*Flame Free Friday Confessions!*

ChrissyLonghorn

I don't see the point in getting the hospital tour.  I'm pretty sure someone will tell me where I need to be when I get to the hospital.

mrsmikey

Tyler's gal:

So what exactly are they feeling? Not trying to be bitchy but when I press on my stomach when baby is kicking I can feel it outside my stomach on my hand. It's not hard but it's at the same time that baby is kicking

It's probably b/c you can feel it from in inside too.  It's actually very difficult to distinguish yourself inside feeling from outside feeling.  It's almost like your mind is playing tricks on you. 

khonaker

veronicafvr:

I know you're not looking for replys but 100% without a doubt, the first time DH felt the baby kick from the outside was at 18 weeks I think. Now we feel her every night and sometimes the kicks are so strong you can see my shirt move with the little kicks. At the u/s on Tuesday the tech even got kicked and she commented how strong it was.

You have a little soccer player on your hands!!

BlueEyedBoyMeetsABrownEyedGirl

Well, this FFC may mark me down as the most insensitive b!tch ever, but here goes.

I ride the train to/from work every day, about an hour ride each way, and I sit on the "quiet car" (no talking, phone noises, music blaring through headphones, etc.).  I do this because I usually sleep, and generally like the peace and quiet.  Well, there is this lady who has a portable oxygen tank who sits on the quiet car EVERY TIME.  For the last two days, she has been sitting across the aisle from me and has kept me from catching some precious extra moments of sleep.  The tank makes this humming noise and a rhythmic "puf" sound every 2 seconds and drives me crazzzy.  If it makes noise, it shouldn't be on the quiet car, right?  But no one says anything to her because she has an oxygen tank.  Thank you for letting me vent, even though you're secretly

megank27

amandaloren:

Pina:

I have been to many NSYNC and JT concerts and if JT ever went on tour again, I would be getting a babysitter and going.  I have one friend that would go with me and we keep it a secret from all our other friends so we don't get made fun of. 

LOL, too funny I've seen N'sync and backstreet boys in concert before. I used to be obsessed with the backstreet boys back in middle scool:)

I've seen NSYNC multiple times and 98 degrees once. I don't think I'd go to a JT concert, but I would definitely go to an NSYNC concert with my friends to reminisce.

cheezemonger

natkay02:

Katywren:

And it was ASKING for opinions so I gave mine, which is at least well researched, as opposed to just doing what every one else is doing because you never gave it any thought!  It irritates me when people put more thought into the pattern of the bedding in their babies crib than to giving their baby cosmetic surgery at birth.

I've done my research (all on un-biased, professional medical websites) and am still on the fence about it. It has its pros and cons. But if I were to decide to circumsize based purely on the fact that DH is and he likes his pen!s the way it is, then I don't understand how should concern you.

That's why they call them OPINIONS.  Opinions were asked for, so I gave mine.  You can do whatever you want, free country and all.  Just because I feel more passionately than others, doesn't mean that everyone isn't entitled to an opinion.  We all judge other's actions, there's no way getting around that.

 I think it's good that you have done your research, hopefully you shared it with your husband who ultimately got to make the decision.  That's the funny thing, no one is asking him to chop off part of his penis, someone chose that for him and he's making the choice for someone else.

I guess what they say is true "Opinions are just like a**holes.  Everyone's got one and they are usually best kept to yourself."   

JenniferAnnes

ChrissyLonghorn:

I don't see the point in getting the hospital tour.  I'm pretty sure someone will tell me where I need to be when I get to the hospital.

I don't think it's necessary, but we're doing one because I think it will help relieve some of my anxiety...maybe make the place seem more familiar/comfortable when the time comes?  Plus, the hospital I'm delivering at is huge, and at this point I couldn't even tell you where we're supposed to park, or what building to go in.  Being able to figure all that out without the pain/stress of being in labor makes me feel much better!

dianamcu

hollywreath:

I watch the Royal Wedding this moring and LIKED it.

I get SO tired of ppl talking about they want to watch the news and the wedding is in the way. PLEASE. When it's on normally, yo ass doesn't watch it, but now you need to know if the birth certificate is real and what else Trumps has come up with? LOL

Every morning, I wake up and watch the news that ABC has on at 4AM.  Generally, it's good, non BS news (like all this crap about Trump and Obama, Lohan, etc) like the tornados affecting the South, current weather, money scope report, etc.  I was mad when I saw the wedding was on and turned it to the sports channel.

mrsmikey

ChrissyLonghorn:

I don't see the point in getting the hospital tour.  I'm pretty sure someone will tell me where I need to be when I get to the hospital.

