The Spanking thread that Ashley posted

KNemo

What did this woman do to her child? I cannot access the original page. It comes up with an error message.

cwhip77

It was a woman who was spanking her 2 year old for not saying "hi mommy" when she wanted him to.    Jill pasted part of the woman's original blog.  SO sick...  

"One little swat and he screamed. "No screaming" I'd say (in a very gentle way....I always spoke gently and calmly) and give him another little swat. When he'd stop I'd tell him again to say "Hi Mommy." Nope. Swat. Cry. Swat. This went on for about 30 minutes. I'd cradle him and rock him and he would be soothed, then I'd tell him again, "Say 'Hi Mommy.' " over and over.

Finally, when I was trying to decide if he would get dinner or not (I was actually thinking I would give him something else besides the pizza that everyone else was having because he is too young to go without a meal), he leaned his head on my shoulder and said, "Hi Mommy." and it was over.

All of the children cheered when I brought him out. He was exhausted, but he got a little snack and a special drink.

Now he's happily eating his dinner and saying "Hi Mommy" all I want."

KNemo

Wow. I didn't read all of the thread Ashley posted because I didn't get to read the original blog. That is why I didn't see Jill's post. That is really disgusting. I think I was probably better off not having seen this. Teach me to be curious ever again!

Seattle_JiLLn

Here's the whole thing.  Someone on FF posted it all:

A Training Session
For those of you that have felt such a need to send me these horrible comments...I am so sad for you. I am doing nothing abusive to my children. First, this is a 2 year old, not an infant.

The back scratcher to which I am referring is tiny, smaller than a pencil. It doesn't hurt at all...less than if I was flicking my finger on his leg. It just surprises him, nothing more. I would never spank him with my hand....that could hurt him.

If done properly, this type of training happens once, in his whole life. It is not a constant thing. I have taught him, softly and tenderly, that he needs to do what I say. This may save his life one day when he begins to run into the street and I yell for him to stop.
If you even read the whole post you will see that I was gentle and soft with him the whole time. I challenge you....are you ever angry with your children? By the way you have responded it is obvious that you over-react easily. Do you do this with your children? I imagine so.

That, my friends, is what abuse really is. Anger and screaming. Swearing at your children or reacting out of emotion instead of going at their tantrums with a plan. To lovingly teach them that they can't do that.

I pray that you will find peace and be open to what Scriptures teach about how to raise a child.
But more than that, I pray for you to have someone in your lives that will show you a better way to handle yourselves when you are upset. God loves each and every one of you. Christ is there for you if you will call upon Him.

This has been a long afternoon for Mommy and Baby. When I got him up from his nap I said to him (like I do every day), "Say 'Hi Mommy!' " But this afternoon, instead of his usual, "Hi Mommy!" he said nothing. He refused, I mean refused, to say it.

It occurred to me that I haven't shared with you one of my favorite child training tips for babies. Here it is:

You can make a baby do things. For example, if you say, "Pick that up" and they won't do it, you can lead them to the item, take their little hand and make them pick it up.

But there are four things you can NOT make a baby do.

1. Sleep
2. Eat/swallow
3. Poop/pee
4. Speak

In this case, Baby wouldn't say something that I told him to say. It wasn't like he just looked around and did something else. He was obviously disobeying me.

Like I said, I can't make him speak. But I can make him sit; I can make him open a book; I can make him come to me when called. But there is no way to make him speak. So what do I do? I'm glad you asked.

I make him miserable, absolutely miserable. At first I called the other children in and I said, "Say 'Hi Mommy' " and they would repeat, "Hi Mommy". Baby could see their example. He would say hi to them, but not to me. More proof that he is deliberately not obeying me.

Next I got out his favorite snack (he is in my arms this whole time....no opportunity to go anywhere else or be entertained). He reached for it. "Say Hi Mommy". Nothing. I would call in a couple of the little boys. I'd tell them to say it and when they did, I gave them a bit of the snack. Baby would reach for it and I would pull back. "Say 'Hi Mommy' ". It apparently wasn't worth it to him. OK, we'll figure out what is worth it.

I took him back into my room where he begged to see G&G's picture on the computer (this is one of his favorite things to do). "Say 'Hi Mommy' " Nope. Finally I sat him on my lap facing me and when I told him to say it he shook his head, no. So I got my teeny, tiny baby spanker. It's a little back scratcher that barely stings, but it's great for babies.

One little swat and he screamed. "No screaming" I'd say (in a very gentle way....I always spoke gently and calmly) and give him another little swat. When he'd stop I'd tell him again to say "Hi Mommy." Nope. Swat. Cry. Swat. This went on for about 30 minutes. I'd cradle him and rock him and he would be soothed, then I'd tell him again, "Say 'Hi Mommy.' " over and over.

Finally, when I was trying to decide if he would get dinner or not (I was actually thinking I would give him something else besides the pizza that everyone else was having because he is too young to go without a meal), he leaned his head on my shoulder and said, "Hi Mommy." and it was over.

All of the children cheered when I brought him out. He was exhausted, but he got a little snack and a special drink.

Now he's happily eating his dinner and saying "Hi Mommy" all I want.

The victory for me isn't that he will say "Hi Mommy", but that he understands that he has to do what I say. This is a lesson that will carry on into his future and keep him safe and secure. It will help to lead him to that greater relationship with our Lord. Obedience to Christ will come easier to him because of what we have taught him in these formative years.

Of course, I didn't get done what I had planned this afternoon. We had to order pizza because I couldn't make dinner. I had to set everything aside to do this. But I never wished for anything else. It was a great opportunity to spend these precious moments with my sweet boy.

KNemo

Um...Psycho!

zulan78

Wow - what a nut job!  Does she not want a relationship with her kids when they are all grown up and can decide what to do for themselves?  If I were them I'd run far away at 18 years of age.  Does she think she can control them for the rest of their lives?  Most parents are able to find a different way from protecting their kids in dangerous situations.  I thought she said in the beginning that you can't make your child speak.  Well, if that's the case then why is she so insistant on making him say, "Hi Mommy"?  No way is this any doing from the Lord.  These are the exact reasons why some people run away from the Lord, because of people like her. 

coribecca

One morning she's going to wake up to a house full of teenagers upon whom she can no longer force obedience. ?Then maybe she'll realize that the "I'm bigger than you" approach to parenting wasn't such a great idea after all.

KNemo

coribecca:

One morning she's going to wake up to a house full of teenagers upon whom she can no longer force obedience.  Then maybe she'll realize that the "I'm bigger than you" approach to parenting wasn't such a great idea after all.

I sincerely hope that that is the outcome and not that she raises a child who turns out to be a sociopath.

Seattle_JiLLn

I would worry that these kids would be so blindly able to follow instructions that they'll end up in a cult or something.   Or pretty easily kidnapped.  I said "come here" so they come to the crazy man in the van.

You can make children behave a certain way, but taht doesn't mean you're teaching them to know right from wrong.  Or give them the ability to make decisions on their own.  These kids are going to be a mess.

And seriously, what if one of them hits another kid?  Then what does she do?  If she hits a 2 year old for a half an hour and tells him to stop crying through all of it, just for not saying "Hi mommy!" then what happens for "real" issues?

It just sounds like an abusive husband - I'm doing this b/c you deserve it and I love you.

applecider

"It just sounds like an abusive husband - I'm doing this b/c you deserve it and I love you."

So true.  And sad and creepy!  I wonder if this poor little guy is going to be disciplining his wife in 25 years?