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BubblyToes
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Christianity/religion and homosexuality
BubblyToes
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I highly recommend you read The Year of Living Biblically by AJ Jacobs, specifically pages 264-67. It offers an interesting perspective on the literalism of the Bible and it's views on homosexuality.
Basically it says that the same sex relationships discussed in the Bible are different than those of today. Jesus himself actually said nothing about homosexuality.
When the Bible says not to lie with a man as with a woman, the Bible basically makes no difference between women, slaves, and animals. To lie with another man would be to "disgrace" him by putting him on the same level as a slave or a woman.
Just some food for thought.
Kill all my demons and my angels might die too. -Tennessee Williams
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
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Re: Christianity/religion and homosexuality
So you don't wear clothes of mixed fibers and don't let your husband touch you when you're menstruating?
Not flaming, just asking.
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
LOL!!!!!!!
I hate when clothes of mixed fibers try to sneak their way into my closet. I sprinkle holy water on them and chase them out because the Bible tells me to!!!
This is what I don't get about Christians and politics. They get all up in arms about gays marrying and that is mentioned in the Bible a few times, but you don't see these huge effort to feed the poor which is mentioned 7,000 times in the entire Bible.
I'm sure, worrying about who is sleeping with whom is much better for humanity, though.
Max born July 25
Big sisters Alex and Layla
I have been wanting to get that book...
That is what I don't understand. I respect the fact that some people view it as the word of God and want to follow it strictly. But why the "picking and choosing" of what you follow? It is hypopcritical to get so riled up about some aspects and not others.
I dont pick and choose what I follow. Old Testament law is no longer relavent. So clothes of mixed fiber are not an issue.
I wont argue with people about this. I believe what I believe and you can agree or disagree with me. Flame away if you choose but it wont change anything I believe. People are so quick to judge Christians who disagree with what they choose to believe but, they dont accept that they are doing the exact thing they are judging Christians of doing.
Really, because I don't see the churches getting behind legislation to mandate heath care for all people or to push legislation to help the 20% of children who live in poverty, but every election season I see them out making sure gays can't marry.
I totally respect churches that don't get involved in policitcs, but as a former Bible thumper when churches get involved in politics it's for two issues:
gays and abortions.
interesting.
Max born July 25
Big sisters Alex and Layla
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
The insurance for all thing isnt a religous thing. I don't want the government sticking their nose in my insurance. Religion isnt as simple as black and white people have to remember this
Hmmm...Jaredswife, are you one of the ones that voted that gays should not have equal rights in my political poll a couple of weeks ago?
I'm Christian. I don't believe homosexuality is wrong, but even if I did, I don't believe that the nation should be run by what my religious beliefs are.
I would agree the religion isn't black and white but it really pi$$es me off when Christians are more concerned with regulating what others do, then providing food, shelter, health care and peace to those around the world.
It would seem like that would be the more compasionate pursuit.
Max born July 25
Big sisters Alex and Layla
I can't argue religion very well since I am not traditionally religious, but I do believe in the main tenents of many religions - kindness, forgiveness, "judge lest not ye be judged", etc.
In my humble opinion taking rights away from other people (ie - homosexuals) in no way fits any of that.
Romans
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 Corinthians
6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Timothy
1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine
Here are some references for you of homsexuality in the NEW TESTAMENT.
So funny...I don't think the main tenents of religion are even important to most Christians, sadly. They do seem more concerned with what everyone else is doing and trying to be the morality police. Again, I'm Christian, but I'm very turned off by most organized churches and their purposes. I don't think Jesus would like it, either
You do realize that Jesus himself didn't sit down and write the Bible right? That there was a political process that went into what went into the Bible and what was thrown out, right?
I know I'm not going to change your opinion. I just think it's very sad that you're so openly closed minded.
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
It is the laws in Leviticus that are no longer relavent. They were put in place to cover sin and when Christ came and died for mankind that made the law in Leviticus obsolete. If you are going to argue with me about it at least understand what you are saying.
The entire Old Testament is not irrelavent and that is not what I said.
As far as how I would vote......that is my choice, and you have yours. We all have the opportunity to vote in the way that we believe is best.
I'm coming to this late, but OMFG, "Old Testament law is not longer relevant"????!!!!
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Yes, that's right, the Jews are completely irrelevant and useless. ?Oh, and the TEN FREAKING COMMANDMENTS? ?Wicked outdated. ?
I LOVE how some Xtians like to say that everything that came before them (all couple of thousand years, apparently) are irrelevant. ?I guess it goes along with the "holier than thou" attitude that makes them think they have the right to take basic human rights away from people who don't think like them.?
