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Duggar Update

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She was 19w1d when they had the u/s that showed the heart was no longer beating. One of her daughters had just listened to the HB on a doppler on Nov 25th. She is waiting for the m/c to happen naturally due to the type of cut they had to use for the c/s of her last baby. So sad. I cannot imagine waiting at home to miscarry such a late pregnancy. Awful. Crying

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    That is awful.  I don't really care for the Duggars and the way they have whored out their fertility to make money, but I do feel very sad for them.  I late m/c like that would be devestating.  Especially since they involve their entire family with each pregnancy so it's not just her mourning the loss, it's every one of those kids.
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    Sad That's so sad.  I can't imagine just waiting at home to miscarry... poor woman.
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    So....they are naming the baby Caleb.  Not a J name.  I wonder why that is...

    Edit: reading fail.  They named the baby from their first m/c Caleb.  got it.

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    I just responded on the original Duggar thread, but it's pretty far back now so I'd like to repost my thoughts here. I was an April mommy who lost her baby at 17 weeks and occasionally still lurk on this board. I was pleased to see everyone's sympathy for Michelle and that no one bashed her - no matter her choices, no one deserves this.

    If she was 19 weeks it is legally still a miscarriage; at 20 weeks it becomes a stillbirth, but that is really just semantics. Even at 17 weeks, I don't consider it a miscarriage because I labored, gave birth in the hospital and held my tiny baby in my arms. She will be doing the same and my heart goes out to her. 

     

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    imageTheOriginalSP:

    So....they are naming the baby Caleb.  Not a J name.  I wonder why that is...

    I don't know, maybe there's a Biblical meaning to it? 

    eta: It means heart. 

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    imageTheOriginalSP:

    So....they are naming the baby Caleb.  Not a J name.  I wonder why that is...

    They named the first baby they miscarried right after Josh Caleb.  I don't think they had the intention of naming all the kids J names at that point.  They just liked Josh and then when they liked the other J names they went with it.  I'm sure once this one is delivered they will name him with a J name.

    I am so heart broken for them.  I know how it feels to carry around baby and wait to m/c.  I couldn't stand it and ended up getting a D&C.  I hope this process is quick for her so she can start healing.

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    :((((
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    Regardless of what people may think of this family on a personal level, it is still so heartbreaking to hear news like this. I can't even imagine- a m/c is horrible any time, but after basically reaching the 'half way' point? Devastating.  
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    This isn't meant to be insensitive, just a comment..if she was 19 weeks, 1 day on Thursday, wouldn't she be a May mom? The reports are all saying she was due in April 
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    This isn't meant to be insensitive, just a comment..if she was 19 weeks, 1 day on Thursday, wouldn't she be a May mom? The reports are all saying she was due in April 

    Maybe since she already had a c-section date scheduled in April they are saying April? 

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    how heart wrenching
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    I have a FB friend whose status is "I would never wish a miscarriage on anyone, but is it bad that I'm totally okay with Michelle Duggar losing her 20th baby?? Those two are f-ing nuts!"

    I want to respond, "Yes, it is bad.  It's awful, in fact.  A baby died, WTF is wrong with you?"  But I won't b/c I'm chicken like that. 

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    imagePatella1129:

    I have a FB friend whose status is "I would never wish a miscarriage on anyone, but is it bad that I'm totally okay with Michelle Duggar losing her 20th baby?? Those two are f-ing nuts!"

    I want to respond, "Yes, it is bad.  It's awful, in fact.  A baby died, WTF is wrong with you?"  But I won't b/c I'm chicken like that. 

    Indifferent  wtf is wrong with people??!

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    imagePatella1129:

    I have a FB friend whose status is "I would never wish a miscarriage on anyone, but is it bad that I'm totally okay with Michelle Duggar losing her 20th baby?? Those two are f-ing nuts!"

    I want to respond, "Yes, it is bad.  It's awful, in fact.  A baby died, WTF is wrong with you?"  But I won't b/c I'm chicken like that. 

    Ohhhh my goodness. I would be too chicken also, but I hope someone else says something! No, I do not agree with the Duggars in their decisions...but non the less they have experienced a great loss that no one should be ok with EVER. Your right, a baby died. That status is pretty disturbing to me.

