I'm not trying to complain, but this is seriously ridiculous!

jessicaheath13

So, I have been having issues with DD sleeping.  Yes, I know babies shouldn't be expected to sleep through the night, but this is excessive.  I have been keeping a journal just to make sure I am not exaggerating.  Here is last night's entry

8:10pm - bedtime

9:12pm - up (wants paci, broke out of swaddle)

9:50pm - dreamfeed

11:45pm - up (paci again, broke out of swaddle)

1:00am - up (paci, reswaddle)

1:50am - up (paci, reswaddle)

2:20am - up (left her unswaddled, soothed until back asleep)

2:40am - up (reswaddled, rocked, soothed)

4:00am - feeding

4:30am - up (paci, reswaddle)

6:00am - Mommy up for work

7:00am - wake DD up for daycare

This has been going on for 3 weeks, almost 4.  I am about to lose it.  I have tried no swaddle, swaddle, teething tablets, gas drops.  Called the pedi today and their only suggestion is to prop her up while sleeping.  I seriously doubt this will help since she rarely spits up and does not have reflux problems and is perfectly fine during the day.  Also, if I do this, then it is another thing to break her from at some point.  She is already on gentlease formula, so they didn't think she needed to change formula, although they said I could try soy if I wanted to.  No flames please, only help or commiseration.  Ok vent over!

jessicaheath13

BTW - prior to the last few weeks, she STTN or only woke up for 1 feeding.

mistywhite400

if she is breaking the swaddle, then I would wait until a weekend & work on deswaddling.  That's all I have!  Sorry & I hope you get some sleep!

mistywhite400

& FWIW...Emerson went through a phase like this too!

daniellefox82@yahoo.com

No flames here... I'd go nuts! Have you been using some sort of noise while she sleeps? DS will only sleep if country music is playing. Strange, I know, but it works. He will not sleep in quiet, heart beat sounds, instrumental music, etc. He also will not sleep if we in any way break our bedtime routine. The time can change as long as the actual routine does not.

Liss_37

it's the paci hell that most of us have gotten ourselves into. your best bet is to try and ween from the nighttime paci

I'm still in the "pop the paci back in baby's mouth every hour or so" game and it really really blows.

I'm thinking next weekend we're going to have a couple long nights cause we're going to take it away while he sleeps.

MOMINFEB

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

valg927

Not flaming at all... this is how DS was for a while and it was terrible!  I cried a lot of tears in those sleepless nights.  First and foremost, we had to break the swaddle.  It wasn't as  bad as it sounds.  Took only a couple of days!  Then we eliminated any dreamfeeding and increased the bottle before bed by two ounces (gradually).  Now he gets up once in the night or... wait for it... sleeps through the night on occassion!  His mattress is proped b/c he does have reflux.  Have you tried restfull before bed?  DS is on enfamil A.R. which is the same exact thing just marketed different and cheaper so I suggest you use that if you use anything.  Good luck... PM me if you need to complain about it!  I know I did!

jarbatz

Hav you tried partially swaddled (one arm out or legs out)?  What about the miracle blanket or escape proof swaddle?  Sounds like maybe she is outgrowing the swaddle but is having a hard time getting to sleep w/o it.  My DD is in the same boat, though a lot younger than yours.

I ended up getting the FP Rock & Play sleeper (She had been sleeping in her crib) and she's been sleeping in that.  Still swaddled with her swaddleme sack.   We have also resorted to letting her sleep in the swing occassionally.

I don't know how you've been putting up with that schedule for 3 weeks!!!   Hang in there! 

jessicaheath13

mistywhite400:

if she is breaking the swaddle, then I would wait until a weekend & work on deswaddling.  That's all I have!  Sorry & I hope you get some sleep!

We tried that for 3 nights, Thurs, Fri and Sat last week and it was worse!  No sleeping for us at all because she was awake EVERY hour or more.  My mom thinks I should let her CIO, but isn't she too young for that??

jennybeams

Lose the swaddle and paci, that's my two cents.

