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IUI versus IVF

Hi everyone.

My hubbie and I have been trying for one year. We did have one chemical preg but because of my age and his low count, our RE recommends IVF. She says we can try IUI but his count is so low that many would be lost with the"wash". What would you guys suggest? And how much time off from work does IUI and IVF involve each month?

I'm still being evaluated and will ask our fertility coach these questions, too. I have my CD3 b/w soon.

I'm also really grieving for not being able to concieve on our own :(

Me 33. DH 32. TTC Since 6/2011. 12/2012-m/c, CP. DH: MFI. CCT/HSG/day 3 blood work-all nl. IVF#1 ER- 8/7/12, ET- 8/10. beta 8/25 neg, I did not respond as expected. AMH: 0.88. IVF#2 BCP-10/19. Micro flare Lupron-Nov: It's a bust. IVF#3 Planned for Feb '13 with a long lupron protocol ON OUR OWN!!! BFP- 1/12/13. Yay! EDD 9/18, now EDD 9/25

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    What is your age? What was his count/motility? Has he has just the one SA?
     
     I find that I can do most IUI appointments before work and only need to take one morning/day for the IUI itself. It kind of depends on your REs hours/distance/work schedule. I have two monitoring appointments, the IUI and one bloodwork appointment each month, but many people need more....it depends how you respond.
     
    I don't know if I would jump straight to IVF, but it kind of depends on your particular dx as well as your insurance situation. I know IVF is a lot harder physically, emotionally, and financially, but if IUI has very little chance and you are older, it could be a valid choice. Have you done an HSG? Your CD3 bloodwork should also give you some insight into things. If your numbers indicate diminishing eggs, you might jump to IVF sooner.
     
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    I think I need more info too.  Also you got pregnant once so that's a pretty good sign that an IUI may be successful.  I would at least try it once just so you get used to the process and see how your respond to meds before moving to IVF.
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    Sony22Sony22 member

    Thanks Killer Tomatoes! Love the name.

    I'm 33 and ideally, would like to have one to two kids before age 35. His count went from 59 in dec to 4.28 motile swimmers a couple months ago. He'll get a repeat. The SA are from different companies, so our RE doesn't trust the first one.

    I have my bloodwork, CCT and HSG this month.

    Me 33. DH 32. TTC Since 6/2011. 12/2012-m/c, CP. DH: MFI. CCT/HSG/day 3 blood work-all nl. IVF#1 ER- 8/7/12, ET- 8/10. beta 8/25 neg, I did not respond as expected. AMH: 0.88. IVF#2 BCP-10/19. Micro flare Lupron-Nov: It's a bust. IVF#3 Planned for Feb '13 with a long lupron protocol ON OUR OWN!!! BFP- 1/12/13. Yay! EDD 9/18, now EDD 9/25
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    imageSony22:

    Thanks Killer Tomatoes! Love the name.

    I'm 33 and ideally, would like to have one to two kids before age 35. His count went from 59 in dec to 4.28 motile swimmers a couple months ago. He'll get a repeat. The SA are from different companies, so our RE doesn't trust the first one.

    I have my bloodwork, CCT and HSG this month.

    If your results come back okay, I would personally try a couple of IUIs first. Especially if the SA fluctuates, I don't see why you wouldn't have a shot with IUI. IVF is a big step. Good luck!

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    I agree that you should give IUI a shot first. We are dealing with MFI low count and my RE was ok with us going ahead with a few IUIs. DH's post wash count was 2 million for IUI #1. It was a BFN, but the RE was at least optimistic with that number and wants us to try again. 
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    Sony22Sony22 member

    Our RE says she doesn't recommend IUI with anything below 5mill but then shrugs and says, we could give it a try.

    Sounds like we need to finish all the testing and think it over.

    I read a little on egg retrieval for IVF and having to be under anesthesia does sound pretty invasive to me.

