Heartbeat Bill

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Ohio bill would ban abortions once heartbeat is detected  

By Jon Craig, February 7, 2011

COLUMBUS - Legislation set to be introduced Wednesday at the Statehouse is seen by both sides of the abortion issue as a likely test case that could end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.

State Rep. Lynn Wachtmann, a Republican from Henry County, drafted the bill to ban abortions in Ohio once a fetus' heartbeat is detected.

Lori Viars of Lebanon, vice president of Warren County Right to Life, said the wording of the bill was being reviewed by legislative experts on Monday. The heartbeat of a fetus is typically detected as early as six to eight weeks.

Supporters of the ban plan an 11 a.m. Statehouse news conference Wednesday and have set up a website, www.HeartBeatBill.com, to raise money to send all 99 Ohio House members red, heart-shaped balloons by Valentine's Day. Republicans control 60 House seats. Forty of 99 representatives have signed onto the bill.

It is the first proposal of its kind in the nation, with Texas, Georgia and Oklahoma among states watching closely.

Kellie Copeland, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio, predicted such legislation - if it becomes state law - "would be immediately challenged in court." Viars said abortion opponents hope any challenge to the "heartbeat bill" will end up before the U.S. Supreme Court.

According to state Health Department statistics, more than one-fourth of the 28,721 abortions in Ohio in 2009 occurred during the first six weeks of pregnancy.

The Associated Press contributed

Dreamsicle23

This is a terrible idea.  There are way too many variables. 

CodyGH

Dreamsicle23:

This is a terrible idea.  There are way too many variables. 

I agree.  I think it's best if I don't comment any more on this topic.  ::zips mouth shut::

ash07a

I second that ...   Really bad idea ..

Roxpup

Dreamsicle23:

This is a terrible idea.  There are way too many variables. 

This, exactly.

sourpatchkids

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

rubredvelvet

How horrible, nothing like being guilted into a very serious decision...

Dreamsicle23

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

Because someone might be able to detect a heartbeat at 6 weeks, some at 8, some at 10.  Sometimes they can find it, then can't the next day.  If they want to put a limit on things, it needs to be based on something concrete, like X number of weeks or something like that.

And by "detect" I don't know if they mean see on an ultrasound, or hear on a doppler.

ash07a

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

sourpatchkids

Dreamsicle23:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

Because someone might be able to detect a heartbeat at 6 weeks, some at 8, some at 10.  Sometimes they can find it, then can't the next day.  If they want to put a limit on things, it needs to be based on something concrete, like X number of weeks or something like that.

And by "detect" I don't know if they mean see on an ultrasound, or hear on a doppler.

Thanks, dream!

I didn't think about that really. But you're right. I heard B's HB at his us at 6w, but then at 10 weeks we couldn't detect it by doppler. It should be more concrete.

However, I know I'm going to be in the minority in this, but I am glad to see they are doing something.

 

sourpatchkids

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

No flames at all. While I disagree and am pro-life, I see your reasoning and therefore no flames

My friend's roomate had an abortion this past year. She seriously went out clubbing almost every night and every week she was with a different guy. She did not use protection and wound up pregnant. She had an abortion at 6 weeks. She still goes out clubbing all the time, she still sleeps with different guys every week, and she may or may not use protection now.

I know there are millions of different scenarios for winding up in an abortion clinic. The only time I feel sorry for someone in that position is if they were raped or if the mother's life is at stake. You know, the "either the baby dies or they both die" kind of thing. Both are awful, awful situations to be in.

Other than that, if anyone is fooling around with or without protection I feel that they need to take responsibility for their actions. I do not feel that having an abortion is taking responsibility. There are plenty of couples out there who are yearning for a child.

ash07a

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

No flames at all. While I disagree and am pro-life, I see your reasoning and therefore no flames

My friend's roomate had an abortion this past year. She seriously went out clubbing almost every night and every week she was with a different guy. She did not use protection and wound up pregnant. She had an abortion at 6 weeks. She still goes out clubbing all the time, she still sleeps with different guys every week, and she may or may not use protection now.

I know there are millions of different scenarios for winding up in an abortion clinic. The only time I feel sorry for someone in that position is if they were raped or if the mother's life is at stake. You know, the "either the baby dies or they both die" kind of thing. Both are awful, awful situations to be in.

Other than that, if anyone is fooling around with or without protection I feel that they need to take responsibility for their actions. I do not feel that having an abortion is taking responsibility. There are plenty of couples out there who are yearning for a child.

I agree with a lot of what you said .. I don't believe you should be using abortions as if it is birth control . An I do believe there needs to be a time limit on it . Like in my state it is 15 weeks and you have to view an u/s before having it done . I just think they are putting to short of a time frame on it with the heartbeat law . I am Pro Choice only because I don't think any law should be able to force a women to carry a child .  I do think there needs to be laws in place that regulate when, where, and how abortions can be done.

sourpatchkids

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

No flames at all. While I disagree and am pro-life, I see your reasoning and therefore no flames

My friend's roomate had an abortion this past year. She seriously went out clubbing almost every night and every week she was with a different guy. She did not use protection and wound up pregnant. She had an abortion at 6 weeks. She still goes out clubbing all the time, she still sleeps with different guys every week, and she may or may not use protection now.

