.

I responded, and I want to respond again, but I decided it would take less work to take off my wadded up underwear and put on new ones. Or maybe go commando.  If I go commando, does that give me a free pass to be a biitch?  Hmm....decisions, decisions.

amberoye

You can message me if you want...

HopeNotLost:

JenniatONU:

amberoye:

They may be fighting for freedom and rights for Iraqis and Afghans, but American liberties are in control of politicians not soldiers.

I had an entire post ready to go, but I'm not even going to bother.

I responded, and I want to respond again, but I decided it would take less work to take off my wadded up underwear and put on new ones. Or maybe go commando.  If I go commando, does that give me a free pass to be a biitch?  Hmm....decisions, decisions.

MrsT1108

amberoye:

denise_m:

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

Me too. Having idiotic laws passed by the morons *we* elect into office is a whole different ball park of freedoms being stripped. If people would take advantage of their right to vote and educated themselves prior to the day of elections, we can solve that problem. But, it wouldn't prevent enemies from foreign lands wanting to kill us and strip us of our religious and political freedoms. That is what the military does.  

 

In my UO...Terrorist don't want to kill us because we are 'free', we have a long and confusing history with the middle east, one worth researching IMO. I've been personally touched by the war, so my statement isn't without feeling. I am so tired of the dying and people believing we are maintaining freedoms when war has only limited our freedom (PATRIOT Act/NDAA) and civil liberties are being trampled on here at home regardless of the war. I think it's a shame

You're still a douche.

BLuvsE

denise_m:

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

Me too. Having idiotic laws passed by the morons *we* elect into office is a whole different ball park of freedoms being stripped. If people would take advantage of their right to vote and educated themselves prior to the day of elections, we can solve that problem. But, it wouldn't prevent enemies from foreign lands wanting to kill us and strip us of our religious and political freedoms. That is what the military does.  

This. Yes the politicians are the ones stripping the freedoms, but the military protect our right to vote them out of office.

amberoye

The military is controlled by politicians (Congress..the President...). The military didn't give women the right to vote, but I'd agree that they helped give African American men the right to vote. War and politics aren't what they were 100 years ago, nor 10 years ago. I don't want to turn this thread into political discussion, but you guys can message me if you want. I'm pretty passionate about public policy, and I respect our military...just not the guys running it.

denise_m

amberoye:

denise_m:

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

Me too. Having idiotic laws passed by the morons *we* elect into office is a whole different ball park of freedoms being stripped. If people would take advantage of their right to vote and educated themselves prior to the day of elections, we can solve that problem. But, it wouldn't prevent enemies from foreign lands wanting to kill us and strip us of our religious and political freedoms. That is what the military does.  

 

In my UO...Terrorist don't want to kill us because we are 'free', we have a long and confusing history with the middle east, one worth researching IMO. I've been personally touched by the war, so my statement isn't without feeling. I am so tired of the dying and people believing we are maintaining freedoms when war has only limited our freedom (PATRIOT Act/NDAA) and civil liberties are being trampled on here at home regardless of the war. I think it's a shame

 

I've done plenty . The list of reasons terrorists want to destroy America is longer than I'd care to bother typing. Given then opportunity, I have absolutely no doubt they would kill us and take away every possible freedom.

I also believe the military gives us the freedom of not living every single day in fear of an attack on American soil. The freedom to sed our child to school knowing the risk of a suicide bomber is low, the freedom to shop in stores that are not blown up on the regular. The freedom to live the lives that we are accustomed to.  

itsmevkb

I'll start giving money to animal charities once every child on Earth isn't starving, dying of preventable diseases, is loved and cared for, etc.   People who place a greater value on animal life than on human life really make me wonder, specially when it only applies to "cute" animals like dogs or cats and not to all animals.  If you're going pick a stance then at least please be consistent.

JenniatONU

denise_m:

amberoye:

denise_m:

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

Me too. Having idiotic laws passed by the morons *we* elect into office is a whole different ball park of freedoms being stripped. If people would take advantage of their right to vote and educated themselves prior to the day of elections, we can solve that problem. But, it wouldn't prevent enemies from foreign lands wanting to kill us and strip us of our religious and political freedoms. That is what the military does.  

 

In my UO...Terrorist don't want to kill us because we are 'free', we have a long and confusing history with the middle east, one worth researching IMO. I've been personally touched by the war, so my statement isn't without feeling. I am so tired of the dying and people believing we are maintaining freedoms when war has only limited our freedom (PATRIOT Act/NDAA) and civil liberties are being trampled on here at home regardless of the war. I think it's a shame

 

I've done plenty . The list of reasons terrorists want to destroy America is longer than I'd care to bother typing. Given then opportunity, I have absolutely no doubt they would kill us and take away every possible freedom.