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So you seriously believe that someone isn't deserving of the same rights as you, because of your religious beliefs?
And you also believe that gays deserve to be put to death, based on the verses you quoted?
Of course I know Jesus did not write the Bible. but, I do believe it is God breathed and everything in it is put there by God through the people who did write it.
I am not close-minded, I just am firm in my beliefs. It doesnt make you open minded because you are pro-gay rights or abortion.
Again, I find it terribly sad that you are so closed minded. And yes, that's judgmental of me, but that's how I feel too.
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
Huh?
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
the Bible also says
1 Cor 11:4
But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is one and the same thing as having a shaved head.
The New Testament says a lot of things.
Max born July 25
Big sisters Alex and Layla
I didnt say anything about Jews. Jews and Christians do not believe all of the same things. that is an area we differ.
Judge me all you want but that makes you no different than who you think I am!
Yeah, actually it does. ?You choose to believe all this stuff. ?Someone who is gay was born that way. ?
I dont' think you were born a "Christian"; you were raised to be one (and I use the term loosely). ?So I can certainly judge that you choose to be hateful towards an entire group of your fellow humans without it being a mirror for your judging homosexuals.?
I could not agree with this more. I am a Christian, but I do take some of the Bible with a grain of salt. I understand what the spirit of Christianity is, and what it means to me. I try to live by that spirit and let a lot of that extra judgmental propaganda roll off my back.
**standing ovation**
You take my ovaries, I take your yarns.
if you really knew me you would never call me hateful! I am not hateful at all.
You cant judge me for what I believe without being hypocritical. you are judging me for judging while you are judging! Doesnt make much sense to me, but whatever!
I am done with this.......I have every right to believe what I do, just like you do! Calling me names or hateful, doesnt hurt me because I knwo who I really am and you do not!
Sorry for the double post...
Anyhow, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. Just because a person does not support gay marriage does not mean they hate homesexuals or believe they do not deserve the same rights as heterosexuals. I think it's rather close-minded to believe that and make that assumption.
And on another note, I can personally speak for my own church, (which is on the conservative end of things) constantly collects food for food pantries, makes mission trips (building two houses in Guatemala currently), does clothing drives for needy, etc... I don't see how that is ignoring people of lesser means.
And what I dont' get and what has always bothered me about Christianity is that Jesus was actually an amazing human being who did nothing to forgive people and love people and try to teach people to love one another. ?I'm not a Christian, but I have a tremendous amount of respect for Jesus as an historical figure and I consider him to be one of our world's greatest teachers.?
That being the case, I have a very hard time understanding how Christians (some of them) can exude such hatred and judgment towards fellow humans. ?Isn't that the exact OPPOSITE of Jesus' message? ?
If homosexuality is in fact "a sin", why not let G-d deal with that when each person meets his/her maker; why cant' we, as humans, emulate Jesus' teaching of acceptance and loving our neighbors?
Just sayin'....?
I think the best part is when she said she can still be open minded even though she's not pro-gay or pro-abortion like Bubbly.
LOL!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, PinkPiano, but saying in one breath that you're against gay marriage and then saying that you think gays should have the same rights as heterosexuals makes absolutely no sense. ?
If someone said that they didnt' think blacks and whites should be allowed to marry, that would absolutely come from a place of intolerance and hatred. Same thing with people against gay marriage. ?You can make it sound good all you want, but being against gay marriage is a decision based in intolerance, fear and hatred. ??
to disagree does not mean you cant love. I can love people for who they whether I agree with their life or not! Hatred and disagree are not the same.
Please realize that unfortunately Christians that have the kind of hatred you are referring to tend to get all the media attention. I truly don't believe most Christians feel hateful towards any group of people.
I feel exactly the way you said and agree that God will deal with the sin and regardless of the sin, I believe if the person believes Jesus Christ is their savior they will indeed be forgiven.
I can't help but comment on this. Jaredswife, you aren't even reading the Bible in its original language. You are most definitely reading a version that was not only translated many times (from Aramaic, to Greek, and to English...if not through more languages) but was also redacted over many many years.
Just a history class, if you can bring yourself to believe in history (and I'm talking about Babylon and the Jewish diaspora history, not dinosaur history), would tell you this much.
jaredswife, I disagree with a lot of things; that doens't mean I think I have the right to strip rights from other human beings. The only time I think it's appropriate to take rights away from another human being is when they've committed a crime, as an individual.
I guess you must think it's righteous of you to pity gays, then? ?You can vote for constitutional amendments against them, but as long as you say 'it's not hate, just disagreement!" you can sleep at night. ?Good for you.