I didn't get one with DS, and I wish I had.  It is really nice to have an idea of what to expect before you get there.  And it's a good opportunity to ask questions about procedures and policies, etc.  Even though this is my second, I'm still going to take a hospital tour b/c there is still alot that I feel like I don't know, even now. 

Things like, do you labor and deliver in the same room?  Does baby room in or go to the nursery?  What about policies on IVs, fetal monitoring, etc?  Even if you don't care about any of those things, it's still nice to know what to expect.  KWIM?  Where is the waiting room?  Just so it's not a completely strange place and you're somewhat familiar with the surroundings.

hollywreath

dianamcu:

hollywreath:

I watch the Royal Wedding this moring and LIKED it.

I get SO tired of ppl talking about they want to watch the news and the wedding is in the way. PLEASE. When it's on normally, yo ass doesn't watch it, but now you need to know if the birth certificate is real and what else Trumps has come up with? LOL

Every morning, I wake up and watch the news that ABC has on at 4AM.  Generally, it's good, non BS news (like all this crap about Trump and Obama, Lohan, etc) like the tornados affecting the South, current weather, money scope report, etc.  I was mad when I saw the wedding was on and turned it to the sports channel.

I was referring to some ppl, not all. I watch the news every morning and am thankful the wedding wasn't on yesterday when we had the tornados here in GA. But I'm pretty sure, if it were, they would have did the damage coverage, not the wedding.

mrsmikey

Katywren:

natkay02:

Katywren:

And it was ASKING for opinions so I gave mine, which is at least well researched, as opposed to just doing what every one else is doing because you never gave it any thought!  It irritates me when people put more thought into the pattern of the bedding in their babies crib than to giving their baby cosmetic surgery at birth.

I've done my research (all on un-biased, professional medical websites) and am still on the fence about it. It has its pros and cons. But if I were to decide to circumsize based purely on the fact that DH is and he likes his pen!s the way it is, then I don't understand how should concern you.

That's why they call them OPINIONS.  Opinions were asked for, so I gave mine.  You can do whatever you want, free country and all.  Just because I feel more passionately than others, doesn't mean that everyone isn't entitled to an opinion.  We all judge other's actions, there's no way getting around that.

 I think it's good that you have done your research, hopefully you shared it with your husband who ultimately got to make the decision.  That's the funny thing, no one is asking him to chop off part of his penis, someone chose that for him and he's making the choice for someone else.

I guess what they say is true "Opinions are just like a**holes.  Everyone's got one and they are usually best kept to yourself."   

Yeah, but your OPINIONS come with a large side of JUDGMENT. 

Your comment about pro-circ moms having girls being a relief to you was just harsh, and it didn't go un-noticed. 

It must be nice living in your head, how is the weather up there?

jen102279

Traycee1242:

I had to call poison control not once, but TWICE this week.

On Wednesday, we found DS eating my TUMS (I stupidly left them out in the family room)

And today, I went to the bathroom and came out and he had climbed up on the chair, got into the diaper bag, opened the Pepcid Complete and was happily chowing down.

I feel like such a bad Mom.

FWIW he's absolutely fine... Only had 1, maybe 2. And poison control said it's fine.

 

wow, your little man sure likes antacids Glad he's ok!!

dianamcu

hollywreath:

I was referring to some ppl, not all. I watch the news every morning and am thankful the wedding wasn't on yesterday when we had the tornados here in GA. But I'm pretty sure, if it were, they would have did the damage coverage, not the wedding.

Gotcha!  yeah, I am in SC so I definitely wanted to hear the news on the severe weather.  I would hope they would interrupt the wedding, but probably not at 4am since it's not even local news.  It's some national morning news.

Mrs.K23

My FFFC:

1. DH and I haven't had sexy time in a  long time and I kind of feel bad but I just have no drive. Then I think about the fact that we're going to have even less sex after the baby comes and I feel guilty.

2. I don't give a crap if you circumsize your kid or not, if you bf or not, if you use bumpers in your crib, if you co-sleep,  if you pierce your kids ears, if you have a medicated, unmedicated or something else kind of birth (my kind is the hit you over the head with a frying pan and wake me up when its over  - j/k - sort of).  It's your baby, do what is right for you and don't let a bunch of strangers influence your decision.  I'm sick of people telling me what to do and why I should do it their way and when I say I'm not, I know they are judging me.  Well judge away because it's my vagina, my ute and my baby so as long as DH and I and Baby Girl are happy that is all I care about.