I also believe the military gives us the freedom of not living every single day in fear of an attack on American soil. The freedom to sed our child to school knowing the risk of a suicide bomber is low, the freedom to shop in stores that are not blown up on the regular. The freedom to live the lives that we are accustomed to.  

 

esthergreenwood14

rocky_star:

rockinmommy:

christie522:

MissusTexas:

I care more about animal rights than human ones.

I'd rather give my money to animal charities than those that benefit humans.

My philosophy is that humans can help themselves, animals can't.

So humans who need donations for cancer research should help themselves? Infants with chromosomal disorders, less important than puppies?

I don't agree. There are valid animal charities that deserve your donations, but your reasoning is ridic IMHO.  

I COMPLETEY agree with Christie. I would donate to charities that are deserving, animals or humans.

A very dear friend of ours passed away from cancer. I would never ever say a cancer charity is less worthy because it supports humans, and humans can do for themselves.

I don't think she EVER said that they were less worthy. I have family that has died from cancer, have diabetes, asthma, heart problems etc. and I would never say that any of those are less worthy. However, where I choose to spend my charity dollars is my choice.

Agreed. Your $= your choice. My issue is that NOT all "humans can help themselves." Not donating to charites that benefit human beings because of that logic is ridiculous. Call The March of Dimes and tell them that bullsh-t. Let me know what they say.  

Andplusalso caring more about human rights than animal ones is the kind of thing that only people who have never struggled for basic human rights would say. If we yanked the femal right to vote or moved you to the middle east, human rights might start to mean a little something. 

mlangs

itsmevkb:

I'll start giving money to animal charities once every child on Earth isn't starving, dying of preventable diseases, is loved and cared for, etc.   People who place a greater value on animal life than on human life really make me wonder, specially when it only applies to "cute" animals like dogs or cats and not to all animals.  If you're going pick a stance then at least please be consistent.

I am consistent... I do what I want with my money (and my time) and won't let anyone tell me what I should/ should not be doing with it. And I don't let people who think they are better than me because of it bother me.

mlangs

denise_m:

amberoye:

denise_m:

MrsT1108:

amberoye:

I hate when people say that our soldiers are "fighting for our freedom". Last time I checked, our politicians are passing laws against our liberties...not terrorists overseas. I can understand fighting for our safety, but freedom? Yeah right.

Um, wow.  I'm totally giving you side eye.

Me too. Having idiotic laws passed by the morons *we* elect into office is a whole different ball park of freedoms being stripped. If people would take advantage of their right to vote and educated themselves prior to the day of elections, we can solve that problem. But, it wouldn't prevent enemies from foreign lands wanting to kill us and strip us of our religious and political freedoms. That is what the military does.  

 

In my UO...Terrorist don't want to kill us because we are 'free', we have a long and confusing history with the middle east, one worth researching IMO. I've been personally touched by the war, so my statement isn't without feeling. I am so tired of the dying and people believing we are maintaining freedoms when war has only limited our freedom (PATRIOT Act/NDAA) and civil liberties are being trampled on here at home regardless of the war. I think it's a shame

 

I've done plenty . The list of reasons terrorists want to destroy America is longer than I'd care to bother typing. Given then opportunity, I have absolutely no doubt they would kill us and take away every possible freedom.

I also believe the military gives us the freedom of not living every single day in fear of an attack on American soil. The freedom to sed our child to school knowing the risk of a suicide bomber is low, the freedom to shop in stores that are not blown up on the regular. The freedom to live the lives that we are accustomed to.  

nk1220

lclaws13:

This may be really unpopular, but here goes.

I don't think you're a single parent if you move in with your parents.  Technically, it's a three parent household, you've got more adult eyes and hands at your disposal than most 2 parent household.

I have a coworker whose husband left her over a year ago, and she moved in with her parents.  We've been told to allow her special accomodations because it's so hard being a single parent.  Seriously?  She gets to leave her kid at home when she goes grocery shopping.  She gets to take showers alone while her mom feeds the kid breakfast.  How exactly is she a "single parent"?

I disagree with you.  I think that you never know what someone is going through until you walk in their shoes.  She may not finacially be able to make it on her own...maybe she is emotionally unstable because of all that she has gone through with her husband leaving her...I pray I never have to parent alone, but if for some reason my husband isn't here to help me, I pray that my parents or his are able to...support is needed to raise a family and if it was meant to be that only 1 person was to take care of the child successfully all of the time then we would reproduce asexually.