Mrs.tlcS

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

we all do.... need to sleep?

I've never given benadryl for anything other than allergic reactions.

nv2009

Def no flames here, sorry you're going through this.  Have you tried getting rid of the swaddle and paci?  I have never used either of them, but it might help to get rid of them on a weekend.  Also, have you tried the Ferber method, or at least read the book.  It has some good advice on how to deal with sleep issues.  Good luck!

ps.  I did the CIO at 4 months, worked wonders.  It's tough, and anytime you break a habit, it can take up to a week for it to work.  Hang in there!

jessicaheath13

jarbatz:

Hav you tried partially swaddled (one arm out or legs out)?  What about the miracle blanket or escape proof swaddle?  Sounds like maybe she is outgrowing the swaddle but is having a hard time getting to sleep w/o it.  My DD is in the same boat, though a lot younger than yours.

I ended up getting the FP Rock & Play sleeper (She had been sleeping in her crib) and she's been sleeping in that.  Still swaddled with her swaddleme sack.   We have also resorted to letting her sleep in the swing occassionally.

I don't know how you've been putting up with that schedule for 3 weeks!!!   Hang in there! 

Yes, I posted last night too.  We have tried the 1 arm out and that was not working.

I guess I am just hesitant to start another thing to break her from like music/sound machine or sleeping in the swing, etc.  The pedi actually said to have her sleep in the carseat, but I'm not a fan of that idea.

Miller238

I can commiserate!  That is just about my schedule!  And has been every night for months.  The only exception is that we don't swaddle, but use a sleep positioner for her to be on her side.  If she doesn't stay on her side, she hates it and we have to get up to reposition her the way she wants.  The paci is my nightmare.  I wish she hated it.

It sounds like she definitely associates sleep with being swaddled and the paci.  If this pattern keeps up, I would try sleep training in a few weeks to start de-swaddling.  Then do it again to wean the paci.

We are going to sleep train with the Ferber method starting this weekend.  We both need sleep desperately.

lenaerickson

This weekend we might try the no swaddle thing too since it's a long weekend. We started the CIO on Monday and it's been working pretty great. Last night she was crying like she was hurt so we didn't make her wait. If you think you can handle CIO, then go ahead and start. I do 3-5 minutes of waiting period. A couple times after 2 minutes she has passed out. GL!!

jessicaheath13

Miller238:

I can commiserate!  That is just about my schedule!  And has been every night for months.  The only exception is that we don't swaddle, but use a sleep positioner for her to be on her side.  If she doesn't stay on her side, she hates it and we have to get up to reposition her the way she wants.  The paci is my nightmare.  I wish she hated it.

It sounds like she definitely associates sleep with being swaddled and the paci.  If this pattern keeps up, I would try sleep training in a few weeks to start de-swaddling.  Then do it again to wean the paci.

We are going to sleep train with the Ferber method starting this weekend.  We both need sleep desperately.

So, I'm hearing some ladies talk Ferber method.  Is she too young for that?  I so wish I wasn't a working mom because it is misery to get up for work at 6am every day.  My idea was to try and break the swaddle first, then paci.  However, 3 nights of no sleep and I gave up.  At least with the swaddle, she is sleeping a few stretches.

I'm ready to cry...seriously!

jenny1980

You might try white noise--there's no reason to wean her off that, so I wouldn't worry about that.

DD is now sleeping on her tummy (we have an angelcare monitor) since she can flip back to front and sleeps MUCH better that way.

 

mistywhite400

jessicaheath13:

mistywhite400:

if she is breaking the swaddle, then I would wait until a weekend & work on deswaddling.  That's all I have!  Sorry & I hope you get some sleep!

We tried that for 3 nights, Thurs, Fri and Sat last week and it was worse!  No sleeping for us at all because she was awake EVERY hour or more.  My mom thinks I should let her CIO, but isn't she too young for that??