I know there are millions of different scenarios for winding up in an abortion clinic. The only time I feel sorry for someone in that position is if they were raped or if the mother's life is at stake. You know, the "either the baby dies or they both die" kind of thing. Both are awful, awful situations to be in.

Other than that, if anyone is fooling around with or without protection I feel that they need to take responsibility for their actions. I do not feel that having an abortion is taking responsibility. There are plenty of couples out there who are yearning for a child.

I agree with a lot of what you said .. I don't believe you should be using abortions as if it is birth control . An I do believe there needs to be a time limit on it . Like in my state it is 15 weeks and you have to view an u/s before having it done . I just think they are putting to short of a time frame on it with the heartbeat law . I am Pro Choice only because I don't think any law should be able to force a women to carry a child .  I do think there needs to be laws in place that regulate when, where, and how abortions can be done.

I respect your opinion - I know a lot of people have the exact same view that you do. A lot of people are not pro-abortion, but are pro-choice because they feel that every woman has a choice and no one should be able to make that decision for them. Is that what you believe? Anyways, I guess I'd like to see abortions banned all together unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy, which I know will never happen.

 

bride2bsoon

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

No flames at all. While I disagree and am pro-life, I see your reasoning and therefore no flames

My friend's roomate had an abortion this past year. She seriously went out clubbing almost every night and every week she was with a different guy. She did not use protection and wound up pregnant. She had an abortion at 6 weeks. She still goes out clubbing all the time, she still sleeps with different guys every week, and she may or may not use protection now.

I know there are millions of different scenarios for winding up in an abortion clinic. The only time I feel sorry for someone in that position is if they were raped or if the mother's life is at stake. You know, the "either the baby dies or they both die" kind of thing. Both are awful, awful situations to be in.

Other than that, if anyone is fooling around with or without protection I feel that they need to take responsibility for their actions. I do not feel that having an abortion is taking responsibility. There are plenty of couples out there who are yearning for a child.

What happens if she doesn't have a choice and continues to drink, smoke, use drugs while she is pregnant?  Or if she has an STD and gets no prenatal care? I agree with other posters that there are too many variables.

ash07a

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

No flames at all. While I disagree and am pro-life, I see your reasoning and therefore no flames

My friend's roomate had an abortion this past year. She seriously went out clubbing almost every night and every week she was with a different guy. She did not use protection and wound up pregnant. She had an abortion at 6 weeks. She still goes out clubbing all the time, she still sleeps with different guys every week, and she may or may not use protection now.

I know there are millions of different scenarios for winding up in an abortion clinic. The only time I feel sorry for someone in that position is if they were raped or if the mother's life is at stake. You know, the "either the baby dies or they both die" kind of thing. Both are awful, awful situations to be in.

Other than that, if anyone is fooling around with or without protection I feel that they need to take responsibility for their actions. I do not feel that having an abortion is taking responsibility. There are plenty of couples out there who are yearning for a child.

I agree with a lot of what you said .. I don't believe you should be using abortions as if it is birth control . An I do believe there needs to be a time limit on it . Like in my state it is 15 weeks and you have to view an u/s before having it done . I just think they are putting to short of a time frame on it with the heartbeat law . I am Pro Choice only because I don't think any law should be able to force a women to carry a child .  I do think there needs to be laws in place that regulate when, where, and how abortions can be done.

I respect your opinion - I know a lot of people have the exact same view that you do. A lot of people are not pro-abortion, but are pro-choice because they feel that every woman has a choice and no one should be able to make that decision for them. Is that what you believe? Anyways, I guess I'd like to see abortions banned all together unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy, which I know will never happen.

 

I do sit on the fence on this I have feeling for both sides . I don't think you should be forced to do something with your body . An I don't want to see a drug addict forced to have a baby that is going to have life long problems . I don't think there is enough families out there to take on all the babies that these girl/ women would be forced to have . An I am tired of seeing thing like what happened here last week where a women gave birth in a bathroom at a circus and tried to flush her very much alive full term 6 lb baby boy down a toilet . So that is why I think we need to be able to make a decision for ourself on what is right . I as a mother of 4 wonderful daughters feel like it is a life that you are taking and I myself could never do it . An being that I work in the medical field and know more about how the procedure is or can be done it make me sometimes wonder how someone could do it . But I like to think of myself as someone that want judge someone for making that decision.  If they feel like it is the right thing for them who am I to tell them they are wrong in the decision they are or have already made . I don't believe in pushing my personal view on anyone. I think we all need to be free thinkers and we are free to live our lives the way we think is best . That is why I call myself Pro Choice.

sourpatchkids

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

No flames at all. While I disagree and am pro-life, I see your reasoning and therefore no flames

My friend's roomate had an abortion this past year. She seriously went out clubbing almost every night and every week she was with a different guy. She did not use protection and wound up pregnant. She had an abortion at 6 weeks. She still goes out clubbing all the time, she still sleeps with different guys every week, and she may or may not use protection now.