LaceFace14

I liked reading the 50 shades books and actually liked the story. Some of the writi g got on my nerves but so do a lot of books. 

I think people on welfare don't get enough and there would be a better chance of them getting off if they had MORE help, not less.

I think it's a negative quality if you describe yourself as "tell it like it is, say what I think". I dnot care if you're rude to someone who is rude but I don't get being mean just because I thought popped into your head. I don't like to make others feel bad and I don't get why it's the cool thing to do. 

LeighPA

BLuvsE:

I probably won't NIP without a cover, but I will fight for every other mother's right to do so. I don't understand why it's such a big deal to cover up or go to the bathroom, but if that's what baby needs, that's what baby gets.

It's not a big deal to breastfeed in a public restroom...but there's no way in hell I will ever sit in one to feed my baby. They are disgusting, and if no one else eats in there, I'm sure as hell not feeding my infant in there. If me and my giant boobs can NIP without people realizing, it can be done by others.

rocky_star

christie522:

Agreed. Your $= your choice. My issue is that NOT all "humans can help themselves." Not donating to charites that benefit human beings because of that logic is ridiculous. Call The March of Dimes and tell them that bullsh-t. Let me know what they say.  

Andplusalso caring more about human rights than animal ones is the kind of thing that only people who have never struggled for basic human rights would say. If we yanked the femal right to vote or moved you to the middle east, human rights might start to mean a little something. 

I don't vote, and I live in Canada. You're right, I've never struggled for basic human rights and I doubt I ever will.

 

 

mnieciecki

1. My money = My charity.  I choose what I am passionate about.  St Jude, Animal charities, certain "i'm walking in this charity fundraiser because I lost so and so to XYZ disease."   No one charity is greater than another, all are fighting some sort of cause that will make the world a better (hopefully) place

2. I honor and support all of our service men and women, whether they are here on earth or have paid the ultimate sacrifice.  

3.  I hate the stupid occupy movement crap.

4.  I dislike grown adults crying in the work place and whining about everything that they have to do.  We are all busy with large work loads but you crying to everyone so they have to delegate your work is bs.   Maybe if you cut out all the gchat and online shopping you can get some stuff done.  

5.  Tomatoes and cottage cheese creep me out.   

MissusTexas

christie522:

Agreed. Your $= your choice. My issue is that NOT all "humans can help themselves." Not donating to charites that benefit human beings because of that logic is ridiculous. Call The March of Dimes and tell them that bullsh-t. Let me know what they say.  

Andplusalso caring more about human rights than animal ones is the kind of thing that only people who have never struggled for basic human rights would say. If we yanked the femal right to vote or moved you to the middle east, human rights might start to mean a little something. 

Right. Until then, my money, my choice.

esthergreenwood14

rocky_star:

christie522:

Agreed. Your $= your choice. My issue is that NOT all "humans can help themselves." Not donating to charites that benefit human beings because of that logic is ridiculous. Call The March of Dimes and tell them that bullsh-t. Let me know what they say.  

Andplusalso caring more about human rights than animal ones is the kind of thing that only people who have never struggled for basic human rights would say. If we yanked the female right to vote or moved you to the middle east, human rights might start to mean a little something. 

I don't vote, and I live in Canada. You're right, I've never struggled for basic human rights and I doubt I ever will.

 

 

That was in response to Missus Texas. She said animal rights were more important than human ones. I think that's insane. 

lclaws13

nk1220:

lclaws13:

This may be really unpopular, but here goes.

I don't think you're a single parent if you move in with your parents.  Technically, it's a three parent household, you've got more adult eyes and hands at your disposal than most 2 parent household.

I have a coworker whose husband left her over a year ago, and she moved in with her parents.  We've been told to allow her special accomodations because it's so hard being a single parent.  Seriously?  She gets to leave her kid at home when she goes grocery shopping.  She gets to take showers alone while her mom feeds the kid breakfast.  How exactly is she a "single parent"?

I disagree with you.  I think that you never know what someone is going through until you walk in their shoes.  She may not finacially be able to make it on her own...maybe she is emotionally unstable because of all that she has gone through with her husband leaving her...I pray I never have to parent alone, but if for some reason my husband isn't here to help me, I pray that my parents or his are able to...support is needed to raise a family and if it was meant to be that only 1 person was to take care of the child successfully all of the time then we would reproduce asexually.

You're right, I don't know exactly what it's like for her.  I doubt I'd be so up in arms about it if she weren't a total b!tch.  And that's not blamed on her divorce, she's been like that for years.  And we work with other single moms who don't get the special treatment of getting to come in late, leave early, and take long lunches.

cassoppea

LeighPA:

BLuvsE:

I probably won't NIP without a cover, but I will fight for every other mother's right to do so. I don't understand why it's such a big deal to cover up or go to the bathroom, but if that's what baby needs, that's what baby gets.