You know if you've tried everything & she's not hungry then maybe letting her fuss for a few minutes is ok.  Maybe let her fuss starting at 2-3 minutes intervals & go from there.....

Also Emerson is teething & if she's sleepy & the tablets aren't helping & I can tell she's just uncomfortable I will give her some tylenol to help with the pain & she will calm down to sleep for a while.  She still wakes up once a night though. 

Also since you can only break one habit at a time...try a wubbanub (for a soothie) or a paci plushy (for regular paci) they stay in her mouth better & if you kinda prop them on there side a bit, not all the way since she's swaddled,  (just roll a receiving blanket up & put it behind them to prop her up) you can prop the animal up on the matress & it will stay in their mouth! 

jessicaheath13

Mrs.tlcS:

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

we all do.... need to sleep?

I've never given benadryl for anything other than allergic reactions.

I'm with you on this one.  I'm not giving my baby benadryl for no reason.  I hope MOMINFEB is joking.

Liss_37

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

you're kidding right?

kcisthebombdotcom

My DS had a horrible time on Gentlease. I'd switch to good start gentle. Anything from Enfamil, even the Gentlease formula, can be pretty harsh on their stomach.

Before I'd even consider CIO for a 4 month old, I'd take your pedi's recommendation and try to get something to prop under her mattress. We have a sleep wedge and I don't see how that's something else to break her from. Your 4 month old isn't learning any lifetime bad habits.

*chris-erin*

jessicaheath13:

jarbatz:

Hav you tried partially swaddled (one arm out or legs out)?  What about the miracle blanket or escape proof swaddle?  Sounds like maybe she is outgrowing the swaddle but is having a hard time getting to sleep w/o it.  My DD is in the same boat, though a lot younger than yours.

I ended up getting the FP Rock & Play sleeper (She had been sleeping in her crib) and she's been sleeping in that.  Still swaddled with her swaddleme sack.   We have also resorted to letting her sleep in the swing occassionally.

I don't know how you've been putting up with that schedule for 3 weeks!!!   Hang in there! 

Yes, I posted last night too.  We have tried the 1 arm out and that was not working.

I guess I am just hesitant to start another thing to break her from like music/sound machine or sleeping in the swing, etc.  The pedi actually said to have her sleep in the carseat, but I'm not a fan of that idea.

I'm sad to say that my DS is a car seat sleeper......i had to go back to work for 11 wks after mat leave and then i woull have 8 wks off again b/c school out.....but during those 11 wks i would have to work 10 and 13 hour days....my DS had a few nights like that and so as a last resort i tried the car seat.  the 1st night in the darn thing he only was up twice and the 2nd night was only once!!  he's been pretty good ever since......

i also bought the woombie!  google it, its the best swaddler out there and i only wish i had gotten it sooner.....

i'm almost done with work so this summer i'll be cutting cold turkey from the car seat....but i feel at that point he's learned to be a better sleeper and things will go easier.  GL!

KRIS05

I actually had myself convinced LO had an ear infection.  He woke screaming like he was in pain.  I took him to the dr yesterday and he is perfectly healthy.  For my $25 I learned, he is old enough to manipulate me already.  He learned that if he screamed, I would pick him up.  So he started screaming everytime.  Last night was our first night of CIO.  I did not want to do this but it was our last resort and the Dr said we should do it.  I feel better about it since I got him checked and he had a clean bill of health.  Wish us luck on the second night.  It is really hard!! PS. since we resorted to CIO, we are just going cold turkey on the paci also.  I refuse to do this twice!

jessicaheath13

Misery loves company, so it is somewhat comforting to know I am not alone.  I feel like I should have a vote on what to do! (If only I knew how to make a clicky poll!!

So many decisions:

paci

swaddle

formula

upright sleeping

white noise

CIO

I don't want to try too much at once, but maybe I should just try and quit paci and swaddle at the same time.  Then a modified CIO...hmmm decisions.  At least I can take Benedryl off the list. LOL

cma1989

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

Seriously? You gave her Benadryl to sleep?

littlemaybaby

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

   Please tell me this is a joke. 