I know there are millions of different scenarios for winding up in an abortion clinic. The only time I feel sorry for someone in that position is if they were raped or if the mother's life is at stake. You know, the "either the baby dies or they both die" kind of thing. Both are awful, awful situations to be in.

Other than that, if anyone is fooling around with or without protection I feel that they need to take responsibility for their actions. I do not feel that having an abortion is taking responsibility. There are plenty of couples out there who are yearning for a child.

I agree with a lot of what you said .. I don't believe you should be using abortions as if it is birth control . An I do believe there needs to be a time limit on it . Like in my state it is 15 weeks and you have to view an u/s before having it done . I just think they are putting to short of a time frame on it with the heartbeat law . I am Pro Choice only because I don't think any law should be able to force a women to carry a child .  I do think there needs to be laws in place that regulate when, where, and how abortions can be done.

I respect your opinion - I know a lot of people have the exact same view that you do. A lot of people are not pro-abortion, but are pro-choice because they feel that every woman has a choice and no one should be able to make that decision for them. Is that what you believe? Anyways, I guess I'd like to see abortions banned all together unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy, which I know will never happen.

 

I do sit on the fence on this I have feeling for both sides . I don't think you should be forced to do something with your body . An I don't want to see a drug addict forced to have a baby that is going to have life long problems . I don't think there is enough families out there to take on all the babies that these girl/ women would be forced to have . An I am tired of seeing thing like what happened here last week where a women gave birth in a bathroom at a circus and tried to flush her very much alive full term 6 lb baby boy down a toilet . So that is why I think we need to be able to make a decision for ourself on what is right . I as a mother of 4 wonderful daughters feel like it is a life that you are taking and I myself could never do it . An being that I work in the medical field and know more about how the procedure is or can be done it make me sometimes wonder how someone could do it . But I like to think of myself as someone that want judge someone for making that decision.  If they feel like it is the right thing for them who am I to tell them they are wrong in the decision they are or have already made . I don't believe in pushing my personal view on anyone. I think we all need to be free thinkers and we are free to live our lives the way we think is best . That is why I call myself Pro Choice.

YGPM

CodyGH

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

ash07a:

sourpatchkids:

I'm curious as to everyone's reasons behind this being a bad idea?

I will put my reason out there . An you can go ahead and flame .  I am pro choice . I don't think life is black and white . So I don't think that telling someone they only have 2-4 week to decide if they are going to have an abortion is enough time . You have no idea what maybe behind the reason someone is making this decision . I think the girl / women needs time to talk things over with a counselor . I think she also need to have time to think about all her options and what is going to be best for her and her life .

No flames at all. While I disagree and am pro-life, I see your reasoning and therefore no flames

My friend's roomate had an abortion this past year. She seriously went out clubbing almost every night and every week she was with a different guy. She did not use protection and wound up pregnant. She had an abortion at 6 weeks. She still goes out clubbing all the time, she still sleeps with different guys every week, and she may or may not use protection now.

I know there are millions of different scenarios for winding up in an abortion clinic. The only time I feel sorry for someone in that position is if they were raped or if the mother's life is at stake. You know, the "either the baby dies or they both die" kind of thing. Both are awful, awful situations to be in.

Other than that, if anyone is fooling around with or without protection I feel that they need to take responsibility for their actions. I do not feel that having an abortion is taking responsibility. There are plenty of couples out there who are yearning for a child.

I agree with a lot of what you said .. I don't believe you should be using abortions as if it is birth control . An I do believe there needs to be a time limit on it . Like in my state it is 15 weeks and you have to view an u/s before having it done . I just think they are putting to short of a time frame on it with the heartbeat law . I am Pro Choice only because I don't think any law should be able to force a women to carry a child .  I do think there needs to be laws in place that regulate when, where, and how abortions can be done.

I respect your opinion - I know a lot of people have the exact same view that you do. A lot of people are not pro-abortion, but are pro-choice because they feel that every woman has a choice and no one should be able to make that decision for them. Is that what you believe? Anyways, I guess I'd like to see abortions banned all together unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy, which I know will never happen.

 

I do sit on the fence on this I have feeling for both sides . I don't think you should be forced to do something with your body . An I don't want to see a drug addict forced to have a baby that is going to have life long problems . I don't think there is enough families out there to take on all the babies that these girl/ women would be forced to have . An I am tired of seeing thing like what happened here last week where a women gave birth in a bathroom at a circus and tried to flush her very much alive full term 6 lb baby boy down a toilet . So that is why I think we need to be able to make a decision for ourself on what is right . I as a mother of 4 wonderful daughters feel like it is a life that you are taking and I myself could never do it . An being that I work in the medical field and know more about how the procedure is or can be done it make me sometimes wonder how someone could do it . But I like to think of myself as someone that want judge someone for making that decision.  If they feel like it is the right thing for them who am I to tell them they are wrong in the decision they are or have already made . I don't believe in pushing my personal view on anyone. I think we all need to be free thinkers and we are free to live our lives the way we think is best . That is why I call myself Pro Choice.

Everything you just said is exactly what Pro Choice is all about.  I hate it when people think that Pro Choice people are automatically baby killers.  Pro Choice people actually support Pro Life people's option to choose life.  Well put!