    Me 33. DH 32. TTC Since 6/2011. 12/2012-m/c, CP. DH: MFI. CCT/HSG/day 3 blood work-all nl. IVF#1 ER- 8/7/12, ET- 8/10. beta 8/25 neg, I did not respond as expected. AMH: 0.88. IVF#2 BCP-10/19. Micro flare Lupron-Nov: It's a bust. IVF#3 Planned for Feb '13 with a long lupron protocol ON OUR OWN!!! BFP- 1/12/13. Yay! EDD 9/18, now EDD 9/25
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    imageSony22:

    Our RE says she doesn't recommend IUI with anything below 5mill but then shrugs and says, we could give it a try.

    Sounds like we need to finish all the testing and think it over.

    I read a little on egg retrieval for IVF and having to be under anesthesia does sound pretty invasive to me.

    This is about the most, if not the most, invasive procedure in terms on IF and TTC.  Meds and procedure alone often run well over 10K. 

    I think I'd try at least 1 round of IUI before doing IVF. 

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    imageSony22:

    Our RE says she doesn't recommend IUI with anything below 5mill but then shrugs and says, we could give it a try.

    Sounds like we need to finish all the testing and think it over.

    I read a little on egg retrieval for IVF and having to be under anesthesia does sound pretty invasive to me.

    I just wanted to say that I would not feel comfortable with and RE that shrugs and says "we'll give it a try."  I would prefer someone who is confident in their practice.  This is just my opinion, so take it only as that.

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    imageSony22:

    Hi everyone.

    My hubbie and I have been trying for one year. We did have one chemical preg but because of my age and his low count, our RE recommends IVF. She says we can try IUI but his count is so low that many would be lost with the"wash". What would you guys suggest? And how much time off from work does IUI and IVF involve each month?

    I'm still being evaluated and will ask our fertility coach these questions, too. I have my CD3 b/w soon.

    I'm also really grieving for not being able to concieve on our own :(

    Your what now? Your RE would be the best person to ask about how much time you can expect to need to be at the office, because it may depend on their plan for you.

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    imageSony22:

    Hi everyone.

    My hubbie and I have been trying for one year. We did have one chemical preg but because of my age and his low count, our RE recommends IVF. She says we can try IUI but his count is so low that many would be lost with the"wash". What would you guys suggest? And how much time off from work does IUI and IVF involve each month?

    I'm still being evaluated and will ask our fertility coach these questions, too. I have my CD3 b/w soon.

    I'm also really grieving for not being able to concieve on our own :(

    Your what now? Your RE would be the best person to ask about how much time you can expect to need to be at the office, because it may depend on their plan for you.

    My thoughts exactly...What is a fertility coach?

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    I have no advice on what I think you should do, but I did do 3 IUI's and an IVF.

    For the IUI's I had to go CD3 and then every other day for b/w and u/s.  My RE is open very early but I only work a few shifts a week so it didnt matter for me.  I took the day off for the IUI because I had some cramping later in the day.

    For my IVF the monitoring was similar (I think maybe 1 more b/w u/s)  You take the day off for you ER because you are put to sleep.  I took 2 weeks off of work for this.  I also ended up with OHSS so I really needed the time off.  My job is on my feet and involves lifting.  Next time I plan on taking 3-4 weeks off.

    There is a big difference between IUI and IVF.  I would think about your decision.

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    I think part of it has to be your comfort with what you are doing.  If you aren't comfortable moving straight to IVF, then dont. 

     That being said, I know our RE uses a 5 mil cutoff for moving straight to IVF and has suggested freezing sperm when we thought we were dealing with MFI, in case the numbers continued to decline.  I was okay trying IUI first with the stipulation I only want to do 3 before reevaluating our plan.  

    Ultimately the decision is yours & DH.  Good luck!

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    Sony22Sony22 member

    Doh! age 33, hubbie 32. Our fertility coach is our go between nurse between us and our RE.

    Me 33. DH 32. TTC Since 6/2011. 12/2012-m/c, CP. DH: MFI. CCT/HSG/day 3 blood work-all nl. IVF#1 ER- 8/7/12, ET- 8/10. beta 8/25 neg, I did not respond as expected. AMH: 0.88. IVF#2 BCP-10/19. Micro flare Lupron-Nov: It's a bust. IVF#3 Planned for Feb '13 with a long lupron protocol ON OUR OWN!!! BFP- 1/12/13. Yay! EDD 9/18, now EDD 9/25
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