OP, if Ferber is something you think you may be interested in, I highly recommend reading the book first.  (I know, just what a sleep deprived mommy needs to do . . .)  Seriously though - our schedule was like yours and some nights worse - except my child's sleep association was nursing - so I was beyond exhausted.

I read Ferber before making any decision about implementing Ferber.  It's a very informative read and we decided to give it a try - it's a lot less harsh than I believe many people mis-interpret it to be. 

GL!

SnackBot

daniellefox82@yahoo.com:

No flames here... I'd go nuts! Have you been using some sort of noise while she sleeps? DS will only sleep if country music is playing. Strange, I know, but it works. He will not sleep in quiet, heart beat sounds, instrumental music, etc. He also will not sleep if we in any way break our bedtime routine. The time can change as long as the actual routine does not.

It puts me to sleep too, so I totally get that.  

I'm with the others who said to lose the swaddle and the paci.  She's obviously outgrown the swaddle and will just keep waking herself up every time she busts out of it.  Try a sleep sack instead.  Also, it seems like the paci is doing more harm than good since it seems to wake her up every time it falls out (which it inevitably will).  I'd lose it now.  You're going to be in for a rough few weeks of sleep, but it really will get better as long as you're consistent and establish a good bedtime routine.  

FWIW, my son went through the exact same sleeping patterns at around the 4 month mark, and it was hell!  However, we got rid of the swaddle, stayed consistent with him, and put him to bed drowsy (but not asleep) and he's now a pretty good sleeper (only wakes once per night to eat).  We didn't have to resort to CIO, which I just couldn't do.  Good luck!

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littlemaybaby:

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

   Please tell me this is a joke. 

OP, if Ferber is something you think you may be interested in, I highly recommend reading the book first.  (I know, just what a sleep deprived mommy needs to do . . .)  Seriously though - our schedule was like yours and some nights worse - except my child's sleep association was nursing - so I was beyond exhausted.

I read Ferber before making any decision about implementing Ferber.  It's a very informative read and we decided to give it a try - it's a lot less harsh than I believe many people mis-interpret it to be. 

GL!

ummm... MOMINFEB- I seriously hope that  you are kidding. If you aren't... you are discusting.

Anyway, ditto Littlemaybaby on the Ferber. We have done it too and motified to what made us feel comfortable and it worked like a charm. Read the book and see what you think. It might not be for you but it might be too. Good Luck!

Shana051008

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

 

No, me and DH have never done this.  Eventually DD will fall asleep, and as soon as she does, so do mommy and daddy!

MOMINFEB

cma1989:

MOMINFEB:

Try some Benadryl. Hey, I'm just sayin'. I give DD 1/2 t. when she can't sleep for nothing but needs to (heck, we all do).

Seriously? You gave her Benadryl to sleep?

OF COURSE I'M JOKING. But it's really entertaining to watch everyone freak out. Heck, someone even called me "discusting". LMAO.

It was just a little comedy relief thrown in, everyone calm down.

Jengle77

I know I am late to the game here, but we went through that for a few weeks.  We finally said, she needs to learn to sleep on her own and just did our own thing.  We rock her for a bit, feed her and then put her in her crib as soon as she looks tired (heavy eyes, staring, etc).  She usually screams for one minutes, whimpers for 2 minutes and then passes out.  It was really hard at first, but now it is a breeze.  Also, we used a sleep sak with the arm holes sewn shut as a transition out of a swaddle.  That way she was still wrapped up but could move around a little more.  Now we still use the sleep sak with the arms out.  We have always used a sound machine...heck, my DH and I use one.  It is not the worst thing.  We lucked out because DD suddenly found her thum and no longer wants a binky.  I feel your pain, but trust me when I say, it does get better!!!