 3. I judge people who do things differently then me. HAHA! (wait can you sense sarcasm in this one

chargermama

My FFFC:

I think it is rude when women say, "Oh you didn't really get to experience birth because you had a c/s".  Oh really??? Becasue it makes someone less of a woamn or mother becasue they had to have e c/s for medical reasons??  AWESOME....

womancake

I'm getting ready to go to the donut shop.  I have a wheat sensitivity, and I don't need the sugar.  I really shouldn't have a donut.  But dammit, I just can't stop thinking about it, and I HAVE to have it!

ETA: I just finished eating 2 long-johns.  They were heavenly.

soon2Bkranz

I eat dinner alone with my kids most nights. SO to keep us entertained I ask questions...anything from name 2 of the 7 dwarfs to who is the president who is the mayor.

They enjoy it and have learned a lot from it...But the other day my 3 yr old saw a black reporter on tv and started yelling President Obama...

jennyhazz

veronicafvr:

womancake:

BUT...sometimes coming here is mentally exhausting for me.  Having all these different strong opinions flying around can really overwhelm me sometimes--it's like I can't hear myself think because there are all these other voices floating around in my head.  I think I'm just getting to the point in my pregnancy where everything is getting real, and there are all these things we're trying to figure out, and seeing all the back and forth about why this is right or that is wrong can just get to me sometimes.  So I've been backing off a little, for my own sanity.

!!!!! Couldn't agree more! That's why when there is a hot topic post I don't even open it 80% of the time. It's just too much to digest and try and remember who's stance on what to get involved properly. My job and IRL issues are enough to exhaust me after a full day so a lot of the time I stick to the more simple threads without moral, political, or debatable topics.

mishele

Mrs.K23:

My FFFC:

1. DH and I haven't had sexy time in a  long time and I kind of feel bad but I just have no drive. Then I think about the fact that we're going to have even less sex after the baby comes and I feel guilty.

I feel the same way.  It's been a while and DH has been so wonderful.  I feel really guilty about it.  Maybe I'll have to do something about that this weekend.

My FFFC:

-I've been sucked into the wedding hoopla.  I didn't wake up at 4am this morning or anything, but I did watch all the nonsense shows about the royal family leading up to today.  I even watched the craptastic Lifetime movie about Will & Kate's relationship.    Not proud.  Not proud at all.

jaymiegerard

We're keeping our home birth a secret from family, simply because we don't want to hear what they have to say about it!

Amanda&EricB

mrsmikey:

ChrissyLonghorn:

I don't see the point in getting the hospital tour.  I'm pretty sure someone will tell me where I need to be when I get to the hospital.

I didn't get one with DS, and I wish I had.  It is really nice to have an idea of what to expect before you get there.  And it's a good opportunity to ask questions about procedures and policies, etc.  Even though this is my second, I'm still going to take a hospital tour b/c there is still alot that I feel like I don't know, even now. 

Things like, do you labor and deliver in the same room?  Does baby room in or go to the nursery?  What about policies on IVs, fetal monitoring, etc?  Even if you don't care about any of those things, it's still nice to know what to expect.  KWIM?  Where is the waiting room?  Just so it's not a completely strange place and you're somewhat familiar with the surroundings.

Thank you mrsmikey for taking the words right out of my mouth!  I have no doubt that come delivery day, there will be plenty of people pointing me in the right direction. I almost think the tour should be called something else, because it's not ONLY to see where things are. Like mentioned, it's a chance to ask questions, see how things are laid out (maybe your DH would like to know where the waiting room is in regards to the labor rooms), etc.

Also, I am taking one because there are certain things I want to see for myself.

Mrs.K23

Okay, sorry I have one more confession:

I want to be a princess!!! Oh my gosh the fairy tale of it all. I am so not girly or into pomp and circ and I don't really envy the male pattern baldness of the royal family, but my gosh, how can you not envy a little girl who actually grew up to be a princess! I say this, as I sit in my sad little office, typing away in my $9 maternity shirt from old navy.  So yes, flame me away, but I confess, I this morning I looked at Kate and her wedding day glow and I thought, oh to be a princess. 

amandaloren

Katywren:

natkay02:

Katywren:

And it was ASKING for opinions so I gave mine, which is at least well researched, as opposed to just doing what every one else is doing because you never gave it any thought!  It irritates me when people put more thought into the pattern of the bedding in their babies crib than to giving their baby cosmetic surgery at birth.