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    imagePatella1129:

    I have a FB friend whose status is "I would never wish a miscarriage on anyone, but is it bad that I'm totally okay with Michelle Duggar losing her 20th baby?? Those two are f-ing nuts!"

    I want to respond, "Yes, it is bad.  It's awful, in fact.  A baby died, WTF is wrong with you?"  But I won't b/c I'm chicken like that. 

    I think you should.  I'm getting sick of all the harsh comments all over the place.  Yes, the Duggars are nuts and should not have conceived this baby.  The last baby should have been their cue to stop.  But it was still a baby, an innocent life and NO ONE deserves to lose a baby.

    (Not directed towards you, Patella, I'm just getting so upset that people seem happy about a baby dying....like your FB friend....almost like they're gloating about what the Duggars have to go through now.)

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    imagePatella1129:

    I have a FB friend whose status is "I would never wish a miscarriage on anyone, but is it bad that I'm totally okay with Michelle Duggar losing her 20th baby?? Those two are f-ing nuts!"

    I want to respond, "Yes, it is bad.  It's awful, in fact.  A baby died, WTF is wrong with you?"  But I won't b/c I'm chicken like that. 

    You should totally say something. That's awful. I'm sure all of her friends would agree with you if you spoke up.

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    imagePatella1129:

    I have a FB friend whose status is "I would never wish a miscarriage on anyone, but is it bad that I'm totally okay with Michelle Duggar losing her 20th baby?? Those two are f-ing nuts!"

    I want to respond, "Yes, it is bad.  It's awful, in fact.  A baby died, WTF is wrong with you?"  But I won't b/c I'm chicken like that. 

    I think you should.  I'm getting sick of all the harsh comments all over the place.  Yes, the Duggars are nuts and should not have conceived this baby.  The last baby should have been their cue to stop.  But it was still a baby, an innocent life and NO ONE deserves to lose a baby.

    (Not directed towards you, Patella, I'm just getting so upset that people seem happy about a baby dying....like your FB friend....almost like they're gloating about what the Duggars have to go through now.)

    I agree.  It's like, "Wow, that's awesome that their gut-wrenching tragedy causes you to feel so superior to them and happy about your own life choices." 

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    imagemay2806:

    I just responded on the original Duggar thread, but it's pretty far back now so I'd like to repost my thoughts here. I was an April mommy who lost her baby at 17 weeks and occasionally still lurk on this board. I was pleased to see everyone's sympathy for Michelle and that no one bashed her - no matter her choices, no one deserves this.

    If she was 19 weeks it is legally still a miscarriage; at 20 weeks it becomes a stillbirth, but that is really just semantics. Even at 17 weeks, I don't consider it a miscarriage because I labored, gave birth in the hospital and held my tiny baby in my arms. She will be doing the same and my heart goes out to her. 

     

    I'm so sorry for your loss.  I have a stillborn at 22weeks last April.  I also had to labor, deliver, hold my sweet baby, and then go home without him. 

    I can't imagine what kind of people think that they deserve this kind of tragedy.  Whether it's your first baby (mine was), or your 21st baby, it is still a child that you love and had hopes and dreams for.  Most people who haven't been through it, can't truly understand.  I know that I didn't truly understand until I went through it.  It was the hardest thing I've ever been through, and is still difficult.  No one deserves that kind of pain, and no baby deserves to die.  My heart breaks for that family.  

     

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    I wonder how long they will wait to have her miscarry naturally?!?  She lost the baby 3 weeks ago and nothing is going on with her body yet.  If she waits too long she runs the risk of infection.  I really hope it goes quickly for her.  I know once I learned my LO passed at 13 weeks I wanted him/her out asap (plus my dr. told me the longer I wait the more chances of me developing an infection).  It was just too depressing to know that he/she was gone but still in my tummy.  My heart truly goes out to her and her family.
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    imagePatella1129:

    I have a FB friend whose status is "I would never wish a miscarriage on anyone, but is it bad that I'm totally okay with Michelle Duggar losing her 20th baby?? Those two are f-ing nuts!"

    I want to respond, "Yes, it is bad.  It's awful, in fact.  A baby died, WTF is wrong with you?"  But I won't b/c I'm chicken like that. 

    Wow, I wouldn't have been able to hold back. I actually did post something on my FB after seeing a bunch of other people basically saying she got what she deserved for getting pg again. It pissed me off.

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