It's not a big deal to breastfeed in a public restroom...but there's no way in hell I will ever sit in one to feed my baby. They are disgusting, and if no one else eats in there, I'm sure as hell not feeding my infant in there. If me and my giant boobs can NIP without people realizing, it can be done by others.

BLuvsE I realize you are a FTM and haven't BF but I think you may find your feelings change once you have a child, especially if you BF that child. I think sitting in a public restroom to feed my child is disgusting. First of all, There's usually no where to sit other than the toilet. No thanks. Also I had a nursing cover for my daughter but at 5 months she kept ripping it off every time I tried to feed her. And I wasn't going to go home or sit in the bathroom every time she was hungry. If you've seen a mom BFing in public without a cover, it's really not a big deal. I doubt anyone saw any more of my breasts than if I were wearing a low cut shirt. I think people have a vision of moms just ripping their shirts off and whipping their boobs out. It's just not the case. I'll get off my soapbox now!

MissusTexas

christie522:

That was in response to Missus Texas. She said animal rights were more important than human ones. I think that's insane. 

I didn't say that, but either way you obviously care about human ones more than animal, so between people like you and people like me I think all rights are covered.

littlemusings

MissusTexas:

I care more about animal rights than human ones.

I'd rather give my money to animal charities than those that benefit humans.

My philosophy is that humans can help themselves, animals can't.

I've come across a couple of people that have the same philosophy and none of them have ever had to face any kind of human tragedy in their lives; and in some respects I think they are very fortunate and lead very charmed lives. It's a very naive statement to save humans can help themselves; you might change your mind if you go to a third world country and see real poverty or have a parent die of cancer for unexplained reasons. 

MissusTexas

littlemusings:

MissusTexas:

I care more about animal rights than human ones.

I'd rather give my money to animal charities than those that benefit humans.

My philosophy is that humans can help themselves, animals can't.

I've come across a couple of people that have the same philosophy and none of them have ever had to face any kind of human tragedy in their lives; and in some respects I think they are very fortunate and lead very charmed lives. It's a very naive statement to save humans can help themselves; you might change your mind if you go to a third world country and see real poverty or have a parent die of cancer for unexplained reasons. 

Done and done. Well, grandparent. I've been to several countries with real poverty, and it is sad.

littlemusings

MissusTexas:

littlemusings:

MissusTexas:

I care more about animal rights than human ones.

I'd rather give my money to animal charities than those that benefit humans.

My philosophy is that humans can help themselves, animals can't.

I've come across a couple of people that have the same philosophy and none of them have ever had to face any kind of human tragedy in their lives; and in some respects I think they are very fortunate and lead very charmed lives. It's a very naive statement to save humans can help themselves; you might change your mind if you go to a third world country and see real poverty or have a parent die of cancer for unexplained reasons. 

Done and done. Well, grandparent. I've been to several countries with real poverty, and it is sad.

It is very, very sad. I'm just surprised that your experiences haven't made you more compassionate. But you are more than entitled to your way of thinking and we need people out there that care for animal rights.

amberoye

can't...stay...away.

Freedom is not defined by safety. To "ensure" safety, governments pass laws and regulations that limit our liberties. Is that not contradictory to anyone? Now I'm not talking about local/state regulation to prevent domestic crime, but to have a subservient mindset about federal regulation in terms of international policy is to lose the American spirit!

Not getting bombed at school is not a freedom, it's a matter of politics (our relationship with those who would want to bomb us) and safety (how well military is utilized to prevent these occurrences). Freedoms and liberties are "god given", not government given.

I know what I said is a matter of word choice, but they are powerful words. When people die and get injured fighting for these ideals that much of society has mis-defined, it can be frustrating. Again, don't think of what I have said as an attack on individuals in the military. 

esthergreenwood14

MissusTexas:

christie522:

That was in response to Missus Texas. She said animal rights were more important than human ones. I think that's insane. 

I didn't say that, but either way you obviously care about human ones more than animal, so between people like you and people like me I think all rights are covered.

I must have misunderstood this: 

MissusTexas:

I care more about animal rights than human ones.

 Yes. I am and always will be more concerned with human rights than animal ones. This is NOT to suggest that mistreating animals is acceptable or that animal charites are not a valid use of resources.  I personally have spent way to much time at the children's hospital watching kids dying to consider their rights less concerning than those of stay cats. That's just me.