I've done my research (all on un-biased, professional medical websites) and am still on the fence about it. It has its pros and cons. But if I were to decide to circumsize based purely on the fact that DH is and he likes his pen!s the way it is, then I don't understand how should concern you.

That's why they call them OPINIONS.  Opinions were asked for, so I gave mine.  You can do whatever you want, free country and all.  Just because I feel more passionately than others, doesn't mean that everyone isn't entitled to an opinion.  We all judge other's actions, there's no way getting around that.

 I think it's good that you have done your research, hopefully you shared it with your husband who ultimately got to make the decision.  That's the funny thing, no one is asking him to chop off part of his penis, someone chose that for him and he's making the choice for someone else.

I guess what they say is true "Opinions are just like a**holes.  Everyone's got one and they are usually best kept to yourself."   

lol, your statement reminded me of this picture:)

Mrs.K23

MrsMichelleB:

Mrs.K23:

Okay, sorry I have one more confession:

I want to be a princess!!! Oh my gosh the fairy tale of it all. I am so not girly or into pomp and circ and I don't really envy the male pattern baldness of the royal family, but my gosh, how can you not envy a little girl who actually grew up to be a princess! I say this, as I sit in my sad little office, typing away in my $9 maternity shirt from old navy.  So yes, flame me away, but I confess, I this morning I looked at Kate and her wedding day glow and I thought, oh to be a princess. 

Don't worry so do I want to be a princess. I was amazed that her title is not princess though - it's Royal Highness Dutchess of Cambridge. Either way I will live vicariously through this daughter I'm going to have and buy her tiaras and big pretty dresses. Hopefully she won't ever tell me she doesn't like them.  

 Totally!  I always thought I'd raise my daughter more tomboyish because that's how I am, but this little girl is getting tiaras and poofy dresses as long as her heart desires them!   We will totally be playing princess bride...as you wish!

valzee

Here's my FFFC: I've been looking at some forums on other pregnancy sites, and they make me feel superior at our collective ability here on TB to actually spell and use punctuation correctly! It's kind of amazing the difference between those boards and this one. I don't participate on those because I feel like if you can only get your message across in text-message language, I really don't want to waste my time trying to respond with a complete thought.

cheezemonger

jmg1029:

JenniferAnnes:

ChrissyLonghorn:

I don't see the point in getting the hospital tour.  I'm pretty sure someone will tell me where I need to be when I get to the hospital.

I don't think it's necessary, but we're doing one because I think it will help relieve some of my anxiety...maybe make the place seem more familiar/comfortable when the time comes?  Plus, the hospital I'm delivering at is huge, and at this point I couldn't even tell you where we're supposed to park, or what building to go in.  Being able to figure all that out without the pain/stress of being in labor makes me feel much better!

I see your point and never really thought about it being pointless.  But I have to agree with Jennifer - I could just see my husband having no clue where to go and it being more stressful for me.  I'm also one of those people that drives to a new place the night before, just so I know where I am going!

ETA: I just left work with the intention of going to Panera for a nice salad.  I was approaching a McDonald's and thought how good nuggets and fries sounded.  Sooo, I went there instead...bad mommy! (I NEVER ate fast food before pregnancy!)

Just wanted to say thanks for the reminder.  Just scheduled my hospital tour.   

hollywreath

LOL! I felt the same way about being a princess and I was never a little girl who was obsessed with that type of thing.

italnprncss78

amandaloren:

Pina:

I have been to many NSYNC and JT concerts and if JT ever went on tour again, I would be getting a babysitter and going.  I have one friend that would go with me and we keep it a secret from all our other friends so we don't get made fun of. 

LOL, too funny I've seen N'sync and backstreet boys in concert before. I used to be obsessed with the backstreet boys back in middle scool:)

I am totally going to the NKOTBSB concert this summer!!

exoh

natkay02:

I picture like fairies and unicorns in the room delivering some ogre baby when you say unnatural.

If that is the definition of unnatural, sign me up for an unnatural birth, please!  That would be AWESOME!

italnprncss78

natkay02:

nikkimouse323:

I have a friend who desperately lacks common sense.  I posted on Facebook last week that I had scheduled my childbirth classes.  She comes back with a post, "Well, I never took any classes.  Good luck though."  

I wrote back explaining that I am planning on a natural, no medication delivery.  She responds with, "Oh it doesn't hurt, I would think the contractions would be the only painful part."

HELLO CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!!!  

So I asked her if she had her baby naturally, her response, "Yes, but with an epidural."

 

UGH!  I SEE STUPID PEOPLE! 

She does seem super dumb, not to take away from that, but my UO is that having an epidural does NOT make a birth unnatural.

I agree.

cheezemonger

exoh:

natkay02:

I picture like fairies and unicorns in the room delivering some ogre baby when you say unnatural.

If that is the definition of unnatural, sign me up for an unnatural birth, please!  That would be AWESOME!

Unnatural.... or SUPERNATURAL!  That's what I'm shooting for.  I'm giving birth on the back of a Pegasus while flying over a rainbow.  Oh yeah!

Phoebe623

I get annoyed when I read posts anywhere on the bump or the nest for that matter from posters who complain about lack of money, etc, but then post expensive "stuff" that they just bought.

In the last few days alone I have seen designer shoes, crib set, and  a designer bag and when I see the poster I just cringe. 

We purchased a fairly inexpensive crib set, plan on buying a used breast pump, and will search garage sales for clothes.  I don't understand why that isn't more "acceptable" to some....

msmarsh

natkay02:

womancake:

I don't know that I can get on board with using an epidural and still calling it natural, but I get where you're coming from.  FWIW, I think "unmedicated" is really what most people mean when they say "natural birth."

That's awesome and more power to you. I think there are a ton of benefits to having an unmedicated birth and I think that's great that you (and a lot of women on here) plan on doing it. I would never presume to know what's best for anyone other than myself or try to sway someone one way or the other. But when people say "natural" it fires me up because it makes me feel like the person is intentionally or unintentionally judging my choice.

ITA. I don't think everyone who uses the term means for it to come across that way, but you definitely run in to a lot of sanctimommies (love that term!) here on TB who probably never would have even given it a second thought IRL. 

I think everyone has the right to choose the birth plan they think they want, but it doesn't make you any better than the next mama come D-day.

My FFFC: I have felt pretty darn fabulous throughout this pregnancy so far and I am so happy about that. I was inundated with warnings of "what's to come" and how horrible I would feel/look/act. I love it when I run into those people now and updating them about how great I feel 

I also love telling those same women that my Dr said it was perfectly fine to drink caffeine during pregnancy. They act like I'm throwing back a six pack of Bud Light!

sunflower8710

I am terrified for our anatomy scan in T minus 5 days.

I am terrified for Labor and Delivery. I only want DH and my mom in there, but we have a plethora of people who think they will in there and I have no idea how to broach the subject. 

I don't feel well at all today and have to work this evening, I should be cleaning our disgusting/neglected house (been in exam mode for awhile at the library till late), but I have vertigo and a tummy ache and DH will probably end up doing some dishes when he gets home from work later.

Azrayla

sunflower8710:

I am terrified for our anatomy scan in T minus 5 days.

I am terrified for Labor and Delivery. I only want DH and my mom in there, but we have a plethora of people who think they will in there and I have no idea how to broach the subject. 

I don't feel well at all today and have to work this evening, I should be cleaning our disgusting/neglected house (been in exam mode for awhile at the library till late), but I have vertigo and a tummy ache and DH will probably end up doing some dishes when he gets home from work later.

for the hospital.. I was afraid of the people coming in and out as well and just it as a whole.. but really it isn't a lot of people.. I had one nurse when I arrived then she switched out with a different lady.. so it was my mom dh nurse and dr that saw my girly bits even when I got an epi I was covered up .. and the baby nurses didn't bother me..

Honestly hate to say it but I agree with the people that say when you're in the moment, you really wont care..

sunflower8710

Azrayla:

sunflower8710:

I am terrified for our anatomy scan in T minus 5 days.

I am terrified for Labor and Delivery. I only want DH and my mom in there, but we have a plethora of people who think they will in there and I have no idea how to broach the subject. 

I don't feel well at all today and have to work this evening, I should be cleaning our disgusting/neglected house (been in exam mode for awhile at the library till late), but I have vertigo and a tummy ache and DH will probably end up doing some dishes when he gets home from work later.

for the hospital.. I was afraid of the people coming in and out as well and just it as a whole.. but really it isn't a lot of people.. I had one nurse when I arrived then she switched out with a different lady.. so it was my mom dh nurse and dr that saw my girly bits even when I got an epi I was covered up .. and the baby nurses didn't bother me..

 

Honestly hate to say it but I agree with the people that say when you're in the moment, you really wont care..

 

You don't know my MIL 

lily87

1. To the poster who was surprised Kate didn't get the title "princess", I think it was Michele...that is because the title isn't appropriate. By marrying Prince William, she is technically a princess- Her Royal Highness, Princess William of Wales. (In addition to being a Duchess, Baroness and Countess). But, she can't have the title Princess Kate- because she was not born a royal. The only princesses with the title Princess and then their name are the Crown Princesses Margaret, Beatrice and Eugenie...but they were born royalty. The Queen's other sons' wives don't have the title Princess either. And, Diana was not a crown princess but was officially the Princess of Wales. People did call her Princess Di, but that was not her official title.

2. To the poster who asked why people who are against circumcision give people who do it for religious reasons a free pass...I don't think this is illogical depending on why you are against it. I am against it for my son. I don't care what other people do. And, the post yesterday asked for opinions and in particular to explain why you came to the decision for or against. Now, I know no one is necessarily singling me out, but when a post asks me how I came to a decision, I am going to give the full explanation. I think I wrote it without judgment...but obviously, if you disagree on the issue with me you might infer from what I am saying that I would be judgmental about your reasons for your choice.

For example, my main reason was that the medical community says that there are no significant medical benefits to the procedure and don't recommend it. Essentially that it is an unnecessary surgery. If I say that I don't want to put my child through an unnecessary surgery...then one could infer that I am saying if you choose to circumcise that I think that is what you are doing (even though I didn't say that). You can read into any opinion on any topic this way. So, unless someone blatantly tells you that you are mutilating your child or is being purposely offensive to you in particular, I think it is strange to get upset when someone is expressing their opinion which is different and therefore at odds with your own. Because we all do it, every day on practically every subject on this board. 

And, like I said, I don't care what other people choose to do. I just know I don't want to do it based on the reasons I listed which were what were requested by the OP.

In terms of the religion thing, because I don't care if other people do it...I guess I would say that, yes. I think it is an unnecessary, cosmetic surgery and that is the biggest reason why I am against it. But, for someone who is religious...it is necessary to them (while it may not be to me). If this is a major tenant of their religion, who am I to say it is wrong? But, since it is not a tenant of the Catholic faith of which I am (and who incidentally have been against it for centuries- though plenty of American Catholics get circumcised), I don't find it necessary from that perspective and am making my judgment off of science and medical advice. Does that make any sense?

Finally, I don't understand how people can say they find uncircumcised penis' gross and then say they have never seen one? A pic doesn't seem like it would be that reliable for such a blanket statement. Personally, I think that is social custom coming out.

mrsmikey

Azrayla:

sunflower8710:

I am terrified for our anatomy scan in T minus 5 days.

I am terrified for Labor and Delivery. I only want DH and my mom in there, but we have a plethora of people who think they will in there and I have no idea how to broach the subject. 

I don't feel well at all today and have to work this evening, I should be cleaning our disgusting/neglected house (been in exam mode for awhile at the library till late), but I have vertigo and a tummy ache and DH will probably end up doing some dishes when he gets home from work later.

for the hospital.. I was afraid of the people coming in and out as well and just it as a whole.. but really it isn't a lot of people.. I had one nurse when I arrived then she switched out with a different lady.. so it was my mom dh nurse and dr that saw my girly bits even when I got an epi I was covered up .. and the baby nurses didn't bother me..

 

Honestly hate to say it but I agree with the people that say when you're in the moment, you really wont care..

I think she's talking about people she knows.  Family members and all. 

Just say no.  Don't worry about hurt feelings or making people mad.  This is not something you compromise on.  Tell them they can wait in the waiting room, or stay at home and visit later. 

DS was born early, before we really had a birth plan, and we hadn't told anyone about who we wanted in the room or anything like that.  So when MIL got to the hospital, she just walked right into the room.  We said hello, and promptly sent her out to the waiting room.  Really didn't cross my mind how she'd feel about that, and really didn't care. 

Tell the nurses not to let anyone in, and they won't.  Tell your MIL only 2 people are allowed in the room and make it the hospital's fault if you want to.  I'm sure there is a limit to how many people they allow in there, but it doesn't matter. 

mrsmikey

lily87:

2. To the poster who asked why people who are against circumcision give people who do it for religious reasons a free pass...I don't think this is illogical depending on why you are against it. I am against it for my son. I don't care what other people do. And, the post yesterday asked for opinions and in particular to explain why you came to the decision for or against. Now, I know no one is necessarily singling me out, but when a post asks me how I came to a decision, I am going to give the full explanation. I think I wrote it without judgment...but obviously, if you disagree on the issue with me you might infer from what I am saying that I would be judgmental about your reasons for your choice.

For example, my main reason was that the medical community says that there are no significant medical benefits to the procedure and don't recommend it. Essentially that it is an unnecessary surgery. If I say that I don't want to put my child through an unnecessary surgery...then one could infer that I am saying if you choose to circumcise that I think that is what you are doing (even though I didn't say that). You can read into any opinion on any topic this way. So, unless someone blatantly tells you that you are mutilating your child or is being purposely offensive to you in particular, I think it is strange to get upset when someone is expressing their opinion which is different and therefore at odds with your own. Because we all do it, every day on practically every subject on this board. 

And, like I said, I don't care what other people choose to do. I just know I don't want to do it based on the reasons I listed which were what were requested by the OP.

In terms of the religion thing, because I don't care if other people do it...I guess I would say that, yes. I think it is an unnecessary, cosmetic surgery and that is the biggest reason why I am against it. But, for someone who is religious...it is necessary to them (while it may not be to me). If this is a major tenant of their religion, who am I to say it is wrong? But, since it is not a tenant of the Catholic faith of which I am (and who incidentally have been against it for centuries- though plenty of American Catholics get circumcised), I don't find it necessary from that perspective and am making my judgment off of science and medical advice. Does that make any sense?

Finally, I don't understand how people can say they find uncircumcised penis' gross and then say they have never seen one? A pic doesn't seem like it would be that reliable for such a blanket statement. Personally, I think that is social custom coming out.

That was me, and I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying.  I wasn't saying you shouldn't be able to explain your reasoning behind not circumcising.  I don't care what other people do either.  But alot of people do.  Those are the people I'm referring to.  The people that say "I don't circ, and I think those that do are cruel".  Then someone says "well I circ based on our religion" and the person just says ok and moves on.  That's the logic I don't understand.  You are not one of those people. 

If religion is part of your decision (either way) that's fine.  I didn't say that isn't a justified explanation.  I just meant if you thinks it's a horrific crime (and some people on here do) then when someone used the religious reason to back their decision, it doesn't make sense that the anti-circ person should let it go.

Again, only talking about those people who DO judge others for circ'ing. 

ETA:  this isn't even necessarily about yesterday's debate, I wasn't even around for that.  just something that's always bugged me about the circ debate

lily87

MrsMichelleB:

lily87:

1. To the poster who was surprised Kate didn't get the title "princess", I think it was Michele...that is because the title isn't appropriate. By marrying Prince William, she is technically a princess- Her Royal Highness, Princess William of Wales. (In addition to being a Duchess, Baroness and Countess). But, she can't have the title Princess Kate- because she was not born a royal. The only princesses with the title Princess and then their name are the Crown Princesses Margaret, Beatrice and Eugenie...but they were born royalty. The Queen's other sons' wives don't have the title Princess either. And, Diana was not a crown princess but was officially the Princess of Wales. People did call her Princess Di, but that was not her official title.

It was me that was very confused on this. So when we talk about her and the media talks about her, will / should it be Princess or Duchess that she is referred to as? When William takes throne as King will she be called Queen or just her Royal Highness?  

For now, when she is talked about officially she will be referred to as the Duchess of Cambridge. Depending on the media outlet, they will probably not be official and call her Princess Catherine. I feel like only very accurate media sources will bother to get it right. Technically she is a princess, so it isn't wrong in theory. It is just the wrong title. But, that is what they did with Diana, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do it with her.

If William takes the throne, she will be Her Royal Highness, the Queen Consort, so not the Queen of England, because William will be the head of state and not her. The title Queen of England is only if the Queen is the head of state like in the current situation with Queen Elizabeth II being the descendant and not her husband Prince Philip. But, people will call her Queen Catherine and drop the consort suffix. She will also still be a Duchess, Baroness and Countess.

Prince Philip is still called that because he was also born a Prince of Greece and Denmark.